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What to expect with Social Services inviting themselves into our lives and accusing my partner of domestic abuse?

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mumof2beebies · 26/04/2011 15:31

Hi, we have a meeting coming up with social services to find out 'how they can support us' I'm skeptical and didn't ask for this.
Bassically me and my partner have two children, a 4yo with special needs and a 1 year old. Me and him were arguing alot and a few months ago I called the police because he locked me out of the house, they came and I apologized for wasting their time and they said well we're gonna have to send a note to social services because of the the domestic alteration, even though there was no violence, me and him made up instantly and I regreted calling them over something stupid like that. We had the lead of our Caf support team come out to see us (they meet up to support us with my 4 yr old getting everything he needs, he's in need of a diagnosis right now, because of all his delays). The early years support worker came out to do a home check and said it's all fine, I joked that my partner had his own room (we have 2 living rooms, one a kids room and one with a huge tv and xbox, my partner does spend most of his time with us and certainly does half the chores and parenting). We are equal. so he asked to speak to me alone and questioned whether my partner was controlling, I said no of course not.
Then a few weeks later we broke up breifly (last month.) I stayed in a hostel for a couple of days, then wanted to come home with the kids because me and my partner felt ready after our little break. But the person leading the CAF team (that we've only ever met twice) called and said that he doesn't think I'm being honest with him and that he thinks I must have been scared to leave in 'such a rush' and go to a hostel. I said no, I just needed to get away from the silly bickering, but we're okay now, and it's much worse for the kids in this hostel, we'd all picked up infections and the kids were missing their dad. The CAF team leader 'support worker' said no he thinks I'm not being honest and he thinks I'm a victim of some kind of domestic violence or abuse, because he knows that my son wet the bed and seems angry, I said that's because of his special needs, he doesn't even know my child. I said that's ridiculous, that I would be a victim of anything to my partner, I'm perfectly half to blame for our argument. He said well he'll be telling the social services he thinks the children are at risk if I go back, because he thinks my son's behaviour is systoms of trauma. (but we're quite sure he's autistic). So I stayed in the hostel for about 2 weeks, isolated with both kids, because I was scared social services would take the kids off me. I was then hospitalised with a bad chest infection I picked up from the hostel, because I have immuno-deficiency disease and was in hospital for a week on oxygen and all sorts. I get ill often, that's one reason why my partner is such an intrinsinc part of our lives, he does a lot of the parenting. I was in hospital for just over a week and my partner looked after our children and took good care of them and brought them to see me every day, because he's a good dad to them. He gets our son ready and takes him to nursery every day while I sleep in the morning with our baby, that's what kinda dad he is. Anyway, this support worker found out my partner was looking after the kids and called social services. A social worker came out to visit us along with our usual health visitor on the day I was discharged so I got to come to the meeting back at our house, and my partner's mum was there as she had been helping with the care of the children, like she usually does.
The social worker said they must have got their wires crossed, there doesn't appear to be domestic violence as I've never accused him of it, there's no evidence of it, etc, therefor no grounds for social services involvement, and she said of course I can come home, without any worry of them. So we were unbelievably relieved, went and got my things from the hostel and all moved home and we've been happy since.
Then last week the social worker called me and told me that she spoke to the hostel manager and she said that I had told her they'd been domestic abuse, which is false, and she only got this idea from the 'support' worker who was threatening me with SS if I went back, as they spoke on the phone on a few occasions, as he'd instructed her not to let my partner visit me and my kids. When I arrived at the hostel I did have a long talk with her and say that I'm sick of the arguing, as it obviously peaked before I left and that he had locked me out of the house. So the social worker repeated back to me that I'd said he had locked me out of the house (as the worst example they could could up with for there being 'domestic abuse/violence') and I said yes, that did happen but I'm not a victim of DV, I've locked him out before, for gods sakes. The social worker fobbed off what I was saying and declared that they were going to get involved to see how they can help, now.
So Social Services are getting involved now under the false ASSumption that my partner is abusive and I'm a victim of DV.
I want to tell them not to come near us, as we have enough support already from the CAF team, including the nursery manager, our health visitor and speach and language person and such, and I'm quite pro-active in arranging all the appointments for my son's special needs.

Do I have any legal right to tell them to go to hell?? I'm so stressed, that they're doing this, as I know they look for everything possible wrong, and they're scare mongerers, and that they can threaten to take the kids off us if we don't seperate, if they feel like it.
It's also slander to both of us, my partner obviously, and also to me for suggesting that I'd have my kids around DV.

What do we do?

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Maryz · 26/04/2011 18:17

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SeenButNotHeard · 26/04/2011 18:22

OP - just to let you know, Children's Services can not remove children without a court order. The Police are the only organisation to be able to take immediate action through Police Protection.

Think about what this looks like to the social worker completing their initial assessment...

