madeleine mccann was not abducted because she was left in a hotel room

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ok, i'm probably going to regret this - but i am dismayed to see the same old arguments coming up again and again about whether the mccann's were irresponsible to leave their children unsupervised in a hotel room.
it seems to be the same people posting too.
if they had taken her with them she could have still been abducted while running around while they were having their meal. i doubt they could have watched a 3yr old every second and she could have been snatched while out of sight, as happened to jamie bulger.

the person responsible is the one who abducted her, and if, sadly, it is anything to do with paedophilia, then all those people who support the industry in child porn by watching and paying for the stuff also bear some responsibility.

www.forsarah.com/html/sarahslaw.html perhaps we could all be doing something to try and stop it.

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both my mum and MIL have said that they think that Gerry Mccann had something to do with her disappearance.

I don't know, but I honestly cannot put hand on heart and say that I would be surprised if that turned out to be the case.

I saw one of the detectives who'd worked on the Soham case on a Sky News report who said that "Madeleine's trail went cold at the MW supermarket" (they used sniffer dogs) and he firmly believed she'd got up and wandered out of the apartment, because the doors were unlocked, rather than been taken from her bed. Has this been dismissed now?

I cannot imagine the pain her parents are in atm - and for all those people who scorn the publicity they're seeking for the search and seem to think they shouldn't be doing it because there are other children who've gone missing - why shouldn't they do everything in their power to look for their own daughter?

And as for not taking the twins with them - I can understand that too. Far better that they have people around them who can maintain normality for them (and yes, they're on holiday, but for a 2yo, every day's a holiday, no?!) - by normality I mean regular meals, happy faces and fun and games - than parents who are clearly broken.

Sorry Aimsmum I disagree. imho a determined abducter would find a strategy to suit the scenario and while taking a child in an open space may be more risky they have techniques to lure them away with minimal fuss or a perfectly plausible reason if it should go wrong. When we hear of a disappearance we have this picture in our minds of physical force, struggle , hands over mouth etc but in many instances that may not be the case - think of how apparently the Soham girls went in voluntarily, James Bulger wasn't screaming as he was led off from his mother -a child's natural innocent curiosity may make them all the more vulnerable .

BRU, that's a pretty abhorrent thing to say, really.

What on earth would his motivation have been for that?!

Actually, don't answer that.

dear god,

Please spare the Gerry McCann from this spiteful speculation until there is at least a tiny shred of evidence against him.

Amen.

Bugiesrus. Im sorry- I really dont think that Gerry McCan has anything to do with it.

agree with Blonde (also about the possibility that we may regret this later but we are all entitled to an opinion)

Madeleine may have been targeted but she would not have been taken if her parents didn't leave her along with two other infants on their own, out of sight in an unsecure room. No, you cannot possibly keep an eye on your dc's every single second but you TRY. These comparisons to dc's running out on the road are far from reasonable - you may be distracted for a moment and something awful happens but you don't PUT your children IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD!!!! Abduction I concede may not be the first thing you would consider to be a danger but what about fire, the dc's waking to find they are alone and wandering off on their own (which may have been the case with Madeleine)
I'm nowhere near being in the same class as the McCann's and I would be shot at dawn if I left my dd (6yo) in the house and went to my local (from which you can still see my house) not that I'd do it anyway.

I have emailed the poster of Madeleine and been part of the virtual effort to find her as I feel it's imperative she is not forgotten however I'm mindful of the fact that many other children are missing and I feel heartbroken for their faceless parents who cannot afford the same massive search or even pubicity for their missing children.

I wouldn't wish this situation on anyone but just because the McCann's are going through this awful ordeal does not excuse them of the utter neglect in the first place.

You put dope in front of a junkie, though, LIZS, and they'll take it.

Totally agree with Hunker about all the publicity they're getting. As someone said on a programme today, it should go on and on till she's found as it sends out a message that we are not just going to forget about little kids that go missing.
As for all these people who say they feel for others who are missing and their families, i do cynically wonder if they are doing anything about that or just bored of hearing about this one!
I'm sure if God forbid any of us were in the same position we'd go out of our way to keep their face in the news.

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why are people now pointing the finger at Gerry McCann?

shit stirrers

Those judging them for leaving the children in the apartment - do you think they'll ever forgive themselves? I don't.

Do you think that the torturous "what if" they're turning over and over in their heads every second of the day (and most of the night, no doubt) will ever go away?

I don't understand why people feel the need to bang on about it.

I really, really don't.

WHY is it 'judging' or smug or holier-than-thou to express the opinion that leaving small children alone unsupervised whilst you go out of the building and away from it, though?

Why is THAT judging but other stuff on MN - like saying it's not right to bottlefeed by choice - permitted? Because I have seen that happen time and again.

I mean, FFS, we've had threads where people come out and say jars of baby food are poisonous.

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And for those of you judging them for seeking publicity for the search, I would be doing everything they've done and more if it had been DS1 or DS2 who'd gone missing.

There is NO doubt about that.

I blinked back tears the other day when I fetched DS1's bear (his favourite, much-loved, well-worn bear) from the hallway to give to him - Madeleine doesn't have her favourite cuddly toy with her and it's just too unbearable for words that that's what Kate McCann's carrying round with her.

But go on, keep judging away and sniping at Gerry McCann and kinda enjoying the sanctimony.

Because that helps everyone, doesn't it?

unbleievable isn't it NP. I presume he has not looked emotional enough for them. If anyone implied that I had something to do wiht my childs disappearance wihtout bloody good reason, I'd deck them.

"Innocent until proven guilty" not "guilty because I don't like the look of him"

isn't good practice, is wrong or is smoething you'd never do is how I meant to end that first sentence.

And I'm saying I don't see how it's helpful to say it.

I really don't.

STOP.

NOW.

WE HAVE BEEN OVER THIS A MILLION TIMES.

WE ARE NOT ADDING ANYTHING NEW HERE.

IT IS POINTLESS, TIRESOME AND COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY TO HAVE THIS ENDLESS DEBATE ABOUT THE RIGHTS AND WRONGS OF THIS CASE.

Well Budgiesrus has not been back to explain exactly why they suspect that the poor father is involved.

Words fail me, they really do.

I don't find it helpful to have MANY of hte 'debates' we have here on MN, though, but it's certainly not my place or in the spirit of MN to tell others to stop it or how they should post.

I think the main priority here is making sure the poor little girl gets found and praying she is ok rather then focusing on pointing the finger at people. I can't believe people are actauly arguing over this, there is a little innocent girl out there who needs to be found, just remember that.

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I know hunker , dd has her Teddy and would be distraught with him/her. Can't believe the direction this thread is going , inevitable given what has gone before I suppose .