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Francasaysrelax · 13/11/2009 09:54

Hello, welcome, benvenuti

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minervaitalica · 16/12/2009 18:05

oh nutella goooood... Have not had it since I was pregnant (it was my saturday morning treat!). Amatriciana also a good idea - perhaps tomorrow night...

Camo - my mother has a Bimby and uses it all the time (the old one - I believe the new one is far more high tech). For liquidising stuff there is nothing that equals it, and of course if you cook sth for 2-4 people (e.g. risotto) just by dumping all the ingredients in and putting it on. Pastry also really easy, together with chopping, pulverising etc etc . It also weights the ingredients as you put them in so you do not need to use much else, so limited washing up. The chef my mum goes to for lessons does have one too (she does high end catering for weddings etc etc).

However, for normal households it is only worth it if you use it all the time - which I probably would not. However, it is a rather unique product, it is reliable, and does the job it says on the tin without cutting any corners.

Anyway - still reeling from job interviews - the deal with DH (who wanted to move down here to start with) is that we will go back or go elsewhere if my professional life does not work out here. So we still have our flat in London just in case. The difficult bit is that here we have a lot of family help (great for DD), living standards are good (things work, schools are fine, the place is clean, 1 hr from seaside, 1 hr from ski slopes, 35 mins to the airport or 1h to a bigger one), and in general I do believe it is a better place to raise kids than any big city. If it was just me, there is no way I'd stay here - but with DD there are other considerations to make.
Career change still an option, but have to wait until uni entrance test next yr, so I still have to find sth to do in the meantime...

I am really sorry - to some extent I am being a spoilt brat. Have to get brain in gear as I am being a horrible mum.

Sputnik · 16/12/2009 19:50

Camo, you evil Nutella pusher!
Well, shockingly, it turns out I made some rather decent pizzette. I know this for a fact as I have eaten a few, I'm having a rare moment of peace as DH took the brats to eat at MIL's house while I did my lesson. Bliss!

Rosa · 16/12/2009 20:02

The only time I ate Nutella was when I was Pg . Of all things those small containers put in the freezer and then chopped off bits . I was doing those sponges with soft centres and I couldn't eat runny eggy cake so I put them in the middle instead ..... NOt really fussed about the stuff now.
Well done with the pizzette and how nice a peaceful evening .
DH is putting DD1 bike together I am begining to hate Hello kitty and I am going to have to push this dam bike for the next xxx years as it has to do minirosa as well !!! I wasn't there at the purchase or it would have been a plain one.....
Minerva I think many of us over here feel that way I think that here cannot offer as much as the Uk for my dd but dh job is her it cannot be moved and if we went to the Uk I would have to work probably FT and hard so I have to give way a bit. I am hoping that one day we can afford a house there as well . But seeing as we can't afford one here it is pretty doubtful. I had thought about going back to study but I don't think its worth it as I will not get anywhere 'career' wise over here so best stick to what I can do and enjoy it and be a mum .

TheMysticMasseuse · 16/12/2009 20:23

nutella is the real blessing of having children- my mum forbid (forbad? forbade?) it to us as children so i grew up with a massive catholic guilt/desire relationship with it. now i buy it without restraint, for dds you see, and we all have it for breakfast.

i'll prob be expelled from MN now!

i have a friend here who has a Bimbi and swears by it, in fact we make fun of her because she's such a bimbi evangelist! i have a normal moulinex type robot whcih i use a lot- don't feel the need for anything else really.

Minerva, not sure how to help you, it's horrible when you feel you are no longer in control of your life- that's what i feel like anyway, perhaps am projecting...

Camomilla · 16/12/2009 21:11

nutella was a real treat when we were kids, mainly for gite/spiaggia, i associate it with childhood summers - our french zii would come for a few weeks in the summer and rent a place at the beach so when they left they'd always leave us un-finished nutella jars. sometimes mum'd make it too...

