madeleine mccann was not abducted because she was left in a hotel room

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ok, i'm probably going to regret this - but i am dismayed to see the same old arguments coming up again and again about whether the mccann's were irresponsible to leave their children unsupervised in a hotel room.
it seems to be the same people posting too.
if they had taken her with them she could have still been abducted while running around while they were having their meal. i doubt they could have watched a 3yr old every second and she could have been snatched while out of sight, as happened to jamie bulger.

the person responsible is the one who abducted her, and if, sadly, it is anything to do with paedophilia, then all those people who support the industry in child porn by watching and paying for the stuff also bear some responsibility.

www.forsarah.com/html/sarahslaw.html perhaps we could all be doing something to try and stop it.

you are quite right Joliegirl - I'm stepping away from the thead before I bust a blood vessel

Holy Mother of GOD give it up!

I mean, I found the weeping and wailing threads a bit odd, but this dispassionate speculation is truly, truly distasteful.

And now I have broken my pledge to Blu

Exactly, Aims.

'You're not being helpful'.

Well, yeah, nor is slagging off people who work outside the home when they have kids - lots of us have NO choice in that, people who bottlefeed, give their kids FruitShoots, buy Nestle products, let their daughters wear Bratz products, eat at McDonald's, formula feed by choice or have an elective csection.

Oh, no, go for it then.

Because clearly a missing 4yo and implicating her father in her disappearance and blaming them for it happening in the first place is equatable to giving jarred food.

Keep posting your comments.

I'm sure it's helping...er...someone.

fgs

No, shit, Fio. I mean, people are still saying John and Patsy Ramsay were involved in the murder of JonBenet Ramsay and the wee girl's poor mother is dead from cancer laying in a grave next to her now.

it's a public forum, fgs.

And there's debate around a lot of the things you mention, EIS, debate that can hopefully change things for the better for people (for instance, people signing the petition re the situation with formula marketing in the Philippines).

And yes, there's debate over "whether you'd have left the children in the apartment" but for heavens sake, she's still missing, her parents are broken and most about about (for instance) formula feeding meaning higher rates of hospital admissions for gastric problems don't take place on threads entitled "My DD has been in hospital with gastroenteritis this week" - because that's crass and unsupportive.

I know it's a public forum.

I just don't understand what anyone's getting out of going over the ins and outs of a rats whatnot over and over and over again.

Just because you can do something, just because you may, doesn't make it any less distasteful to do so.

Oh, Fio, I know that!

I apologise for anyone thinking that my ill-crafted, written in a hurry post was a slur on ffeeding. It wasn't.

Dear god. I go away for a week, come back, click on active convos and there?s a madeleine mccann thread. How many rucks about this have I missed since I?ve been away?

Seriously though?

I agree with expat and others who say that it was because Madeleine was left in a room on her own that she was abducted. I also don?t think it?s wrong to say that. The Mccann?s have probably paid the ultimate price for their actions, if anything good can come out of this, maybe it will be that people will think twice about acting in this way in future and that they?ll be more careful before leaving their children unattended in situations where they might be put at risk, not just of abduction, because the risk of that is extremely rare, but of fire, waking up and wandering etc.

And I think that if the parents want to travel Europe to look for their daughter then that?s up to them, but I think that asking the public to donate money to pay for it is wrong, I think that asking popstars to hold benefit concerts for Madeleine is wrong, I think that approaching the heads of state in Africa, where millions of children are dying will achieve nothing other than to send out the message to the heads of state in Africa that one white child is worth far more than the millions of black ones dying every day.

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In an attempt to be even handed, isn't the reason that people go on and on about the case is that it has touched some very deep nerve. Many people are distressed by it, still more are frightened. The case forces us to ask such questions as how can we protect children in this world? What can be expected of us, what is reasonable or wise or realistic for us to do. They're not easy questions to answer and people have different asnwers but I think all the wondering and the guessing and the speculating and measuring other behaviour against one's own is an attempt to do that.

very true

very true

Very well put, Aims.

Good post, NFK. I think it also shows that when being nasty about faceless MNers' individual choices we forget that there are real people behind the names and IRL we wouldn't dream of scoring points but feel for them regardless.

I don?t think it?s any more distasteful to talk about the rights and wrongs of leaving children unattended than it is to talk about the rights and wrongs of bottlefeeding. Either way you are casting aspersions (sp?) over other peoples? parenting.

Aimsmum, I don't think it's OK to say the things you've said it's OK to say though.

Nkf I think you make a valid point. I think one of the reasons why this case has touched so many nerves is because of the very nature of it. There?s been talk that Madeleine was specifically targeted. So that would mean that someone was watching her. And I think that?s what touches the nerve for so many, the fact that someone could be watching your child and you may never even know about it. It?s scary beyond words.

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I think the difference is that in this case we do not know what went on that night. We don't know the circumstances, we don't know the resort, we don't know the McCanns, we don't know exactly how far away they were or how much of the apartment they could see, we don't know if they had other precautions such as a telephone listening service.

And because this topic has been done to death not only on Mumsnet but in the media too.

Of course you can have an opinion. Personally I have left my children asleep in their room with a baby alarm whilst dh and I went to the hotel bar, or to the neighbour's house opposite. So I can say that with an alarm I might have done the same. But I would refrain on commenting further because I don't know how secure the resort itself is, it could be very very secure.

My feeling is that a little girl would have been abducted from that resort. Perhaps not on that night, but whoever took her was looking for an opportunity and had it not been Madeleine it would have been another child.

A little German boy of 6 was taken 11 years before on the same beach whilst he was walking a few yards behind his parents. They go there every year in the hope of finding him.

I find it a little tactless to blame the parents. When are the parents ever free from blame? When does it stop being our fault?

A general discussion on leaving children is fine, but to hold aloft the McCann case to scaremonger is wrong.

That is my opinion.