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mother left her children sleeping in the car and went shopping....one of them woke up....

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ruddynorah · 10/06/2007 17:53

i work at a huge out of town m&s with an enormous car park. this woman left her small baby and her 3 year old daughter asleep in the car. she locked the doors and left the windows slightly open (it was very very hot) and went into the store to do some food shopping.

while she was shopping, the 3 year old woke up, unlocked the car door, got out and started wandering around the car park. so there she is, bare feet, half asleep, dummy in her mouth, looking for her mummy... when another customer saw her and brought her into the store for us to look after and find her mum.

the 3 year old tells me her baby sister is still asleep in the car. so we did a tannoy for her mum (at that point not sure if she actually was in our store or the asda next door, or the boots...or that the girl had given us the correct name) and the security guard went into the car park to look for this car with the door possibly wide open and a baby asleep in it( or maybe awake by then).

so i'm standing there with this 3 year old feeling slightly shaky at how awful the whole thing is, when the mother turns up with the security guard. she's gone to her car with the shopping to find her 3 year old missing. the security guard found her shouting for her daughter. she's apparently mildly concerned, but not terribly. she sees the look on my face and says... 'i know what you're thinking and it's not like that actually, i only left them for 5 minutes to get a few bits so don't look at me like that, how was i to know she could unlock the car?!' and off they went

i'm not quite sure how i was looking at her, my head was just racing with...what if someone had run this tiny child over, or what if she'd wandered off and no one stopped her...or what if someone reached in and opened the car door and took her... silly, silly woman. doubt she'll do it again.

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maisemor · 12/06/2007 12:59

I like to see myself as healthy paranoid though MMG . We still go camping, we still play outside, we still drive, we still go swimming, we still go out to restaurants (no longer posh ones though), but we do it together as a family, unless the grandparents graciously agrees to babysit (whispers ).

ViciousSquirrelSpotter · 12/06/2007 13:01

LOL at watching CSI

My mum always asks me if I haven't watched Crimewatch every time I want to do something normal, like go out. And whenever she comes round, she goes through the local paper to see who has been mugged, murdered or otherwise outraged. Then she draws my attention to it to prove that the world is a terrible place.

It can be quite wearing.

barney2 · 12/06/2007 13:04

Oh for God's sake...I was asked if the fuel pump incident had actually happened so I answered it 'yes it had'....for christ's sake you lot are making me out to be the paranoid one!!

All I can say is I am a responsible Mother of two young children. My kids have not and will never be placed in a situation whereby they are in danger, by myself. I couldn't give a damn what others do with their kids. I am here to safeguard my children and I will go to the ends of the earth to ensure they are safe. I do not wrap my kids up in cotton wool BUT no matter what no-one should leave their kids in cars locked up.

You can continue making out as though I'm one helluva paranoid, depressed, desperate sounding Mother, which I am not, I simply think it is completely 100% wrong to leave a child in a car, especially locked up, with its parents out of sight. End of.

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RubyRioja · 12/06/2007 13:17

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Elibean · 12/06/2007 13:24

RR,

adath · 12/06/2007 13:28

Sorry barney but I am not sure how you can say your children have never and will never be put in danger.
You I am sure have electricity in your home, gas, you appear to drive, do you take them swimming, do you cross roads with them, Do you send them to school everyday???
All these things pose dangers and paying in a petrol station while leaving your children in the car IMO is not really much if anymore dangerous. I am basing my risk assesment on the likelyhood of anything happening like the place exploding and being in the kiosk wouldn't be anymore help I don't think. I am not doubting that yes petrol stations have blown up but it does happen far less often than acciddents on the forecourt.

RubyRioja I know of quite a few childminders who do things like this sadly enough, I do know many good childminders but too many that do leave their mindees in the car and some of them wouldn't do it with their own children which makes that so much worse

bookwormmum · 12/06/2007 13:30

I'd hope that a CM I was paying would not leave my child unattended in a car whilst she shopped - after I could do that for free, myself . What about those parents who let their toddlers run off in the supermarket? They're in as much danger of being snatched as the ones in the cars IMHO. There was a little girl raped in a supermarket toilet once when she popped in there whilst her mum paid. Imagine how that mother must have felt .

