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Would you have had kids if you'd known how tough it was?

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Angiel · 21/07/2003 18:21

I don't know if I would have, its a bit late now though!!

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oliveoil · 22/07/2003 11:20

Aloha & Lindy - Can you believe that I was 'borderline' older mum when I went to the hosp for antenatal? Pass me my zimmer.

oliveoil · 22/07/2003 11:21

Aloha & Lindy - Can you believe that I was 'borderline' older mum when I went to the hosp for antenatal? Pass me my zimmer.

oliveoil · 22/07/2003 11:22

Er, how did that happen

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ThomCat · 22/07/2003 11:32

Oh yes, yes, yes.
My little girls had Down's so sometimes it's all a bit sad and stuff and lots of hospital visits, but I still wouldn't change it. I never wish i didn't have special needs child, I feel privilaged to be a part of her world and if I feel spiritual on days I'm honoured that I was chosed to be her Mum.
Being a parent is the best thing that has ever happened to me. It's not always easy but it's always rewarding and wonderful.
I love it!

bells2 · 22/07/2003 11:38

I have no regrets at all and am surprised at some of the comments here. I don't mean that in a critical way, I just genuinely hadn't appreciated that some parents feel that way and I salute your honesty.

I just feel now that through motherhood, I am in a different stage of my life. My 20's and early 30's were very self indulgent and materialistic and I am quite frankly, only too glad to have moved on to a more selfless and hugely more fulfilling way of life. I genuinely have no yearning to be once again teetering along to the Oxo Tower in a pair of Manolo's, give me a day on Brighton Pier with my 2 any day of the week.

Babybags · 22/07/2003 12:01

Wow, what an enlightening thread!! And here was I thinking I was a terrible mum for feeling so selfish all the time.

I feel guilty that I had such an easy pregnancy, such a beautiful dd, a wonderful dh and I still long for my old life (get a grip).I went to the gym everyday, sometimes 2x a day, I played competitive sport which meant I could eat as much as I like without gaining weight. I gained 52lbs during pregnancy and still have 20 to lose.

Dh and I spoke many times of having a baby but never made a decision. It happened by accident in the end (too much wine on hols) and dd will be the last - I can't believe the overwhelming sense of responsibilty I have especially on Mondays?!The only thing that keeps me going is my competitive streak which made me want to do pregnancy better than anyone else and now to have the cleanest, best fed and brightest baby in town. I know I'm very sad.

Having dd in France didn't help as even though I have friends here and speak a moderate amount of french, I still worry about getting help if something was wrong with dd. We also don't have the back up of family here.

People tell me it gets better as they get older but I have a friend with a 14 mth old and it scares me!!

Well, sorry for rambling but I feel better having "admitted" to you all how selfish I am.

Best wishes to those who are pregnant, don't take my experiences to heart - you'll be fine

karenanne · 22/07/2003 12:01

been reading this thread with great interest.my answer sometimes yes sometimes no.my dd is 3 and at the moment has been transformed from a great child into the child from hell!!loli love her to bits but with the constant trying to potty train(she starts preschool in sep),her attitude(adolescent)and sheer bloody mindedness(apparently she gets it from me),it doesnt help that im 4 1/2 months pregnant with a much wanted but unplanned baby!
sometimes i feel i cant cope and am the worst mother in the world but then she'll do something that totally amazes me that totally changes my mind!i am slightly concerned about the fact of having another and how we'll financially emotionally etc but we will and thats the main thing.
as for life before dd ...hasnt changed much ...did my partying/drinking etc years ago and had already outgrown it-god i sound old who would believe im only 30

aloha · 22/07/2003 12:02

When I referred earlier to thinking my friends' life is better without children, I didn't mean I envied them that - I've always wanted a child and am thrilled to bits with him. But I think some people are happier with, and others happier without. Tragically, you don't always know which you are until it is too late. I recently interviewed someone lovely who had had years of therapy before deciding to have a child. She is now the most besotted mother imaginable, but she's not sorry she waited until 40 and had therapy first to really sort out her thoughts. I also strongly believe you have to be a mother on your own terms - eg if you hate M&T groups you have to find another way for your child to socialise eg a nursery, where you don't have to be there. Madonna says she takes her daughter to work and shopping, and you can't imagine her at a M&T group!

Enid · 22/07/2003 12:06

Yeah but what mum would want Madonna as a role-model? I'd have more respect for her if she did put up with the monotony of a mother and toddler group!

Furball · 22/07/2003 12:14

I've found motherhood extremely hard and quite 'un-natural' in some respects. DS (23 months) is no picnic, he loves a good tantrum whenever possible. I've found over the last two years that life has changed, obviously and even though I think, god, just let me sit down, drink my coffee, put the shopping away, etc etc etc. I wouldn't change it for the world. I often think that life would be quite empty without DS. I am stopping at one though, I really couldn't cope with anymore. For those of you with older children - When can I look forward to a poo in peace?

lilymum · 22/07/2003 12:23

Some brutally honest posting here.

Since dd1 was born 4 years ago, I have struggled with recurring periods of restlessness, when I find it very difficult to reconcile my responsibilities as a mother with the loss of my old self - the one who didn't have to constantly put the needs of others first.

