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Dilemma with husband smacking teen

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DutchSmartie · 20/01/2018 11:32

Hi, i'm new here and don't know who to turn to for advice.

My husband is ordinarily a very lovely man. Our friends think he's fantastic. However when he gets angry (and his moods can be brittle), he often says and does things that are very inappropriate. He has astonishingly poor emotional control at times.

So on the odd occasion when he is angry at our daughter, who is 15 now, he has lashed out at her. She is quite mouthy and doesnt back down easily, but whenever this has happened, I've addressed it - its not okay, he should never lash out at her or anyone etc but he is usually furious back - i never support him in arguments, he barely touched her, she's over-reacting to get attention etc. I've witnessed him slap her, push her hard against the wall, and kick her hard enough off the bed for her to fall heavily on the floor. He never ever apologises to her, or admits his behaviour was inappropriate. I've talked to her about it, and that while he should apologise, he almost certainly is ashamed of his behaviour, and that he is a product of his own upbringing, and the est she can hope for is to learn from it for when she becomes a parent. But it feels woefully inadequate. If i broach it with him, he gets angry, accuses me (an her) of being a liar, and of fabricating these events.

Lately, whenever he taps her or brushes her aside when he's annoyed, she becomes mouthy, shouts to take his hands off her and to stop hitting her. Invariably he becomes furious at her accusations, and punishes her in some way like cutting off her internet, taking her phone, banning her from a party. If i haven't witnessed these events, only the shouty aftermath, I can't really comment on whether his behaviour on those occasions was or was not appropriate.

The problem is that he then turns his anger on me for not backing him up. Apparently i should be equally cross at our daughter for making these 'false accusations'. The fact that i didn't see the event doesn't come into it. If i make the mistake of saying that, hence implying that in fact he could have hit, smacked or otherwise hurt her, or remind him that he has in fact done so in the past, he threatens to leave me for emotional abuse, sleeps elsewhere, sulks etc.

Meanwhile my daughter is furious at being punished for something she hasn't done - ie her dad got mad and lashed out at her and is now punishing her (as well as the silent fury and sulking). She's furious at me for not taking her side, for not making him apologise for lashing out at her, for not undoing the punishment.

I have no idea how to deal with this. I don't want to undermine him and his relationship with her further. I hate it that he lashes out when cross, verbally and physically. I hate it that he has no respect for her physical boundaries, and even pushing her or her hand away is not okay if she says its not okay. i hate that i'm being made to not support her in feeling that she can set these boundaries, or that if they are crossed she must stay silent and take the punishment so as not to set him off further. I cant talk to him about it without him becoming angry and accusing me of lying, and I have no idea what to say to her about it.

Please help :(

OP posts:
AthenaAshton · 20/01/2018 12:34

Dutch: have sent you a PM.

SpicksAndSpecks · 20/01/2018 12:39

Same here, PoorYorick. I was scared of my dad. My mother let him come and go (their separations were a legendary joke) and we moved house so many times for a 'fresh start' - my anger with her built up and built up and I stopped all contact with her when my DC were young because I realised she was fucking delusional.

Even after she divorced him she was obsessed with getting back together with him, or making us hate him.

Some women and men are just like that. No insight.

The epic joke is, my mother became a counsellor.

Emily7708 · 20/01/2018 12:45

This can’t be real? If my DH ever raised a hand to my DD he would be gone, and I would be telling my DD at every opportunity that this was not acceptable.

I feel so upset for your DD, being horribly abused by her father while her mother not only stands by and does nothing to protect her, but actually minimises the abuse and tries to turn it into some sort of life lesson. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Unfortunately even if you do tell your husband to leave now, at age 15 you have both done irreparable damage to your DD’s mental health and well-being. I hope she tells someone what is going on, so she can get the hell away from both of you.

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differentnameforthis · 20/01/2018 12:45

If he lays even a finger on either of you ever again then you leave and don't look back. Why encourage her to wait? He is physically assaulting the dd, there is no need to wait until next time

He's never hit or hurt me. And what? That's OK is it? Doe he hurt the otehr children? Are they all girls?

Smurfy23 · 20/01/2018 12:45

OP that reaction to the conversation isnt normal, you know that dont you?

Great that he hasnt hit you but if youre too afraid to rock the boat most of the time thats hardly surprising. The bottom line is though he HAS hit your daughter and you have a duty of care to protect her.

Let him storm out in an indignant rage and give him the time to reflect on his behaviour and actions. If hes a decent person he will realise that he has had a part to play in this. If he continues to blame everyone but himself you know your answer.

MsGameandWatching · 20/01/2018 12:47

I'd be interested to hear how he explains his leaving to friends and family.

