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What to expect with Social Services inviting themselves into our lives and accusing my partner of domestic abuse?

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mumof2beebies · 26/04/2011 15:31

Hi, we have a meeting coming up with social services to find out 'how they can support us' I'm skeptical and didn't ask for this.
Bassically me and my partner have two children, a 4yo with special needs and a 1 year old. Me and him were arguing alot and a few months ago I called the police because he locked me out of the house, they came and I apologized for wasting their time and they said well we're gonna have to send a note to social services because of the the domestic alteration, even though there was no violence, me and him made up instantly and I regreted calling them over something stupid like that. We had the lead of our Caf support team come out to see us (they meet up to support us with my 4 yr old getting everything he needs, he's in need of a diagnosis right now, because of all his delays). The early years support worker came out to do a home check and said it's all fine, I joked that my partner had his own room (we have 2 living rooms, one a kids room and one with a huge tv and xbox, my partner does spend most of his time with us and certainly does half the chores and parenting). We are equal. so he asked to speak to me alone and questioned whether my partner was controlling, I said no of course not.
Then a few weeks later we broke up breifly (last month.) I stayed in a hostel for a couple of days, then wanted to come home with the kids because me and my partner felt ready after our little break. But the person leading the CAF team (that we've only ever met twice) called and said that he doesn't think I'm being honest with him and that he thinks I must have been scared to leave in 'such a rush' and go to a hostel. I said no, I just needed to get away from the silly bickering, but we're okay now, and it's much worse for the kids in this hostel, we'd all picked up infections and the kids were missing their dad. The CAF team leader 'support worker' said no he thinks I'm not being honest and he thinks I'm a victim of some kind of domestic violence or abuse, because he knows that my son wet the bed and seems angry, I said that's because of his special needs, he doesn't even know my child. I said that's ridiculous, that I would be a victim of anything to my partner, I'm perfectly half to blame for our argument. He said well he'll be telling the social services he thinks the children are at risk if I go back, because he thinks my son's behaviour is systoms of trauma. (but we're quite sure he's autistic). So I stayed in the hostel for about 2 weeks, isolated with both kids, because I was scared social services would take the kids off me. I was then hospitalised with a bad chest infection I picked up from the hostel, because I have immuno-deficiency disease and was in hospital for a week on oxygen and all sorts. I get ill often, that's one reason why my partner is such an intrinsinc part of our lives, he does a lot of the parenting. I was in hospital for just over a week and my partner looked after our children and took good care of them and brought them to see me every day, because he's a good dad to them. He gets our son ready and takes him to nursery every day while I sleep in the morning with our baby, that's what kinda dad he is. Anyway, this support worker found out my partner was looking after the kids and called social services. A social worker came out to visit us along with our usual health visitor on the day I was discharged so I got to come to the meeting back at our house, and my partner's mum was there as she had been helping with the care of the children, like she usually does.
The social worker said they must have got their wires crossed, there doesn't appear to be domestic violence as I've never accused him of it, there's no evidence of it, etc, therefor no grounds for social services involvement, and she said of course I can come home, without any worry of them. So we were unbelievably relieved, went and got my things from the hostel and all moved home and we've been happy since.
Then last week the social worker called me and told me that she spoke to the hostel manager and she said that I had told her they'd been domestic abuse, which is false, and she only got this idea from the 'support' worker who was threatening me with SS if I went back, as they spoke on the phone on a few occasions, as he'd instructed her not to let my partner visit me and my kids. When I arrived at the hostel I did have a long talk with her and say that I'm sick of the arguing, as it obviously peaked before I left and that he had locked me out of the house. So the social worker repeated back to me that I'd said he had locked me out of the house (as the worst example they could could up with for there being 'domestic abuse/violence') and I said yes, that did happen but I'm not a victim of DV, I've locked him out before, for gods sakes. The social worker fobbed off what I was saying and declared that they were going to get involved to see how they can help, now.
So Social Services are getting involved now under the false ASSumption that my partner is abusive and I'm a victim of DV.
I want to tell them not to come near us, as we have enough support already from the CAF team, including the nursery manager, our health visitor and speach and language person and such, and I'm quite pro-active in arranging all the appointments for my son's special needs.

