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To choose not to work after DC? Why?

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Marghe87 · 25/01/2019 11:27

I totally get it. Childcare costs are ridiculous, better to spend time with the family than with colleagues as those years will never come back etc... But, in the long run, aren't the risks too high?
I mean, being a SAHP means:

  • giving up one extra income that can make a big difference in a family life (ie: being able to afford a better house, family activities, travels, pay for the children's education etc... obv it is different for those with a partner that earns a big enough salary to cover all the above)
  • giving up a job/career that was build with efforts and dedication and no longer being financially independent
  • putting the future of the family at risk in case the working partner either: decides to leave you, dies, gets ill, loses his/her job etc
  • stop paying into your pension which means a very low income later in life
  • what happens when the kids are older and no longer need you at home all the time?

I don't mean to be harsh will all of the above but I am really keen to understand why a person (90% of the times a woman) feels like giving up their job is the best option for themselves and their families in the long run.

I'd like to hear from women that made different choices.

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Artfullydead · 26/01/2019 11:00

Beesknees, I am not saying whether I think this is right or wrong - I mostly tend to think people have to do what works for their own families.

However to answer your question, what children grow up with tends to be what they view as "normal", and there is a lot of sexism that we accept as the "norm." Things such as Dad driving the car, for example, and it was the same for me growing up. We used to sometimes drive to Wales on holiday and my dad worked in Warrington in those days so Mum would drive me and my sister to dad's workplace then they'd swap and Dad would drive. Why? Grin Dunno, but that sort of shit gets ingrained.

Now, while there are SAHDs and I'm sure half of Mumsnet will now descend on me to say their partner is a SAHD, the majority of non-working parents are women, they are SAHMs or they work part time, which means they inevitably take on the lion's share of the housework, childcare and things like school pickups and attending school plays and so on. So for young children, the idea is that we are defining gender roles. Dad goes out to work, Mum stays at home. That can be damaging. Parenting is two roles: caring and providing. It shouldn't fall entirely on one parent to do one role. It should be a combined effort.

Now there are households where people say and it's a fair enough point, one parent earns so much and all "she" could get is a minimum wage job and why put the family through that stress? Well, yeah. Problem is, and funnily enough I've just been having this conversation with my Year 10s, who are studying An Inspector Calls and we are talking about Gerald's relationship with Eva/Daisy, if you know the play. I don't personally think a relationship that is so unequal to have one partner able to earn considerable amounts and one only minimum wage is healthy. If that was me, I don't know really. Just that presumably if you can only get minimum wage and so perhaps levels of education aren't great and blah blah ... I am probably wandering too far into idle speculation but as far as possible relationships should be a meeting of two equals, not one where one is significantly financially inferior.

Moving onto the next point, I don't think it's a depressing notion but a pragmatic and sensible one. It's by no means a unique situation that a woman gives up work on having her first child, there may be a vague plan to go back to work when youngest is at school but by that time comes round it's been ten years out of work and things have moved on and anyway everyone is used to her being at home and she has a life based around that expectation and friends and a social circle and before you know it two and a half decades have gone by, the kids are 25, 22 and 20, and she's in her middle fifties and he fucks off with plans to sell the house, yes she gets half but it isn't enough to buy another place outright, so once that lump sum (which she wanted to spend on her children's weddings, house deposits and the like) is spent, she's forced to work for minimum wage and live a life of poverty.

Poverty is shit no matter whenever or wherever but honestly, doing a minimum wage type retail/care/cleaning job in your mid fifties is perhaps the shittest after a life of relative comfort and free of stress. The real shitter is that if you grit your teeth and stay in work, you can actually wind down at this point.

RomanyRoots · 26/01/2019 11:03

I'm a sahm for 30 years and none of your negative points apply to me.
It's just luck and good management, but I have no regrets and will be starting work soon, to address one of your points, about when kids are older, leaving home etc.

0x00 · 26/01/2019 11:06

Just that presumably if you can only get minimum wage and so perhaps levels of education aren't great and blah bla

I have a BSc in the exact same subject from the exact same university one classification lower than my husband but his initial choices after uni long before either of us was thinking about marriage or kids skyrocketed him into a great career while I could probably only manage minimum wage.

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0x00 · 26/01/2019 11:07

And I don’t feel at all inferior to my husband just because he made “better” career oriented decisions. Why should I? Is that the measure of a person? I sure don’t think so.

Artfullydead · 26/01/2019 11:12

No, it isn't. At the same time, what went wrong? Why did his career skyrocket while you could only do minimum wage? That's an enormous discrepancy.

