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Dilemma with husband smacking teen

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DutchSmartie · 20/01/2018 11:32

Hi, i'm new here and don't know who to turn to for advice.

My husband is ordinarily a very lovely man. Our friends think he's fantastic. However when he gets angry (and his moods can be brittle), he often says and does things that are very inappropriate. He has astonishingly poor emotional control at times.

So on the odd occasion when he is angry at our daughter, who is 15 now, he has lashed out at her. She is quite mouthy and doesnt back down easily, but whenever this has happened, I've addressed it - its not okay, he should never lash out at her or anyone etc but he is usually furious back - i never support him in arguments, he barely touched her, she's over-reacting to get attention etc. I've witnessed him slap her, push her hard against the wall, and kick her hard enough off the bed for her to fall heavily on the floor. He never ever apologises to her, or admits his behaviour was inappropriate. I've talked to her about it, and that while he should apologise, he almost certainly is ashamed of his behaviour, and that he is a product of his own upbringing, and the est she can hope for is to learn from it for when she becomes a parent. But it feels woefully inadequate. If i broach it with him, he gets angry, accuses me (an her) of being a liar, and of fabricating these events.

Lately, whenever he taps her or brushes her aside when he's annoyed, she becomes mouthy, shouts to take his hands off her and to stop hitting her. Invariably he becomes furious at her accusations, and punishes her in some way like cutting off her internet, taking her phone, banning her from a party. If i haven't witnessed these events, only the shouty aftermath, I can't really comment on whether his behaviour on those occasions was or was not appropriate.

The problem is that he then turns his anger on me for not backing him up. Apparently i should be equally cross at our daughter for making these 'false accusations'. The fact that i didn't see the event doesn't come into it. If i make the mistake of saying that, hence implying that in fact he could have hit, smacked or otherwise hurt her, or remind him that he has in fact done so in the past, he threatens to leave me for emotional abuse, sleeps elsewhere, sulks etc.

Meanwhile my daughter is furious at being punished for something she hasn't done - ie her dad got mad and lashed out at her and is now punishing her (as well as the silent fury and sulking). She's furious at me for not taking her side, for not making him apologise for lashing out at her, for not undoing the punishment.

I have no idea how to deal with this. I don't want to undermine him and his relationship with her further. I hate it that he lashes out when cross, verbally and physically. I hate it that he has no respect for her physical boundaries, and even pushing her or her hand away is not okay if she says its not okay. i hate that i'm being made to not support her in feeling that she can set these boundaries, or that if they are crossed she must stay silent and take the punishment so as not to set him off further. I cant talk to him about it without him becoming angry and accusing me of lying, and I have no idea what to say to her about it.

Please help :(

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stuffstuffeverywhere · 20/01/2018 12:16

If you ever get back together euthanised him, your daughter will probably hate you. Quite rightly too.

She'll be posting on here one day about going no contact with the mother who let her father beat the shit out of her.

MsGameandWatching · 20/01/2018 12:17

Please let him go. Please see it through. Does he attack your other children too?

stuffstuffeverywhere · 20/01/2018 12:17

Get back together with him!

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SeaToSki · 20/01/2018 12:17

It sounds like you DD is desperately trying to establish her boundaries with your DH. ‘You may not touch me because I dont trust you to touch me and not push or shove’. By you not standing up for her, you are telling her that it is OK for people to ignore her boundaries and push their attention/aggression onto her despite her objections. In time she may just decide to not object anymore. Do you really want her to learn that from her parents? Your DD sounds like a brave, wonderful girl with lots of determination, please dont let that be driven out of her.

Can you talk to your DH about it with this frame of reference? If he wont listen to you, you may need to take your DD and leave for a while to see if that will shake him up enough to see that you are completely serious about this being a very BIG issue for both you and DD

PoorYorick · 20/01/2018 12:18

Hi Mum of teenage me (or at least the teenager I would be if I were 15 right now - we didn't have internet at home and stuff back then).

The abuse I received at the literal hands of my father in those years has scarred me. It is the reason I very nearly did not children, it is the reason I will not be having more than one, it is the reason I have had anxiety disorder and depression for nigh on 20 years. Please don't normalise it or minimise it or tell anyone how fantastic he is. He is a bully and a misogynist and thinks that it is acceptable to slap women into knowing their places, especially if they're related to him, because they are therefore only extensions of him.

Shall I tell you what will happen in six years time? Either she will have enough and smack the fucker right back, or he will do some real damage to her (broken teeth, perhaps). If you're really lucky, both. And 17 years later you will still witter on to anyone who'll listen about what a nice person he is, how misunderstood, how he was abused himself and if only everyone could just love him like you can.

And your daughter will WALK.

Mum.

Marcine · 20/01/2018 12:18

Let him leave, change the locks.

You need to step up and protect your daughter!

tenterden · 20/01/2018 12:19

Please don't stop him from leaving, it really is the best outcome.

Stop and think about this. He will only stay if he is allowed to violently assault his own children. How can you condone that?

It's time for you to start protecting DD and put your DCs needs first.

twotired · 20/01/2018 12:19

Let him go, OP. Perhaps he will calm down and you can have a rational discussion about it then.