Do I have any legal right to tell them to go to hell?? I'm so stressed, that they're doing this, as I know they look for everything possible wrong, and they're scare mongerers, and that they can threaten to take the kids off us if we don't seperate, if they feel like it.
It's also slander to both of us, my partner obviously, and also to me for suggesting that I'd have my kids around DV.

What do we do?

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BabyDubsEverywhere · 28/04/2011 00:11

'We've had a good relationship now for a few'

OP, that doesnt count as a good relationship...until you are another year down the line with no hiccups i dont think you can really count this as a repaired relationship, and I dont think SS will either. Your youngest child is only 1, and you say 'the children' with reference to the locking each other out, the police intervention, the arguments, the shouting, the hostel.... thats a hell of a lot of crap in a year or so dont you think?

With ref to your first baby, for which i am truely sorry, i cant imagine how that feels, but do you really think there was no good reason? You have already explained that staying in hostels was a normal part of your youth, that your homelife was volatile, you went into foster care so i assume an unsupportive family, you were depressed, you are confrontational now so i can imagine only more so as a teen (all our worst attributes seem worse as teens Smile ) They are just the reasons picked up from one thread on the internet. You cant see what is wrong with your current situation, perhaps there was more to your first childs adoption than you understand?

I know this post seems so negative and i really dont mean it to be, Im just trying to portray that you dont seem to recognise the problems in the right way...in the way that other people see them. The staying at your MIL when you argue next is a prime example. You shouldnt need that kind of back up. A healthy relationship would not require such backup.

You need to get your head around the whole thing, but I think you need to be really honest with yourself ....

I hope you can work with SS and help break this cycle, for your childrens sake

BabyDubsEverywhere · 28/04/2011 00:14

'We've had a good relationship now for a few weeks' Sorry, missed WEEKS Blush

BluePyjamas · 28/04/2011 00:22

OP did you post here when you were pregnant with your baby? I think I remember it.

ZhenXiang · 28/04/2011 00:28

this organisation has some useful information for people dealing with social services contact, they also have lots of useful links to help you.

queenbathsheba · 28/04/2011 00:41

I can understand why you now feel that ss are manipulative and can acknowledge that whilst you were so young ( a child yourself) you perhaps were not given enough support to cope. Most young women could be placed with their baby in foster care. However as babydubs says in her post at the time the social worker may have felt that your chaotic life at home with your parents had effected your ability to parent your child. (I was an awful teenager even though I had a great family!)

You mention that you have a good relationship with your HV who is very supportive, she is your ally, as long as she has no concerns about domestic violence, abuse or neglect and she feels you need support but essentially you are "caring" parents, her opinion will have quite a lot of sway. Up to this point she is the most aquainted with your children's circumstances.

Only you know what you have discussed with your HV and her opinion about your sons developmental delay. You seem to have shared some of your frustrations with her about your arguements which seems to imply that you have some insight and some will to change and you are being honest with her. This hopefully will help you.

Try not to be defensive, be honest and ask if they can support you in anyway you think might help. If you are proactive, open and honest the outcome will be far better.

PlopPlopPing · 28/04/2011 09:56

I wonder if anything can be done now about what happened with your first child? I don't know anything about this (someone on Legal might), but I'm wondering if there could be an investigation into what occured 10 years ago? I am also wondering if it is possible for you to have contact with your first child. I know they were adopted but I have heard some people mentioning open adoptions on here (like I say I dont really know what I'm talking about), I imagine you must miss your first child terribly!

I feel so sorry for you as it sounds like you had a really hard start to life. I think whatever happens counselling would be a good idea.

mumof2beebies · 28/04/2011 10:36

Yeah I posted while pregnant, think I was freaking out about SS back then, too.