0x00 · 26/01/2019 11:20

No, it isn't. At the same time, what went wrong? Why did his career skyrocket while you could only do minimum wage? That's an enormous discrepancy.

Because he got a stable job with a large tech company which prioritises training and provides lots of contacts and I got a crappy short term contract with a small business with less than 10 employees and then flitted from half-project to half-project (none lucrative) before husband's work travel and my pregnancy and then kids gave me a good excuse to stop trying.

Youngandfree · 26/01/2019 11:22

I stayed at home for over 5 yrs, one reason was because we could afford to (no tax credits involved whatsoever before anyone claims the state was paying!) another was because my husband works away A LOT so it wasn’t conducive for me to go back to work and try it juggle it all unnecessarily. Also I was/and still am a teacher so after 5 years I have literally just walked back into a job (so no harm done to my career). To be honest I actually sent my DD to nursery 2 mornings a week when I was a sahm, I wanted her to have some social time without me and I needed down time/me time.

Passthepigs · 26/01/2019 11:22

I live fairly rurally, no childminder for miles or after school care. For my children to attend the village school I can’t work as it is 9am until 3:30pm and finding working within these hours is difficult.

Artfullydead · 26/01/2019 11:22

Well that's exactly it isn't it - it's the "good excuse" part.

I'm not having a go: as I've said, people have to do what's right for their families. But if you have daughters, what sort of a message is that? Go to university, get a degree but then it's OK to dick about if you have kids as your husband will provide?

I know that's reading it in the harshest possible light and I'm sorry - but that is the message.

What if you hadn't been married or with a partner?

Passthepigs · 26/01/2019 11:27

OK to dick about if you have kids as your husband will provide?

Why is this not ok if it is what the woman wants?

I’ve got a degree in equal status to my husbands. I choose to stay home while he works. I count myself as lucky, not penalised for being a woman! Not everyone wants a high flying career and women or men who stay at home should not be considered as lesser soles for doing so!

0x00 · 26/01/2019 11:28

What if you hadn't been married or with a partner?

Probably still be living with my parents and trying to convince my dad to let me work in his business tbh.

But if you have daughters, what sort of a message is that? Go to university, get a degree but then it's OK to dick about if you have kids as your husband will provide?

Its fine to dick about whatever your gender if you can find a way to make it work. Children need minding by someone, some of the greatest artists and composers went unrecognised in their own time, it's a perfectly legitimate way to live your life doing it. It's perfectly legitimate to work on your own stupid unprofitable projects as long as someone is willing to back you, perfectly legitimate to look after your own kids. That's the great thing about life, there's not just one path and many great and beautiful things came out of surprising people and places.

needsahouseboy · 26/01/2019 11:31

I went back to work and did not stay at home like my ex wanted me to.

I went back to work because no way was I giving up my career, I want a decent ish pension when I’m older, no way was I making myself vulnerable financially either.

My ex left when my son was 2 and because i kept my job I was able to keep my house, because I stayed in my job I have managed to maintain a relatively lovely life doing lots of nice things with my DS.

When my son was born I was a band 5 nurse I now a 7. I’m not starting at the bottom and have maintained my career path. This means that when my son leaves home I’ll have a decent job, career and pension and not be struggling to find work after being out of the job loop for years.

Artfullydead · 26/01/2019 11:32

Why is this not OK if it is want the woman wants

Because reliance on another is generally speaking not a great thing. And it is reinforcing stereotypes.

That is to say, you may choose to do it anyway, but let's not pretend the system of "Man works full time, woman doesn't work" isn't damaging. Likewise, man working full time and woman working part time, earning significantly less is also damaging.

0x, so whichever route you saw your life going, you saw yourself being dependent on a male despite having a good degree?

0x00 · 26/01/2019 11:35

Like literally, we get what 80 years, first 18 are a bit of a write off (although some people manage to put them to good use). Last 10 are probably marred with disability, maybe more. So 50 odd good years. A year goes by so fast. You have to live your own life, not live up to other peoples expectations. It will be gone in the blink of an eye. If I look back on my life from my deathbed and I say "hey I did great in the corporate rat race" and that's the best I've got I am going to feel like crap tbh.

MyBreadIsEggy · 26/01/2019 11:35

My career was put to a premature end due to serious injury before we had DCs.
I hadn’t worked out what my next career move would have been. I worked in pubs and restaurants for a while for a bit of extra cash.

