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Dilemma with husband smacking teen

231 replies

DutchSmartie · 20/01/2018 11:32

Hi, i'm new here and don't know who to turn to for advice.

My husband is ordinarily a very lovely man. Our friends think he's fantastic. However when he gets angry (and his moods can be brittle), he often says and does things that are very inappropriate. He has astonishingly poor emotional control at times.

So on the odd occasion when he is angry at our daughter, who is 15 now, he has lashed out at her. She is quite mouthy and doesnt back down easily, but whenever this has happened, I've addressed it - its not okay, he should never lash out at her or anyone etc but he is usually furious back - i never support him in arguments, he barely touched her, she's over-reacting to get attention etc. I've witnessed him slap her, push her hard against the wall, and kick her hard enough off the bed for her to fall heavily on the floor. He never ever apologises to her, or admits his behaviour was inappropriate. I've talked to her about it, and that while he should apologise, he almost certainly is ashamed of his behaviour, and that he is a product of his own upbringing, and the est she can hope for is to learn from it for when she becomes a parent. But it feels woefully inadequate. If i broach it with him, he gets angry, accuses me (an her) of being a liar, and of fabricating these events.

Lately, whenever he taps her or brushes her aside when he's annoyed, she becomes mouthy, shouts to take his hands off her and to stop hitting her. Invariably he becomes furious at her accusations, and punishes her in some way like cutting off her internet, taking her phone, banning her from a party. If i haven't witnessed these events, only the shouty aftermath, I can't really comment on whether his behaviour on those occasions was or was not appropriate.

The problem is that he then turns his anger on me for not backing him up. Apparently i should be equally cross at our daughter for making these 'false accusations'. The fact that i didn't see the event doesn't come into it. If i make the mistake of saying that, hence implying that in fact he could have hit, smacked or otherwise hurt her, or remind him that he has in fact done so in the past, he threatens to leave me for emotional abuse, sleeps elsewhere, sulks etc.

Meanwhile my daughter is furious at being punished for something she hasn't done - ie her dad got mad and lashed out at her and is now punishing her (as well as the silent fury and sulking). She's furious at me for not taking her side, for not making him apologise for lashing out at her, for not undoing the punishment.

I have no idea how to deal with this. I don't want to undermine him and his relationship with her further. I hate it that he lashes out when cross, verbally and physically. I hate it that he has no respect for her physical boundaries, and even pushing her or her hand away is not okay if she says its not okay. i hate that i'm being made to not support her in feeling that she can set these boundaries, or that if they are crossed she must stay silent and take the punishment so as not to set him off further. I cant talk to him about it without him becoming angry and accusing me of lying, and I have no idea what to say to her about it.

Please help :(

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MsGameandWatching · 20/01/2018 11:35

Your husband is showing your daughter that it's ok for the men in her life to be violent to her. This will be normal for her as she grows up and she will sleep walk into abusive relationships.

What do you do? You LEAVE him.

MyBrilliantDisguise · 20/01/2018 11:35

You do realise that if she told her teachers at school about this, Social Services would be looking closely at your family and at you for not leaving this man who is violent towards your daughter?

averylongtimeago · 20/01/2018 11:40

What are you asking here? For advice on how to explain to your DD that she should put up and shut up about abuse?
I'm not going to give you that. Your DD would be within her rights to call the police. Her father is abusing her. Kicking her so hard she falls off the bed? "Tapping" hitting her? How can you justify that?

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endofthelinefinally · 20/01/2018 11:41

Police.

AuntieStella · 20/01/2018 11:41

That isn't smacking (which is non-painful, usually on a nappied bottom, to get attention not to hurt).

It is assault and domestic violence. You should not be thinking in terms of whether he's "undermined" but in terms of how to protect your DD (and I suspect yourself, as you fear his anger).

Have a look at the services and advice offered by Women's Aid. Think hard about the need to plan to leave.

flimp · 20/01/2018 11:44

You don't want to undermine him WHAT THE FUCK

You are not protecting your daughter. She is being abused right in front of you Angry

AnyFucker · 20/01/2018 11:44

Your husband is showing your daughter that it's ok for the men in her life to be violent to her. This will be normal for her as she grows up and she will sleep walk into abusive relationships.

And so is her mother

jusdepamplemousse · 20/01/2018 11:47

Jesus Christ are you for real with this? Your husband is a dangerous man, guilty of fairly severe physical assaults on a minor. There is NO justification for his behaviour. None whatsoever. Stop minimising his behaviour and protect your daughter. Apologise to her for failing to protect her so far and hope she forgives you. I’m sorry to be so harsh, appreciate it’s not easy for you, but this is just so depressing. You’re the adult, step up.

JuniLoolaPalooza · 20/01/2018 11:48

I've witnessed him slap her, push her hard against the wall, and kick her hard enough off the bed for her to fall heavily on the floor.

Why didn't you call the police? Why are you still with him? Does he abuse you like this?

WeAllHaveWings · 20/01/2018 11:48

if my dh every laid a finger (pushing, slapping, anything) on my ds or even was verbally abusive to him he would be out the door. a father should be an adult and know how to keep calm and not inflame these situations with teenagers.

just now you are teaching your daughter it is ok for a man to verbally abuse here and push/slap her around and no one can do anything.

what do you say?

tell your dh if he cannot control his temper with a child or lays a finger on her again he is gone.

tell you dd if he lays a finger on her again you will protect her by either telling him to leave or calling the police, or she can call the police.

and mean it.