Our health visitor is a really nice italian woman, she was saying 'oh please come back' 'we've all wondered where you were' 'we want to support you' etc
It was so relieving when she said all of that in front of the social worker. After I'd been staying in the hostel because one particular support worker said I'm a victim and I better not come back. nThe social worker saw my partner with our 4yo son, spoke to kids grandma, listened to me, and said she's closing the case as there's no evidence of DV or DA. Then when she called back after a week she said she'd spoke to the hostel manager, and the hostel manager had been in a lot of contact with that particular support worker, (who thinks my partner's abusive) and she told the social worker that she thinks I'm a victim and hiding it. So the social worker wasn't acting caring anymore (I thought she was brilliant on that first meeting) and says they'll be opening up a case, because there now is reason to believe there's DV.
The hostel manager said I'd described DV/DA to her. That's not true, I confided in her that I was tired of arguing and he'd locked me out the house. But if she'd heard his side of the story he could also seem as a victim. She was massively swayed in her opinion by what that idiot support worker had been saying to her on the phone.

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mumof2beebies · 28/04/2011 10:44

I could have contact with my 10 year old if I wanted, as the SS accidentally gave me the information on where he is, which isn't supposed to be done in adoptions. Probably one of their mildest mistakes I've seen.
I would prefer the adoptive parents to agree to it though. I'm in talks with them now.
I left a present at the door so they know that I know where they live.
lol I could make a TV drama out of all this.
But no, my son if fortunate that he has bveen given good parents, and I like to (/am trying to) think that this all happened for a reason, cause it's how it meant to be. My only concern is whether they've been able to love him more than I do. I know they've given him stability and all the material things he needs. I just hope they love him like I do.

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Morloth · 28/04/2011 12:15

They think your DP is abusive because that is what they have told them (by calling the police and claiming he had kicked you out).

What kind of man after an argument where one of you has to go allows it to be his wife and two small children?

It is abusive to lock you out during an argument, it is abusive to kick you and the babies out.

You have to see that. Your kids are growing up in a really unstable and volatile environment. As everyone else has said it isn't normal to fight like that, it isn't normal to need somewhere to 'run' to.

homeboys · 28/04/2011 12:39

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mumof2beebies · 28/04/2011 12:42

It's absolutely not volatile. It was getting that way for a couple of days before I left.
Volatile to me, means nastiness and fighting, it's not like that 98% of the time, and it won't get like that again, because we both know when to go get some fresh air now.
His mother lives next door, he can go round there if things got so terrible, I said that cause I thought they'd like to hear we have that support from her.
It's not exactly a drastic step of fleeing to go next door if we're stressing with each other.

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mumof2beebies · 28/04/2011 12:44

Flippen heck, I hear of people beating their kids constantly around this villiage, we would never do that, we absolutely love our kids, anyone can see, so it's unfair for people to jump on us, when we're working it out quite well anyway

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mumof2beebies · 28/04/2011 12:47

homeboys, thanks, I am writing to them through the childsnatcher postbox thing now, because they've asked me to do that instead, and I know my relationship with them needs to be good, so I can get my son back into my life in future.

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mumof2beebies · 28/04/2011 12:58

ohkay, I'll remember that it's my actions that's made them worried and get involved. I hope I can explain how it's better for us to stay together though, because things are so much better now. Also I'm gonna ask if my boy can have extra nursery hours, because he loves nursery so much and is a really good boy when he gets home. So I'll try and get some support from them at the same time. It's just the worry that with their involvement they might start them nit picking about a bit of mess or something like I've heard of them doing a lot :/

Blah, this social worker seems good though so I'm sure we'll get through it.
I know this time to get a lawyer involved if they try anything

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DillyDaydreaming · 28/04/2011 13:04

Thinking of you mumof2beebies - just remember they are there to help. Did nobody suggest a lawyer last time? It's usually advised if they go down a legal route - usually they advise it themselves.

Hope things settle down for you all.

PlopPlopPing · 28/04/2011 13:23

I hope you get the contact you want with your son. It must have been heartbreaking!

EricNorthmansMistress · 28/04/2011 13:47

Please stop referring to them as childsnatchers. That attitude is unhelpful to you and everyone.