TitaniasCloset · 20/01/2018 12:19

Let him leave OP.

Fluffycloudland77 · 20/01/2018 12:20

Best thing he can do is leave. He's abusing her.

I'm n/c with my parents due to my mum, my dad only stood up for me once.

misscph1973 · 20/01/2018 12:20

Advice is what we ask for when we already know the answer, but wish we didn't- Erica Jong

@DutchSmartie, well done for having the conversation. It must have been hard, but you did the right thing. Let him go. Maybe you will work it out if he understands you mean business. Time apart will give you both insights.

I know too well what you are going through with your DH demanding that you "support" him with punishing your DD. It's not right. You have been trying to keep the family together, but you can't do that alone.

pointythings · 20/01/2018 12:20

Let him leave. It doesn't matter that he has never hit you - he is abusing his own daughter. Let him leave and don't let him come back. Start divorce proceedings. However hard work your DD is - and I have two teens, one of identical age - physical and verbal abuse is not acceptable. His reaction to your attempt to discuss this with him tells you everything you need to know - he feels no remorse, he does not accept that he has done wrong. So get him out of all your lives.

Posters who have said Social Services would be interested are absolutely correct.

catlovingdoctor · 20/01/2018 12:21

Is this a fucking wind up?

Your husband is disgusting, and you are failing as a parent to allow this to happen. Your poor, poor daughter.

PatriciaHolm · 20/01/2018 12:21

Let him leave.

Your daughter needs protecting.

You need to stop thinking about you and your relationship with this abuser and think about her. This isn't about you, it's about protecting a vulnerable child from physical and mental abuse.

You will lose her forever if this continues. And if she makes a disclosure to school, you could have social services on your doorstep.

crunchtime · 20/01/2018 12:21

i can't understand why the first time he did it to her you don't tell him that if he laid a finger on her again you would kill him.

if he was kicking you off the bed and pushing you against walls would that e ok?

Maybe83 · 20/01/2018 12:22

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needapaddle · 20/01/2018 12:22

It doesn't matter if he hasn't hit or hurt you - he has physically abused your daughter and that is enough. Let him go, he is a cunt, a nasty violent cunt who is teaching your daughter it is ok to be abused by a man AND YOU HAVE BEEN FACILITATING AND CONDONING IT. So what is happening now is great.

Apologise to her, tell her you were wrong to not take action in the past and you support her and your lives will be better without him. She should never ever put up with that again from him or any other man. Celebrate the fact that you stood up to him and had her back - as you should. Be strong OP, your kids deserve it - you should have walked the moment that ANY of the incidents happened, but at least this is happening now & it is for the best - don't back down. You should also report all of the above to the police now. Good luck Flowers

PoorYorick · 20/01/2018 12:22

Just saw the update.

Thank God. I wish my father had walked out, since my mother wouldn't.

riledandharrassed · 20/01/2018 12:22

You are standing by and letting this man assault and abuse your child?

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/01/2018 12:26

Your dd may well be gobby. Teenagers are at this age, especially if they’re not being listened to.

It is incredibly degrading and demeaning to be the teenage child, who is being abused physically and emotionally. Your dd must be very confused. I am very relieved he is leaving.

I am really sorry that your relationship is breaking down because neither of you could address the situation before. And glad that you are stepping up and being the grown up.

thisisminnie · 20/01/2018 12:26

He sounds exactly like my father. My mother never stood up for me either. I felt utterly alone in the world when I lived with them and struggle with mental health still.

My father died a long time ago and I was not sad. I have never forgiven my mother and although I see her occasionally, our relationship is very strained.

Is this what you want for your daughter?

Flurries · 20/01/2018 12:27

I am sorry for your situation OP, but it is totally irrelevant that he has never touch you. You MUST protect your daughter. Don't let him come back.

ChoudeBruxelles · 20/01/2018 12:28

If he did those things to you what would you do? If my dh did that he would need to leave or I would leave. He’s being abusive and you’re not protecting your daughter

mustbemad17 · 20/01/2018 12:28

Change the locks the minute he has gone

differentnameforthis · 20/01/2018 12:29

I've witnessed him slap her, push her hard against the wall, and kick her hard enough off the bed for her to fall heavily on the floor ... and the est she can hope for is to learn from it for when she becomes a parent The best she can hope for is to learn from it, are you for real?

You are watching your husband physical abuse your daughter. This is domestic violence. By not protecting her, you are colluding with him and also abusing your daughter.

whenever he taps her or brushes her aside when he's annoyed, she becomes mouthy, shouts to take his hands off her and to stop hitting her Because she is fearing another assault. She doesn't feel safe, so she reacts instinctively, which ends in her being punished by him.

If i haven't witnessed these events, only the shouty aftermath, I can't really comment on whether his behaviour on those occasions was or was not appropriate. Why? You know he hurts her, you are enabling him and protecting an abuser.

She's furious at me for not taking her side I am not fucking surprised. You are failing her. I hope she tells a teacher that she is being physically abused at home and that you do nothing to protect her. That way, someone might help stop this abuse against her.

This is NOT OK!!

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