WhatWouldLeslieKnopeDo · 20/01/2018 11:50

the best she can hope for is to learn from it for when she becomes a parent. But it feels woefully inadequate.

WTF?! Yes, that is worefully inadequate. The best she could hope for is to have parents who actually value her safety and wellbeing.

DaisysStew · 20/01/2018 11:51

Why are you letting your husband assault your daughter? If your DD was grown and told you her husband had done those things would you think it acceptable?

I’m horrified that you’ve done nothing to protect your dd. You do realise that as a parent by allowing this to happen you are just as culpable in Court. Knowingly allowing your child to be abused is a crime in itself. Something to think about.

ILoveMyMonkey · 20/01/2018 11:53

and the est she can hope for is to learn from it for when she becomes a parent. No, actually the best she could hope for is a mother who would protect her from the physical abuse she is being subjected to by her father.

And the reason it feels woefully inadequate is because it is.

I hope she tells someone who will do something to protect her.

DunedinGirl · 20/01/2018 11:53

He's not smacking her though. He's assualting her. Call the police. Show your daughter it isn't OK.

hollowtree · 20/01/2018 11:53

OP I'm sorry but your husband is physically assaulting your daughter. She is only a young woman and needs you to care for and protect her. You have to start doing this now. It's time to leave, for you and the poor girl

ElfEars · 20/01/2018 11:54

Your husband is abusing your daughter and you are sitting back and allowing it to happen. What should you do? Protect your daughter! Do you really need to ask?

Smurfy23 · 20/01/2018 11:54

Yes you need to take your daughters side on this one. She is the child, not your husband (despite appearances to the contrary).

It sounds like hes created a situation which will only escalate and he needs to put a stop to it. If he knows that what he is doing is wrong then he needs to walk away as soon as he gets angry. It can be resolved later but not when he is angry. And he needs to start apologising for his actions regardless how hard he finds it. If he knows he is wrong he needs to say sorry. And I bet he knows he does too. If you come into the tail end of something again then I would diffuse it by separating them and calmly reminding him that even if he hasnt (or feels he hasnt) pushed/kicked or whatever her this time he has in the past and that the best way to involve (what he feels is) confusion in the first place is to avoid ever doing it in the first place.

Thats how Id do it if I was being tactful.

Personally Id tell him on his own to keep his hands to himself and leave the disciplining to me if he cant control himself and act like an adult. If he gets aggressive leave him to stew in his own juices. He knows hes wrong.

Ilovecamping · 20/01/2018 11:55

You are an adult and mother, why haven’t you stepped in before now. It is assault

RandomMess · 20/01/2018 11:56

Bl**dy he'll. My DH once slapped one of our DC I told him if it ever happened again we would be leaving- he is never aggressive/ranting etc but he messed up once.

What your DH is doing is assault - kicking her so she falls off the bed!! Her attitude is a pure reflection of his!!!

Hoppinggreen · 20/01/2018 11:57

He’s not “smacking” her, he is assaulting her
It’s illegal and wrong and if he won’t stop he has to leave
If she told you a teacher, friend or random person in the street had done any of those things to her you would call the police. This is as bad if not worse.

CabbagePatch91 · 20/01/2018 11:58

This is obviously a very difficult and sensative situation. It's easy for people on the outside to judge and be quick to offer advice that's hard to swallow.

However, it's clear that you know this behaviour is wrong. You should think about what you would advise a friend or someone who posted the same thread on here.

Your daughter is 15 - a young adult - and chances are, she won't be putting up with this much longer. So, if she does alert someone or the authorities, it's likely that you will be embroiled in it as well. Now might be the time to have a long hard think and consider seeking confidential advice before taking your next step.

It's worth being really honest to yourself and ask: why are you with him? Do you love him? Does he hurt you?

Good luck.

TheCraicDealer · 20/01/2018 11:58

It's not often I'd cast aspersions on someone's parenting skills on here, but if you can see this for what it is you're a fucking idiot. He's assaulting your daughter time and time again and all you can worry about is undermining him? You're as bad as he is for letting this happen over and over again, and for trying to explain away his violence. I hope you're ashamed of yourself and your daughter gets herself away from this situation because it looks like she can't rely on her mum.

Amazing how these men never seem to lose their temper at work or with someone who can fight back.

Dermymc · 20/01/2018 11:59

Fuck me, why are you still living with this idiot?

He physically abuses your child.

I'd ring the police and get him removed from the house. Then see a damn good lawyer. Protect your daughter while you can.

Viviennemary · 20/01/2018 11:59

No that is not acceptable. And you know this so I don't know why you are asking here. But you must step in and do something. Seems as if your DD is misbehaving and being cheeky. So find a way to discipline her without physical assault.

twotired · 20/01/2018 11:59

Agree wholeheartedly with @WeAllHaveWings

You will probably get awful comments about you on this thread, but everyone is an outsider to your life and you are doing what you think is best.

I imagine you are scared of his anger and any reaction he has to you and any repercussions for your DD, and you feel conflicted between two people you love dearly. Unfortunately he is being very abusive to your DD and you need to do something to show him and your DD that it is absolutely unacceptable.

Be calm. Let him call you all the names he wants. If he lays even a finger on either of you ever again then you leave and don't look back.

Tell him he needs anger management and tell him to go to the GP so that he can get some support as it sounds like he may need it.

This isn't normal behaviour and you really do need to do something to fix it.

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