But it's an ongoing process, isn't it, acquiring the mental, physical, and spiritual resources needed to do this "job" properly. It's such a major process changing the priorities in your life for good, and I think that it is just unrealistic to expect to be able to do this over a relatively short period of time. I've come to the conclusion that it takes years to re-evaluate and adjust the entire focus of your life.

I also think you need to be actively wanting to make the change before it happens. I reckon it has taken the best part of 4 years for this to occur with me. I'm sure for others it can take much less time, much more - and perhaps, sometimes, never.

Would I have had children if I'd known all this beforehand? Yes, I would, although I don't find it comes easily. I am, slowly, learning to adapt. And I find what HZL said very true, especially the bit about imagining the more exciting and glamorous life that you would have had if you had remained childless. Making the most of what we have - and it is so much - is so much better than regretting what we have been and lost. I have found you can't live your life at peace with yourself if you're trying to get back to somewhere you just can't return to.

Enid · 22/07/2003 12:25

nice post lilymum, especially the last sentence

Angiel · 22/07/2003 12:42

My reasons for not doing it again, seem to be a bit different from some of you. I don't miss my old life at all, it wasn't particularly exciting before kids! I just don't think I'm a good enough mum to my children and that constantly failing at something (being a parent), that you wanted to do so well, is draining and depressing.

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Babybags · 22/07/2003 12:46

Hear what you say lilymum and I feel I'm not looking/expecting to return to my previous life, I just think that such a rosy picture is painted of life with kids that people like me feel isolated and guilty.

It took me 6wks to bond with my dd and that was a bit of a shock after watching countless birth progs on tv where all the new mums gazed lovingly into their babies eyes and professed undying and instant love for them.

I'm now wondering if it's in some way genetic as on talking to my mum, it appears she felt the same way when she had me. Btw she was 18yo and I'm 35 so age isn't the issue here.

I think my main worry now, feeling the way I do, is that dd will pick up on my frustrations and won't like/love me.Oh well, onwards and upwards!!

aloha · 22/07/2003 12:51

Funnily enough Enid, I used to think that, but I now think that if it helps you enjoy your children when you are with them, instead of resenting them, then I don't think it is at all wrong. I think you can be much happier parenting your way than following other people's rules about what makes a good parent. I can't stand M&T groups either, frankly. And when ds was tiny took him to cafes, out to lunch and shopping instead. Made no difference to him. I do take him to the park but have been known to read the paper while pushing the swing! However, I love to read to him, walk around the park with him totally aimlessly, have him potter around in the garden with me. And when he's older can't wait to revisit museums etc with him and go out to lunch as a family even more. I take him to the local wildlife garden quite a bit because I like it there, and luckily so does he. I used to love being taken to work by my mum. It was fascinating. So what if Madonna doesn't change dirty nappies? As someone here has said, "I love my husband but it doesn't mean I love washing his socks'. In fact, I love that quote so much, can I ask for permission to quote it? Mumsnet definitely credited before you all jump on me

aloha · 22/07/2003 12:55

Janstar, that was your quote!

Enid · 22/07/2003 13:03

But (sorry don't want to hijack thread) it IS quite a big deal that Madonna is proud of not changing nappies, isn't it? Doesn't that mean she is deliberately cherry picking her child's 'best' bits and missing out on the primal muckiness that is a real part of being a parent? I feel sorry for her personally.

Madonna is a rich entertainer who doesn't live on the same planet as most of us. Do you really think Madonna trawls round the shops with Lourdes and Rocco in the same way we do with our children? Yes, she pops into Bunny London with them to get free stuff. Big whup.

For the record, I don't like M & T groups either and neither of mine have been - mainly because they don't have many down here. But I do take dd1 to gym club every Friday and some days I really, really don't want to go and have the same dull conversations with people there - but I do go because dd1 and dd2 love it and not everything in my life is about me or my feelings.

iota · 22/07/2003 13:06

Sorry Enid can't agree with you there. Changing dirty nappies is a chore not a pleasure, and if I had a willing slave, I'd never change one again.
I certainly don't feel that I've missed out if ds2 does a poo at nursery....

Enid · 22/07/2003 13:07

Oh for gods sake. I don't love changing dirty nappies but its just part of it isn't it? Don't you just get on with it?

iota · 22/07/2003 13:15

Enid of course I just get on with it, the point is I don't think that the quality of my parenting would suffer if somebody else did it. You critised Madonna for not doing it and "missing out on the primal muckiness that is a real part of being a parent" I don't agree

codswallop · 22/07/2003 13:20

i sound crap. but this "job" is the best i have ever had! sorry i hate positive people

codswallop · 22/07/2003 13:21

i sound crap. but this "job" is the best i have ever had! sorry i hate positive people

codswallop · 22/07/2003 13:21

i sound crap. but this "job" is the best i have ever had! sorry i hate positive people

Enid · 22/07/2003 13:23

Yes, I do criticise Madonna for being proud of not doing it. I think its pathetic, frankly.

codswallop · 22/07/2003 13:24

sorry puter slow

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