  • You call police because of a domestic dispute and being locked out of the house with children inside.
  • You apporach SSD stating that you have been kicked out of the house by your partner and need emergency accommodation
  • Hostel manager tells them that you described domestic abuse
  • Another support worker shares fears that you are in an abusive relationship
  • Eldest child is not meeting developmental milestones - no current diagnosis, so reason for this is not clear at present.
  • You have significant helath concerns
  • As a family you are under acute stress because of immenent homelessness

Can you understand why the LA would at least be concerned by what is presented? Now, at least some of that is of your own making, particularly if you misrepresented to the housing department your need for emergency housing; you have to take responsiblity for that.

If I were you, I would go to the meeting armed with the truth about your domestic situation, acknowledging the strain that you and your partner are under and work with Children's Services about what would really help you. Think about suggesting:
Relationship counselling
Anger management
Housing Advice, maybe debt management (sorry if this is jumping to conclusions)
Parenting Support
Emergency support if your health deteriorates again

It is really important that you are honest from now on - both with professionals, and with yourself.

mumof2beebies · 26/04/2011 18:35

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I don't like arguing in front on my babies,a dn we need all the help we can get, I agree, because as every other child moves forward, my little boy is not, which is heartbreaking, he needs a diagnoses and a one on one assistant for school so he's not left in situations where people don't understand him.
I'll just focus on what they can help us with concerning our kids, rather than getting defensive about some assumptions that were made.

al0uiseG
I take drugs, mainly antibiotics, and extra vitamins and then some tobacco lately. How about you?

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mumof2beebies · 26/04/2011 18:38

Seenbutnot herd.
Thank you it's helpful to look at thing from how they will be seeing it.
Thanks for that, I'll show my partner too.

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GypsyMoth · 26/04/2011 18:39

why tobacco when you have the health problems you listed earlier??? how does tobacco help?

rosie1979 · 26/04/2011 18:42

mumoftwo - Do you think its normal to go to hostels because you were taken there as a child? Because it sounds as if you are repeating a pattern that your children will follow - they may think it is normal which it is not - council estate or not.

I think you are having a hard time but truthfully I can see why social services are concerned. You told the council that your dh had kicked you out - and are now surprised that this has been used against you.

It seems like you are giving out a lot of mixed messages.

If I were you I would concentrate on making life as normal as possible for the kids and think about relationship counselling.

mumof2beebies · 26/04/2011 18:47

I loveTIFFANY
Tobacco does seem to have help, actually, it's been sooo stressful. Nowander the native americans used it to help them pray/meditate/spek with the creator.
I do know it's bad for you in the longrun though, so I'm slowly weaning myself back off it.

Thanks rosie, and all

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KatharineClifton · 26/04/2011 18:53

I hope you are able to drop the defensive/scared attitude and are able to be honest with the social worker when they visit. It looks to me like you do have problems that would interfere with good parenting. You are lucky tbh that there is somebody taking an interest, and hopefully this will lead to the help that can be of benefit to your children.

Good luck!

KatharineClifton · 26/04/2011 18:54

Oh, and stop the rubbish about smoking being helpful. Smoking actually makes you more stressed as you are constantly needing another fix.

PlopPlopPing · 26/04/2011 19:04

Hi OP, I think a lot of people on here are giving you are hard time. All couples argue and sometimes it gets a little heated. Think the two of you need to work on listening to each other though and how to communicate so that it doesn't get to the stage where you are locking each other out of the house or that you feel the need to leave.

I think you need to start really considering how important stability is in your families life and not get into the habit of going to hostels. I realise that it was how your parents dealt with things but if the two of you learnt to sort out disagreements in a calmer way it shouldn't come to that.

I think maybe being honest with SS is the only way. Some sort of couples counselling wouldn't hurt either. Partly because of what you would both learn from it (which are skills your children will copy) and partly because SS will see that you are both working on creating a calmer and more stable environment for your family.

itsabiggywhatdoidonow · 26/04/2011 19:05

itsabiggywhatdoidonow, your kidding surely

not kidding one little bit, she describes some classic manifestation of mild personality disorder in my experience.

mathanxiety · 26/04/2011 19:09

'al0uiseG
I take drugs, mainly antibiotics, and extra vitamins and then some tobacco lately. How about you?'

Under no circumstances should you come out with something like this tone at the meeting. In the first place it is very defensive to the point of prickliness, and in the second it is a sort of mocking of a serious issue, which may well be raised by the staff you will be talking with, and a legitimate question to ask, given the circumstances.

Tyr · 26/04/2011 19:18

I have some experience of these situations and know how quickly they can escalate so I think you need to handle this delicately. When S.S. call out, the two of you need to show a united front.
Most of all, you both need to accept that those kind of rows are going to affect the children. Calling the police and going into a hostel will have raised alarm; refusing to engage will likely make things worse.
Adults have rows and that is par for the course. If a woman reports them, they are classed as domestic abuse and all manner of non-child friendly outcomes become possible, usually involving the exclusion of the father.
I think the two of you need to take stock and keep your disagreements away from the children and the authorities in future.
As a matter of interest- you acknowledge that he is a good parent so why didn't you leave the kids with him in their familiar environment when you went to the hostel for a break?

