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Dilemma with husband smacking teen

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DutchSmartie · 20/01/2018 11:32

Hi, i'm new here and don't know who to turn to for advice.

My husband is ordinarily a very lovely man. Our friends think he's fantastic. However when he gets angry (and his moods can be brittle), he often says and does things that are very inappropriate. He has astonishingly poor emotional control at times.

So on the odd occasion when he is angry at our daughter, who is 15 now, he has lashed out at her. She is quite mouthy and doesnt back down easily, but whenever this has happened, I've addressed it - its not okay, he should never lash out at her or anyone etc but he is usually furious back - i never support him in arguments, he barely touched her, she's over-reacting to get attention etc. I've witnessed him slap her, push her hard against the wall, and kick her hard enough off the bed for her to fall heavily on the floor. He never ever apologises to her, or admits his behaviour was inappropriate. I've talked to her about it, and that while he should apologise, he almost certainly is ashamed of his behaviour, and that he is a product of his own upbringing, and the est she can hope for is to learn from it for when she becomes a parent. But it feels woefully inadequate. If i broach it with him, he gets angry, accuses me (an her) of being a liar, and of fabricating these events.

Lately, whenever he taps her or brushes her aside when he's annoyed, she becomes mouthy, shouts to take his hands off her and to stop hitting her. Invariably he becomes furious at her accusations, and punishes her in some way like cutting off her internet, taking her phone, banning her from a party. If i haven't witnessed these events, only the shouty aftermath, I can't really comment on whether his behaviour on those occasions was or was not appropriate.

The problem is that he then turns his anger on me for not backing him up. Apparently i should be equally cross at our daughter for making these 'false accusations'. The fact that i didn't see the event doesn't come into it. If i make the mistake of saying that, hence implying that in fact he could have hit, smacked or otherwise hurt her, or remind him that he has in fact done so in the past, he threatens to leave me for emotional abuse, sleeps elsewhere, sulks etc.

Meanwhile my daughter is furious at being punished for something she hasn't done - ie her dad got mad and lashed out at her and is now punishing her (as well as the silent fury and sulking). She's furious at me for not taking her side, for not making him apologise for lashing out at her, for not undoing the punishment.

I have no idea how to deal with this. I don't want to undermine him and his relationship with her further. I hate it that he lashes out when cross, verbally and physically. I hate it that he has no respect for her physical boundaries, and even pushing her or her hand away is not okay if she says its not okay. i hate that i'm being made to not support her in feeling that she can set these boundaries, or that if they are crossed she must stay silent and take the punishment so as not to set him off further. I cant talk to him about it without him becoming angry and accusing me of lying, and I have no idea what to say to her about it.

Please help :(

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WhoWants2Know · 20/01/2018 14:37

OP, what he (and maybe you) isn't getting is that the first time he hurt her, he lost her trust and the right to ever enter her personal space again.

She isn't overreacting. If anything she's underreacting by not reporting him.

MrsFantastic · 20/01/2018 14:39

I wish people would stop suggesting that OP change the locks. This keeps coming up in these kinds of threads.

www.familylaw.co.uk/news_and_comment/changing-the-locks-on-the-family-home-following-separation

Nothomealone · 20/01/2018 14:39

Do you think your DH is actually planning on leaving? Or is he waiting for you to ask him to stay?
Social services would be taking a very dim view of your husband's assaults against your dd. What he is doing is not okay and school and social services would not allow it to continue unchallenged if they were aware of it.
Your dd needs to know that you understand that what he did was not okay and you totally believe this. If you are not able to protect your dd you could offer her the information she needs to protect herself, if she reports the assaults at school the authorities will start investigating.
Ideally you would be able to look at his behaviour and think about whether you would stay if he assaulted you in this way and then think about how your dd must feel living in this situation and being unable to leave.
Think about all of the years of care and love you have put into raising your dd, she will struggle to remember any of that if she just remembers you standing by as she was used as a punch bag by her father.
Let your DH take responsibility for his own actions and take responsibility for your actions, protect your dd and rebuild your relationship with her.

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ukpor · 20/01/2018 14:44

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FissionChips · 20/01/2018 14:49

I feel for him and understand him as someone who cannot stand people running their mouth at me; it can make me see red!

You’d slap and kick your child with such force she fall onto the floor because you’re angry? Hmm

You’re daughter is being nosey abused op, god knows what he does to her when you are not there.

Get out of the relationship and show your daughter she isn’t anyone’s punchbag.