I really understand why you feel so fearful. I work with teenagers in care and have supported several young mums through CP and care proceedings. I can see that some SWs are over zealous and unsympathetic to teenage mums with care history. I also know that a young care experienced mum can adore her child to pieces yet also not be well enough equipped to parent effectively. It's a horrible, awful situation for any young woman who loses their child because their own experiences of being abused has made them unable to parent.

You are not that 15 year old any more. You are a 25 year old woman with two DCs who have lived with you since birth. Believe me, they do not want to remove your DC. I will tell you a story - (some details changed obv) a young woman had a baby at a younger age than you were. She was in care. The father of the baby was abusive. The baby was adopted. The young woman was later involved in a terrible crime. Several years later this young woman got pg by someone else. She was allowed to keep the baby under supervision. Even when things got bad a couple of years in and there was talk of care proceedings she still kept him/her.

Even if you had an over zealous SW, they would have to convince a huge number of people that your DC would be better living with other people over you. Do you know how unlikely that is?

If you are honest with them about the difficulties you have faced, the ways in which your early experiences have affected your parenting, and your anxieties over SSD involvement, then you will have nothing to worry about. Accept any suggestions and engage with work, even if you think it's a waste of time. I would be chuffed if I could access relationship counselling for free - it's a rare marriage that couldn't be improved and yours sounds no different. Some counselling for you to address your expectations of relationships would be useful. And be honest about how and why you lied to housing. Never, ever do that again. A hostel is not a normal place to go to when you are in difficulties. I accept you may not have family around, but the usual thing to do if you are fighting with your P is for one to move out to friends or family for a day or two. Not present at housing and request emergency accommodation.

Your family life is not ideal (whose is?) and probably needs improving. You have made yourselves known to the authorities by involving the police and housing and you now have to accept that they are worried about your children. They can help you to improve your childrens' lives. Who wouldn't want that?

mumof2beebies · 28/04/2011 13:47

Thanks for the sympathy plop, lol bless ya, it was a long time ago now, so I more focus on the positives of getting back in touch with him.
When it all happened, I had no idea there would be a risk of him being adopted, it seemed really sudden, they turned round and said, right we're going to adopt him, get a lawyer, but we never lose.
They were obviously scared of losing at the hearing though, to try so hard to get me to sign the papers? I refused to. It looked like I was going to win him back because I had the mother and baby unit manager come to court and say they had a place for me and my son and that they can help us. And the court appointed child guardian (says what's best for the child in court) said I should definately be given a chance with support as I hadn't done anything wrong. She did get a bit upset in court, trying to help get us back together.
I couldn't believe it when we lost, the lawyer said SS wouldn't go with a mother and baby unit because they'd have to pay out a grand a week for it, and they were already in debt or something. They seemed like monsters.
Me and the barister and lawyer and my dad sat together after wards saying how they really thought I would have got him back.
Because they'd cut down my contact with my son to an hour a week in the months before the hearing, I guess the judge didn't see my son as knowing me as a mum anyway, so thought he may aswel go to family who were perfectly ready for him.

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mumof2beebies · 28/04/2011 13:57

Okay, I'm not worried about them taking my 4yo he wouldn't be too adoptable, but my 1yo is still small and has no problems, so I can't help thinking there's a risk of them wanting him to go to aperfect adoptive family.

But more what my real worry is, that they may force us to break up, as it's normal procedure for when they assume someones abusive.

If they say to us they don't want to break us up, then I'll take everything they offer. I wouldn't find counselling. I agree we could benefit from relationship counselling, and trying to get quicker diagnosis for my boy.
I'm trying to think of that good stuff.
I'm just worried about them thinking I'm hiding something. Maybe if I open up about the support we could use, I'll come across as more honest and stuff.
It's when they're suspicious it causes stress.

By the way, it was just SS and one judge who decided on the adoption.