WunWun · 20/01/2018 12:50

It turns my stomach that you told your daughter that the best she can hope for is to learn a lesson from it when she's a parent. You admitted to her face that you know he is abusing her and you're not going to do a thing about it.

No wonder she is angry with you.

GrooovyLass · 20/01/2018 12:53

Let him go. I really really hope that she reports this abuse to someone at school and that they get the police or ss involved.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 20/01/2018 12:56

Your main job as a mother is to protect your children. You haven't done that. I expect your daughter will leave home as soon as she can and never look back. Sadly your terrible parenting will probably ensure that she ends up with a nasty violent man like her father.

EggsonHeads · 20/01/2018 12:59

Your husband is assaulting your daughter and you are letting him. I'm sorry but that really isn't ok. If you at financially able to leave then leave if not then at least support your daughter properly instead of making excuses.

ErinSophia · 20/01/2018 13:00

LTB now! You're enabling his behaviour by sticking around and letting him take his anger management issues out on an innocent child.

DriggleDraggle · 20/01/2018 13:00

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quitealotlost · 20/01/2018 13:07

Well done for standing up to him and having a difficult conversation.

This isn't going to change. Let him go.

bullyingadvice2017 · 20/01/2018 13:11

Let him pack. My dad used to do this. Once (about 15) I really went for it and gave him a real kick right in the balls. Walked out and later on told both parents that the fact is if i told them my boyfriend had done that they would call the police. So what's so different about him, apart from being 3 times this age?

notapizzaeater · 20/01/2018 13:25

Let him go, he's assaulting your daughter and you are allowing it to continue. Agree is your daughter told someone at school, SS would be taking a much harsher line here.

ptumbi · 20/01/2018 13:31

He's never hit you? Is that your 'bar'? He can hit and kick your children but if he lays a finger on you....Angry you have that arse-backwards.

the best she can hope for is to learn from it for when she becomes a parent. unfortunately, if he (and you) allows this to continue she will probably become a parent who abuses and hits her own children. It's a cycle; your H has probably had a similar childhood. And so it goes on.

You need to break this cycle now.

tiptopteepe · 20/01/2018 13:33

Let him go OP and change the locks. Because he will be back, hes just doing this to manipulate you into shutting up about it. Dont let him back in. Do you seriously want to put up with this your whole life? He is not even admitting the very serious things that he is doing. Its disgusting. I know its hard when you love someone but surely your daughter who is a child and requires your protection, must come first.

Theresnonamesleft · 20/01/2018 13:34

Oh he’s never hit you. That’s ok then.

Let him leave. He’s an abusive cunt. You should have got him arrested a long time ago. Your dd is begging you to help her. Start doing your job and protect her

tiptopteepe · 20/01/2018 13:35

and i really think you should tell someone about this in real life. Get as much outside perspective as you can. Right now his is the loudest voice but you will see if you speak to unbiased people that his behaviour is utterly mental. Speak to anyone you can about it, your GP, womens aid, a friend... just get some real life peoples input so that you dont end up being brainwashed and gaslighted into taking him back again.

ptumbi · 20/01/2018 13:44

Oh - and he NOT a lovely man. He is not even in the neighbourhood of a 'lovely man'.

He is a woman beater - no, a child-beater. Angry

A young girl beater. Angry

MamaBearto2 · 20/01/2018 13:45

Your both just showing your daughter that it's ok for a man to be abusive to her!

Teenagers are gobby, that's no excuse to be violent towards them

ThinkingQueSeraSera · 20/01/2018 13:54

He's never hurt you.

Well that's fine then. Crack on OP.

You know you're going to lose your daughter l, don't you?

DutchSmartie · 20/01/2018 13:57

Not sure where my message went. I mentioned he didn't hurt me, not as a justification, but in response to a specific question. I'm not justifying his behaviour. it has happened 3 times in the past 2 years - i guess each time we'd speak (shout) about it, and he would indicate that it wouldn't happen again (without really admitting it had happened). The last time (the bed incident) was several months ago.
My question was around his fury over her (in his view) over-reacting when he (for example) taps her hand out of the way. I'm in no way condoning what he has done. It may never happen again, or it may. He is still here, hasn't left yet.

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Ijustwantabloodyusername · 20/01/2018 13:58

Lock the doors as soon as his abusive arse is out of the house.

Your poor Daughter.

Ijustwantabloodyusername · 20/01/2018 14:00

I'm in no way condoning what he has done. It may never happen again, or it may. He is still here, hasn't left yet.

Your Daughter needs protecting from him, not wondering if it will ever happen again.

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