Footle · 20/01/2018 14:52

ukpor, so you're another one like the OP's husband. Nice to know how your minds work. Not very helpful as far as protecting your chosen targets goes.

mustbemad17 · 20/01/2018 14:53

There is absolutely no excuse for abusing a 15 year old. Someone 'running their mouth off' does not deserve any level of physical abuse

Nothomealone · 20/01/2018 14:53

ukpor Teenagers can be very trying nobody imagines otherwise.
I hope for your sake that when you see red in your life because someone is giving you lip you don't slap them, push them up against walls or kick them off beds because you are likely to end up with a conviction for assault.
However angry dad gets he needs to keep his hands to himself.

Blushlove · 20/01/2018 14:55

100% let the abusive bastard leave.

If your daughter was telling you her boyfriend had done the same things, you would be horrified and wouldn't justify that it's only been 3 times.

bastardkitty · 20/01/2018 14:56

ukpor I definitely do live on a different planet to you.

Blushlove · 20/01/2018 14:58

@ukpor I wonder if you would say the same if your partner kicked you off the bed if you got bit a mouthy.

Sorry but I don't think anyone appreciates or likes being mouthed off at, absolutely no excuse to hit your teenage daughter.

ukpor · 20/01/2018 15:03

@ not home alone I have never lifted a finger on anyone hence my advice of knowing when to walk away.
I am not condoning it but OP asked for advice on what to do about his fury

@blushlove I wouldn’t give anyone that sort of lip knowing it’d provoke them that much and I’m a teen.

MamaBearto2 · 20/01/2018 15:03

You will lose your daughter if you allow this to continue

ukpor · 20/01/2018 15:04

@footle how you got to that conclusion amazes me!

PrimalLass · 20/01/2018 15:04

I wish people would stop suggesting that OP change the locks. This keeps coming up in these kinds of threads.

Well I would imagine that if he knew his wife and daughter would report his abuse to the police, he might not push the changing the locks thing.

Quartz2208 · 20/01/2018 15:13

he is abusing your daughter - at worse he has physically assaulted her but he makes her walk on eggshells.

You will lose your daughter, she will walk away from you, that is the best you can hope for. Worst case is she walks away into an abusive relationship

Truthfully look at your relationship, the sulks, the emotional pressure - I suspect you are constantly toeing the line with him and appeasing him which is why he has not lashed out at you

Footle kicking someone off the bed is assault

AutumnalTed · 20/01/2018 15:16

You need to protect your daughter. Leave him and take her.

sirlee66 · 20/01/2018 15:26

I've not read through the comments. Only the original post.

I'm disgusted.

That poor girl needs to call the police.

The fact a grown man assaults a young girl. And the OP allows this. It's sick.if I knew who you were and where you lived, I'd call the police in a heart beat.

He should be locked away.

GrooovyLass · 20/01/2018 15:32

If my father (or anyone) had put their hands on me to such an extent that I'd been kicked off a bed then you betcha I'd be reacting to ANY touch from him, including having my hand "tapped" away.

She'll be living on eggshells so much that she will react to any touch from him - she'll be getting her retaliation in first.

Would I be correct in assuming that the children he isn't abusing are boys?

Smurfy23 · 20/01/2018 15:33

What was he tapping her hand away from?

pinkbraces · 20/01/2018 15:35

OP you most certainly are condoning this by not dealing with it. He needs to leave, your DD needs to know that this is absolutely wrong and that you back her and will not allow this man to abuse her. This is the only way you will be able to re-establish trust from your daughter.

You are teaching her she is not important enough to you. Do something today.

citybzg · 20/01/2018 15:37

I've witnessed him slap her, push her hard against the wall, and kick her hard enough off the bed for her to fall heavily on the floor.

Fucking hell. Go and read that again and again OP until it sinks in.

Casmama · 20/01/2018 15:40

I would be very surprised if he goes anywhere- he’s trying to manipulate you into backing down. And why wouldn’t he- it’s been very effective before.

Cheekyandfreaky · 20/01/2018 15:40

He’s probably waiting for you to beg him to stay.

He’s a horribly abusive man to your child who you have also let down by not protecting her.

Let him leave/ make him leave. Start being a parent and protect your child.

ptumbi · 20/01/2018 15:45

UK - I wouldn’t give anyone that sort of lip knowing it’d provoke them that much and I’m a teen. - so if you did 'give some lip' you would be ok with that person hitting you? Kicking off the bed? Cos it would be 'your fault' right?

You sounds as if you have also been abused - has someone told you that violence is the correct answer to 'mouthing off'?

I suggest you find some boundaries. NO-ONE is allowed to hit another person. The End. No excuses.

If someone hits you, or threatens to, regardless of what you are doing to 'provoke them' Angry go to the Police.