We had 2 DCs close together and are now expecting DC3.
The cost of childcare would be more than my salary working in a pub, and would need to be topped up with some of DHs salary.
I couldn’t justify leaving my 2 toddlers in full time childcare so I could go to work, only to hand over my entire salary at the end of it. We’d be worse off financially.
It makes more sense for me to be a SAHM until all 3 kids are in full time school, then I can work part time.
But even that will prove difficult - DH is in the military and we move around a lot. Most military spouses find it difficult to find and hold down a job because employers are reluctant to take on someone who is seen as unreliable. DH can be told to pack his bags and bigger off for months at a time with no prior warning - not exactly convenient when it comes to me holding down a job.

0x00 · 26/01/2019 11:36

0x, so whichever route you saw your life going, you saw yourself being dependent on a male despite having a good degree?

Well by the time I was in my 20s yes. Prior to that I had a fantasy I would own my own (illegal) drug manufacturing ring and run it from my private island staffed by goons who would kill anyone who got close. So ya know, probably better that things went the way they did really :P

Passthepigs · 26/01/2019 11:38

Artfullydead

It is only a problem if someone is forced into the situation. It is a discredit to womens intelligence if you are suggesting that they are somehow being hoodwinked into these decisions because of stereotypes.

I am not reliant on my husband as I have rights to our “family” money. We weighed up what was best for our family it makes more sense for him to work as he enjoys it and I enjoy being at home.

I have a degree and teaching qualification and so could walk into a supply teaching job tomorrow if needed. At the minute I am actually working but go on maternity leave in the next few weeks with DS2 and won’t be returning.

Artfullydead · 26/01/2019 11:38

It looks like you were pretty determined to arse things up for yourself, 0x, being totally frank here, sorry.

I don't know. It's OK, presumably, for someone to work for fifty odd years providing they have a penis, though?

0x00 · 26/01/2019 11:40

It looks like you were pretty determined to arse things up for yourself, 0x, being totally frank here, sorry.

You say "arse things up" but I have an awesome life that is going great so it all worked out as far as I can tell.

I don't know. It's OK, presumably, for someone to work for fifty odd years providing they have a penis, though?

Is it ok? It's a necessity maybe, if they are lucky one they can make the best of, if they can't find any other way, but its not something to aspire to in and of itself.

Parker231 · 26/01/2019 11:42

Why in the majority of cases where the family decide for one parent to stay at home, is it usually the mother? I get that in these circumstances the higher earner needs to be the one at work but why is that usually the father? Something is wrong if at the time you start a family, men are out earning women . Girls and boys have the same opportunities at school, college and Uni.

Winnie2019 · 26/01/2019 11:44

I gave up my job after having children. The cost of childcare meant that financially we were in the same position whether I worked or not. If I worked I would have more stress with no family nearby to help ease the burden. It was tough managing on one salary and we struggled although as I said before financially we wouldn't have been any better off had I worked.

I returned to the work place part time when my youngest was in reception. I took a full time job when my youngest was in year 2 and by the time he was in year 4 I was earning considerably more than I did pre children in a more senior role. Dh works more flexibly than me so he picks up the majority of childcare/housework.

I don't regret my choices. Everyone should have the freedom to do what is right for them and their family. Raising a family is bloody hard and financially draining so it's important that people take all factors into account when making decisions and are not swayed by other people who are not living their life.

Artfullydead · 26/01/2019 11:46

It's called sexism parker

Yes 0x I do believe you (and I'm not being sarcastic) - it just depresses me, tbh.

Ylvamoon · 26/01/2019 11:47

There are plenty of studies / evidence that the first 3-5 years in a child's life is very important in terms of development. They need their parents around.
There are plenty of woman that stay at home / work reduced hours during this time. They also seen to be able to rekindle their career and remain the working world.
Not sure what exactly you need to know that is not already out there!

0x00 · 26/01/2019 11:52

Artfully it depresses you that people can live happy lives, without anyone else feeling put upon for it (my husband appreciates what I do with the kids, who are thriving, and is supportive of my private projects which he see as of value in themselves), because they don't live up to your ideals of virtue and so ought to be suffering? Or have I missed something?

Artfullydead · 26/01/2019 11:55

It depresses me that your education was a waste and it depresses me that so many women still see reliance on a man rather than work/education as a route out of poverty. That isn't a personal judgement on you but a general sense of "what's the point."

(Increasingly, I think perhaps you're right and I'm wrong: who knows! Perhaps I should have just focused on finding a man who was going to earn a decent amount when I was still attractive enough to get one Grin)