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mumof2beebies · 28/04/2011 13:59

I wouldn't mind counselling

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mumof2beebies · 28/04/2011 14:05

plop, it is devastating, I wanted to die for a few years, but I got strong, and decided I would be a good mother, and show them.
I have a childhood friend who suffered depression and had two babies as a teen, swiped off her. She is a real mess. And there's at least 3 other girls from where I lived who went through it in the same couple of years. SS adopting their children.
My family don't know of this stuff happening on such a scale when they were young, or even when I was a kid. I don't believe teen mums have suddenly become incapable risks to their children from the year 2000 onwards. That's why I suspect those government targets and bonuses had something to do with it all. But they stopped all that, so maybe they don't focus on getting adoptions now? sigh anyway,

My babies now, are the light of my life, so I don't think I'm anymore depressed than the next person these days

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mathanxiety · 28/04/2011 17:06

Please stop quibbling and splitting hairs about what the word volatile means.

And please do not tell SS that your plan of action to deal with the problems in the relationship involves leaving the house for either one of you, if/when things get out of hand. That is not a plan. It is no change at all from what has been going on up to now.

As Homeboys says, you must never again leave a present for your first child. Showing the parents that you know where they and the child live amounts to stalking and could be interpreted as an aggressive intrusion into their lives. When it comes to that first child, you must assume the adoptive parents love him and take care of him lovingly, and when it comes to your relationship with him, you must put him and the relationship with the adoptive parents first. His bond with them is extremely important to him. Your feelings for him are of course extremely important to you, but as always, it is the child's relationships as seen from his point of view that must be put first here and not yours. You really should ask SS if there is any possibility of counselling for you to deal with the loss of that first child.

You need to ask yourself how the reintroduction of yourself into the child's life might feel for the child and not just for you. I think that pursuing this relationship at this time without any thought expressed as to what impact it might have on the child or on the family relationship he has now would not look good, as it shows a person who is quite wrapped up in her own drama and not really seeing how the child's best interests might be served through all of this.

Please sit down with your DP and get the phone book out and book yourselves into Relate before the meeting. You need an actual plan to look at things objectively and start improving. You need to acknowledge that 'things are going ok right now' and 'we will go next door instead of to the hostel' are not going to impress anyone, because both of those statements show you really do not understand what a normal relationship should consist of and what damage a volatile (yes it is volatile) relationship can do to children, and you need to be able to do this if SS are going to find you credible when you insist there isn't abuse and you have the best interests of your DCs in mind.

mathanxiety · 28/04/2011 17:08

I want to add, what's coming through loud and clear from your posts is how strong your need is to be loved and how much of that need is being fulfilled by your children.

BabyDubsEverywhere · 28/04/2011 17:46

OP Im sorry but i really dont think you are getting this, you are talking conspiracy stories with ref to SS, escape plans, asking peole to view your relationship based on the last couple of weeks rather than all the time before that, hostels being normal, comments on wealthly families getting away with the same behaviour, 'child snatchers'.

SS are involved with your family because to have alerted the authorities to a volatile relationship and two kids being dragged through the mud. They arent picking on you, it isnt a witch hunt. You basically told them you needed help. So they have come to help.

Please, please take some time to take stock of your life from an outsiders point of view, your attitude to the whole thing oozes from these posts so god only knows what ss/authorities are picking up from you.

They are not the enemy, they are there to look after children who arent being properly cared for. All your posts are from your POV, your take on things, your feelings about things. They dont care about you right now. They care about the children, they are their first priority. Try and put yourself in the childrens position. Are they your first priority??

mumof2beebies · 28/04/2011 18:15

mathanxiety, I think that's great advice. Thank you.
It's stuff I'm going to follow. Me and DP have agreed that counselling would be good, so we will take steps to get into that asap now you mention it.
About my first son, I have taken a few months to consider what my next step is there, in a way I would like to send him another present straight from a manufacturor, because I know he was happy with my last present and that he's enjoy it if I did it again.
However the adoptive parents asked me to do things through letterbox, and I'm thinking I need to respect their wishes right now, cause I know his a-dad is getting quite protective. They wrote to me to say how lovely it was to hear from me, but it was a shock and that they won't give him presents in future if I leave them on the door step.

So I do feel a little impulsive to make him happy in an immediate sense by ordering a present for his birthday, but I'm more likely to go along with the a-parents wishes now, and I appreciate your advice on that.

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