madeleine mccann was not abducted because she was left in a hotel room

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ok, i'm probably going to regret this - but i am dismayed to see the same old arguments coming up again and again about whether the mccann's were irresponsible to leave their children unsupervised in a hotel room.
it seems to be the same people posting too.
if they had taken her with them she could have still been abducted while running around while they were having their meal. i doubt they could have watched a 3yr old every second and she could have been snatched while out of sight, as happened to jamie bulger.

the person responsible is the one who abducted her, and if, sadly, it is anything to do with paedophilia, then all those people who support the industry in child porn by watching and paying for the stuff also bear some responsibility.

www.forsarah.com/html/sarahslaw.html perhaps we could all be doing something to try and stop it.

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Well f**k me.
Welcome back to mumsnet. Remind me not to bother posting again

Oh it's two ts in boycott.

BW, I don't think that was directed at you.

It wasn't directed to anyone, just the whole thread.

Where's Blu? She's meant to stop me posting on these things

oh bogwobbit they are not directed at you - there is a whole resentment re: these threads that you summed up quite nicely. there is a boycott thread going on and this is far from typical.

Must commend WB on the "cunty cunt"

I hope not - I am easily hurt after all
I haven't posted on mumsnet for ages but after reading some of the pish that's been written about the Madeleine McCann case I couldn't help myself.
Obviously a big mistake.

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I wish I'd never looked at this thread, that I'd ignored it as I did the others, but I stupidly got dragged into it.

With hindsight what the parents did was foolish and possibly irresponsible. However many people do this sort of thing without any consequence (not that I;m saying that makes it OK) - its another one of those it always happens to other people situations.

I have said all along that I wouldn;t have felt comfotable doing it, but none of us is perfect, I'm sure that we have all done at least one thing that when we look back we think thank god nothing serious happened when I ....... People make bad decisons throughout their life - most of the time we;re lucky and nothing bad happens.

As to who is to blame for the abduction of Maddy - that is the person or persons who abducted her not her parents. Unless they had a huge sign on the apartment saying please come take our little girl. As I said previously if your house is burgled it is the burglers fault - even if you left your door unlocked it is not your fault. This I feel is an important distinction.

What has really pissed me off about this thread is all the people slagging off the McCanns for what they did and what they plan to do in the future for trying to find Maddy - like they wouldn't do everything in their power to find their missing child. And as for those saying that either parents had anything to do with it is highly distasteful.

And if people are so concerned with all the other missing children, how come they've never mentioned it before. By keeping Maddy's name in the public eye they are also highlighting other missing children and hopefully they too will be found.

I hope that the McCanns found strength in their meeting with the Pope today. I am personally not a religeous person so it would mean nothing to me, however it helped them and has given the case high profile throughout the world.

As for me, I think I'm going to have to ignore any future Maddy threads, though I know that I will keep coming back to this one as I have contributed now.

Sorry for the long post.

Don't get upset BW or Aim

For some reason the McCann case or any of the associated issues it raises (paedophilia, child protection etc) cannot be debated on Mumsnet without people becoming illogical, unreasonable and personal. I think it's the nature of the forum - we are all parents and it is every parent's worst nightmare etc.

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Don't take it to heart - you are quite right about it being a half-taboo subject - it's just the way it is - and do forget about all that stuff about the papers. What silliness!

Anyhow there was an unintentional irony in the comment "More like it's ill educated cousin.... The Sunday Sport."

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yep ok totally regret it, you were right expat, such vitriol and abuse. Not coming back to this topic, not going to read them, not worth it.. Going to do something nice with fam to take my mind off this shite

She was abducted because she was left (as she had been seen to be for a few nights?) in an unlocked hotel room without (as far as I'm aware) a baby monitor.

I would have been more worried about one of mine wandering and ending up dead in the pool, TBH.

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What? About the pool? Or the pattern of unlocked and no monitor?

I really would have worried about one of mine ending up in the pool.

Would you all seriously go and have an audience with the Pope with twin toddlers in tow? Surely you can imagine the scene. The Pope looking more and more strained as the McCanns try to stop them running all over the Vatican. I can imagine meeting the Pope is a hugely emotional and dramatic moment for them. It would be really hard to do that and then have the emotional reserves and the levity needed to look after toddlers.

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Neither here nor there now, IMO.

If the twins had gone (and stayed at The Vatican with a relative during the mass) they'd have been accused of touting them around the media circus.

Still wouldn't have liked the look of a (presumambly unrailed and unguarded) pool, though.

Spot on, Aimsmum on Wed 30-May-07 19:32:02, FWIW.

Off to go slag an individual poster off for choosing to formula feed, have a csection, work full-time outside the home, etc.

I must read the wrong papers or watch the wrong news as I've never heard that the room was left unlocked before, in fact quite the opposite, that why they thought someone had broken in through the shutters.

As I've said before hindsight is a wonderful thing and if you can say you;ve never done anything that you look back on and think 'what was I thinking?' then good for you.

I think the 'broken in through the shutters' thing was discounted very quickly, IIRC.

As I say. The pool. I have boys (maybe girls are different?) but I could easily see a three year old boy of mine waking up and going on a wander to the pool that he'd been in earlier.