MerryMarigold · 12/06/2007 13:34

Barney 2, you must expect some reaction when you call everyone who has a different approach to childcare, irresponsible.

"I find it completely shocking that parents do leave their children in the car and in some cases a locked car whilst they are paying for shopping/fuel etc etc."

I, and others, were pointing out that paying for fuel whilst child is in car is actually quite reasonable compared to all the other risks we take when leaving the house.

oliveoil · 12/06/2007 13:35

DEJA VUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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MerryMarigold · 12/06/2007 13:37

sorry, olive, wasn't involved in this discussion previously! beauty of mumsnet - you can always relive it when you've missed it

oliveoil · 12/06/2007 13:38

Oh it goes round and round and round

Poster 1: well I wouldn't leave them
Poster 2: well I would
1: you are crap
2: no you are
1: crap
2: crapper
Voice of reason poster: now now, we all do things differently
Everyone: oh fock off

repeat

bookwormmum · 12/06/2007 13:40
Grin
VeniVidiVickiQV · 12/06/2007 13:40

Oh Olive, you are sounding like a broken record....

3littlefrogs · 12/06/2007 13:41

I was walking with my sister past a local newsagents when we were about 10/12. I suddenly saw a car rolling across the road towards us with a screaming child in the back. - he was about 3. My sister, who was older than me and quicker, managed to get her hand in through the open window and steer the car back towards the pavement as the driver (presumably the dad) came hurtling out of the shop, opened the passenger door and grabbed the handbrake. Luckily this was 40 years ago in a small village - but I bet that man never forgot it.

handlemecarefully · 12/06/2007 13:44

Barney - that last time in the 1970's? lol, I'll take my chances!

MerryMarigold · 12/06/2007 13:48

olive, hope i am the voice of reason rather than the 'crapper'. i'm not sure, though.

Cammelia · 12/06/2007 13:49

It is illegal to leave children at home or in a car while you go shopping though.

oliveoil · 12/06/2007 13:49

oh I don't know, I haven't read the thread (!), I just see 300 posts and throw a ___ line in there

UCM · 12/06/2007 13:49

I can't believe I typed the c word. I really don't remember doing that. Actually that post was rather well written so I am thinking that I didn't....or did I....I was ever so pished..errm....fuck knows

themoon66 · 12/06/2007 13:55

I don't understand how it is possible to lock anyone in a car. Surely they just pull the handle on the inside and it opens?? My car does anyway. If it's locked with a key from outside it automatically sets the alarm too, so the slightest movement inside the car sets the alarm wailing.

bookwormmum · 12/06/2007 13:56

I found something akin to a forecourt explosion - it was 9 years ago though .

Here news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/216080.stm

Cammelia · 12/06/2007 13:58

themoon66, childlocks don't allow the car to be opened from the inside

themoon66 · 12/06/2007 13:59

Cammelia - but if the car is locked from the outside, what about the alarm? All very odd.

MerryMarigold · 12/06/2007 14:01

our car has childlocks but no alarm

ViciousSquirrelSpotter · 12/06/2007 14:02

No Cammelia, it is not.

It may be illegal to leave a child alone if s/he comes to harm as a result of being left alone. That would be decided by the CPS. I'm not sure what age that goes up to though. I can't imagine it would go beyond about 11, because lots of secondary school age children go to school on their own, and I've never heard of a parent being prosecuted because a child got run over on the way to school for example. (Although maybe it's happened, someone may know.) And it would be illogical if you could be prosecuted as a result of a child coming to harm from being left alone at home, but not for coming to harm as a result of being allowed to go to school on their own. (Although I guess someone's going to point out that lack of logic has never been a stumbling block where law is concerned.)