Al0uiseG · 26/04/2011 19:22

Why are we coaching this woman on how to behave in front of SS? Let them make their own judgement.

I actually feel extremely sorry for her children and I'm glad that someone will be keeping an eye out for them in future.

Maryz · 26/04/2011 19:26

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mathanxiety · 26/04/2011 19:28

I think it is unwise to advise keeping disagreements or conflict to yourself. Better to seek help if there is a pattern than to possibly let things escalate.

I agree with AlOuiseg -- this isn't a case of SS vs OP and trying to pull one over on 'them'. What it should be is SS+OP+DP working together for the good of the children.

If you go to counselling or Relate or parenting classes or anger management training, do it sincerely, OP.

BeakerTheMuppetMuppet · 26/04/2011 19:39

Tyr

you have some very biased views there, it reads as though you have your own agenda.

IME, if DV/DA is proved then it's the perpetrator who's excluded male or female.

and advising this poster to keep things behind closed doors... Hmm

SeenButNotHeard · 26/04/2011 19:47

AlOuiseg - I don't think most people are 'coaching' if by that you mean describing how to 'fool' Children's Services.

Most have advised the OP to be honest with herself and with the LA.

Tyr · 26/04/2011 20:06

I'm not sure what "having your own agenda" means. If I have one, it is based on a knowledge of the law and how S.S. work.
"Proof" (in the forensic sense) has very little to do with it.
Relationship counselling is about the only sensible suggestion the OP has received.
I'm not suggesting they keep things behind closed doors, as such; rather that they deal with adult disagreements in an adult way that does not impact so heavily on the children.

BeakerTheMuppetMuppet · 26/04/2011 20:21

Ty

the part where you say there will be a non-child friendly solution sounds as if you do not believe that it's best for children to be removed from the situation.

and I think the two of you need to take stock and keep your disagreements away from the children and the authorities in future.

children yes...but authorities?

just wondered, that's all

Spero · 26/04/2011 20:22

I've now come back and read the whole thing again and I think the op has actually done really well in toning down the defensiveness and being more open to recognise problems.

I agree that nobody seems to be offering 'coaching' but just really good sound advice.

You need to be honest. No one can criticise you for being upset and finding it stressful, but you will make problems for yourself if you are perceived as defensive and flippant.

Please stop smoking if you can. You will be judged for that.

SS are only human and all of us can quickly get 'boxed in' by our perceptions of each other. You see them as babysnatchers, they see you as defensive crap mother who puts her man before her children.

I am in the middle of a really sad case at the moment where the father is only allowed to see his children supervised with a security guard outside the door because in a moment of stress he threatened to kill the social worker. He is sorry now and didn't mean it, but you can't blame her for being very scared and taking it seriously. It has probably delayed his reunification with his children by between six months to a year. Don't let this happen to you.

mumof2beebies · 26/04/2011 21:14

Thank you Tyr, it's interesting how people with experience or close ones with experience with SS see things a lot clearer.

I intend on admitting with them that the arguing is not good for the children, if it gets to the point of me feeling the need to leave for a few days.

We're not arguing now, so I just hope they don't try and tell us we have to live seperately, because that would not be good for the kids, them losing a parent, when we're okay and functioning well right now.

Spero, thanks
it's incredible how threatening a social worker is like stepping on the toe of god himself. If he'd had threatened anyone else sweet FA would have been done. I reported someone for threatening me once like that, they were female. Nothing happened to them at all.
That's the fear in this, their judgement, which can absolutely be wrong as they're mere humans also (incase anyone forgot) can cause catastrophic effects on families.

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Maryz · 26/04/2011 21:19

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Spero · 26/04/2011 21:56

I don't think the threat to kill was taken seriously just because it was addressed to a social worker. It was because it was a very emotional and aggressive threat directed at someone who was just doing her job and trying to protect his children (both of whom were seriously malnourished because the parents weren't feeding them enough - SW spent £50 of her own money to get them some food because she was so worried about the children on one home visit).

so it wasn't like two people having a scrap, both winding up the other.

I just use this an example, hopefully extreme, of what can happen if you push the 'evil babysnatchers' attitude.

BabyDubsEverywhere · 26/04/2011 21:57

Your children quite clearly need SS support....they have a chaotic homelife at best. Dipping into hostels for a 'break' is not normal behaviour from any section of society. The fact you find it such is sad to say the least. You are confrontational and have lied/misled the authorities a number of times.

You seem far to concerned about being made to leave your partner by SS than anything else. Your volatile relationship is unhealthy for children. They will have seen each parent be locked out the house, police visits, SS visits, leaving the family home, living in one room at a hostle, - these are not desirerable childhood memories being created here.

Quite honestly you need a wake-up call, love!

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