madeleine mccann was not abducted because she was left in a hotel room

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ok, i'm probably going to regret this - but i am dismayed to see the same old arguments coming up again and again about whether the mccann's were irresponsible to leave their children unsupervised in a hotel room.
it seems to be the same people posting too.
if they had taken her with them she could have still been abducted while running around while they were having their meal. i doubt they could have watched a 3yr old every second and she could have been snatched while out of sight, as happened to jamie bulger.

the person responsible is the one who abducted her, and if, sadly, it is anything to do with paedophilia, then all those people who support the industry in child porn by watching and paying for the stuff also bear some responsibility.

www.forsarah.com/html/sarahslaw.html perhaps we could all be doing something to try and stop it.

Maybe they say that because, well, they just wouldn't do something.

I think you find what you go looking for.

If you go around looking for snobbiness in what everyone says, then yeah, it's likely you'll take a lot of things personally and to heart.

I guess I've always just taken a lot of things with a grain of salt because I have now lived more years than not as a foreigner.

When someone says they wouldn't do something I think they mean they wouldn't do it. They might think they were right but I'd need more evidence than that before I'd start worrying if my opinion was different.

I think the McCann's were incredibly negligent. They're paying the price for it now, I don't dispute that, but it doesn't make what they did any less wrong.

I'm horrified by the posters on these boards who say they have left their similar aged children in similar circumstances (mothers leaving babies in cots while they pick up older children from school, etc). If I knew about someone doing that in real life, I would report them to social services. I own a nursery and I'd be expected to.

I'm also inclined to think that it is more plausible that this child wandered off and came to some harm (got lost or trapped somewhere). No one on these boards will discuss this. Why not?

just caught up with this thread - have just finished work.

i'm sorry for starting this, to all the people who have had enough of this being discussed.

i impulsively started this thread because i was fed up with seeing the same old stuff about how madeleine shouldn't have been left come up again and again.

also, i'll try and find up to date info about sarah's law. i just did a search in a hurry this morning because i was trying to think of something constructive that might help to change things. after all, there are loads of bad things going on in the world and when people try and do something about it, it can make a huge difference. for example, amnesty international must have helped loads of people.

i used to live in spain when i was in my twenties and held barbecue parties and dinners which would go on late into the night. there would always be children running about and playing, and it was noisy and tbh, if someone had tried to abduct one of the children i think they could have done it. i thought it might be a similar situation where the mccanns were.

please excuse poor grammar but i'm very tired and am off to watch big brother.

oh, and can someone tell me what's wrong with sarah's law. i haven't read up on it properly yet.

Actually, I personally can accept that I do things differently to other poeple without viewing their way as wrong.

I accept other good and loving parents may have differnt priorities, differing world views, core beliefs, standards on many issues, personal deep fears and neuroses.

I accept I am not perfect, and I accept that others are not perfect.

I accept others make their own risk assessments regarding their own children in each situation.

I can say 'I wouldn't xyz' and still accept that it is not wrong to do xyz.

I make it an aim not to judge others, particuarly on thier parenting, unless absolutely necessary.

I also endeavor to not cause further hurt whereever possible to those for whom has life has descened into nightmare realms.

I also endeavor to presume the best of people until proved otherwise.

I therefoer presume the Mccanns are loving and devoted parents, I feel sick at the thought of them being caused further upset and I baulk at the judgements made on their parenting.

Well I'm so pleased to hear how perfect everyone is that they have never ever done anything where something could have happened to their children whether irresponsible or just a bit foolish.

It must be so nice to be able to have a go at someone when they are down, cos you know they are going to get over this so easily even if Maddy is found alive and well. They will have to live with what has happened forever. No-one disputes that their decision was wrong but why do you have to keep going on and on and on.

If they beat and abused their daughter than yes hang them out to dry, they made one fucking mistake and will have to live with that.

I think you should be ashamed of yourselves with your look at me I'm so bloody perfect attitude.

well said outraged

Actually I find it really disgusting that the McCann's decision not to take their twins to see the pope is now being presented as further evidence of their bad parenting.

You may or may not agree with their original decision to leave their children alone. But the "oh look now they're taking every opportunity they can to abandon their twins" is the most vicious, unkind thing to imply and whoever is doing that (I can't remember your name you're a namechanger, surprise surprise) you should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

But I don't expect you are. [disgust]

It doesn't matter whether you would or wouldn't have done it.

The McCanns did do it.

Their little girl is now missing.

This "would you wouldn't you, I would, I wouldn't, ooh, that's wrong, that's right, look at them at the Vatican, where are their twins, the dad hasn't cried enough, do you think it was him, imminy jobbie" stuff is like a flock of vultures and utterly distasteful.

And that's NOT a class thing or a colour thing talking.

I would feel exactly the same if you lot were saying the same thing about anybody.

But do, please, feel free to equate this with bottlefeeding. It's Exactly The Same, clearly.

This still going on then?

How sad and bored some people must be to class themselves an authoritarian on childrearing and criminal psychology due to their extensive research on Trisha and This Morning.

(I did forensic science at university, Rhubarb )

(I did criminal law and an NHS how to bathe your newborn baby course)

Aha - you don't deny This Morning though do you?

I actually did do forensic science (and I watch Trisha occasionally and I lurve This Morning and I've been to a Big Brother eviction and will go again given half a chance ).

Wow hunker you're really interesting

(that sounds a bit sarcastic, it's really not)

I wish i could see a picture of you, and your house and a copy of your cv.

I am amongst commoners! Aargh!

You went to a BB eviction??

Ooooh, which one??

Did you boo? I ahte it when they boo.

Unless I really hate the person and then i want to be there booing!!

I ahve principles you know.

I hate the booing too. I can't watch it when they boo. Even if i hate the person, i worry about how scared and sad they must feel.

Surely you don't watch trisha though?

I though better of you HUnker.

Atually at various times I've thought better and worse of yu, sometimes I bloody love you and othetr times I am Outraged by you. Do you have that effect on everyone??

But what if you really hate then Boco?

Like when Grace got evicted. Suerlt it's Ok then??

No i hated it. She was unpleasant, and deserved to be ignored, but the whole public display of hatred is so nasty and ...medieval. Would have been better if people had clapped politely but a little coldly.

hmmn, i thought grace was ok.

i have read a teeny bit now about megan's law here www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/PolicyAndPublicAffairs/home_asp_ifega23623.html there is some info also on child trafficking and nspcc campaigns generally