Minerva, it's so difficult. I'd love to move back home to have family and friends around, 1 hr from beach, 1hr from mountains etc, but it would mean me looking for a ft job as it'd be even more difficult for dp to get one. it really hurts though seeing how much more fun and active ds is there because of the space my parents have (and the weather)...

sputnik, see, now you'll be asked to make pizzette all the time

Bum, thought about another quick one we love here, cherry tomatoes or tinned, just scottati in a little olive oil and then add basil and mozzarella a cubetti with the pasta. it's a favourite especially in the summer. a winter version of that is "pasta pizza", pasta bake basically, just with tinned tomatoes, mozzarella and olives, all mixed, then covered with slices of mozzarella. ds also loves pizza toast. basiccally a sandwich with concentrated tomato/thick passata, mozzarella, prosciutto toasted in tostabags (I toast the bread a bit before making the sandwich too) a real winner all round.

Sputnik · 16/12/2009 21:54

Might try that pizza toast, DD would love it. I had exactly tha thought about being asked to make pizza for the rest of DD's school career!

Nutella, don't like it tbh! Back in our beekeeping days though we used to make a mix of honey and hazelnut paste. We always gave out free tastes whenever we did a stall and sold loads of the stuff, it was really popular.

Sputnik · 16/12/2009 22:17

DH just sent me this article from Scientific American, might come in handy for the next bidet debate on here (actually we must be due one soon, it's been a few months)

Wipe or Wash? Do Bidets Save Forest and Water Resources?
Popular everywhere except North America, where Americans use 36.5 billion rolls of toilet paper annually, switching to bathroom bidets could save some 15 million trees

Once reserved for Europeans, bidets are now popular all over the world - except in North America.

Dear EarthTalk: Wouldn't a return to installing bidets in bathrooms at home go a long way toward cutting disposable tissue use and saving forests?
?Peter K., Albany, Ga.

Besides being more sanitary than toilet tissue, bidets?those squirty accessories so popular in Europe, Japan and elsewhere that clean your underside using a jet of water?are also much less stressful on the environment than using paper.

Justin Thomas, editor of the website metaefficient.com, considers bidets to be ?a key green technology? because they eliminate the use of toilet paper. According to his analysis, Americans use 36.5 billion rolls of toilet paper every year, representing the pulping of some 15 million trees. Says Thomas: ?This also involves 473,587,500,000 gallons of water to produce the paper and 253,000 tons of chlorine for bleaching.? He adds that manufacturing requires about 17.3 terawatts of electricity annually and that significant amounts of energy and materials are used in packaging and in transportation to retail outlets.

To those who say that bidets waste water, advocates counter that the amount is trivial compared to how much water we use to produce toilet paper in the first place. Biolife Technologies, manufacturer of the high-end line of Coco bidets, says the amount of water used by a typical bidet is about 1/8th of a gallon, with the average toilet using about four gallons per flush. Lloyd Alter of the website treehugger.com reports that making a single roll of toilet paper requires 37 gallons of water, 1.3 kilowatt/hours (KWh) of electricity and some 1.5 pounds of wood. Thomas points out that toilet paper is also a public nuisance in that it clogs pipes and adds a significant load onto city sewer systems and water treatment plants.

?Basically, the huge industry of producing toilet paper could be eliminated through the use of bidets,? offers Thomas, who has been testing different toilet-seat mounted units for the past two years. He would like to someday pair a bidet with a composting sawdust toilet for the ultimate green bathroom experience.

Once reserved for Europeans, bidets are now popular all over the world?except in North America. Thomas reports that 60 percent of Japanese households today have high-tech bidets made by Toto called Washlets, while some 90 percent of Venezuelan homes have bidets. Most people use a small amount of paper to dry their posteriors after the bidet has done its job, but more expensive air-drying models dispense with the need for paper altogether. Thomas adds that bidets provide important health benefits such as increased cleanliness and ?the therapeutic effect of water on damaged skin (think rashes or hemorrhoids).?

On the public health front, bidet maker BioRelief reports that almost 80 percent of all infectious diseases are passed on by human contact and that only about half of us actually wash our hands after using the facilities?making hands-free bidets a safer alternative all around. ?If you don?t have to use your hands at all then there is less chance of passing or coming in contact with a virus,? claims the company. BioRelief?s full featured BidetSpa sells for $549, but Lloyd Alter reports that consumers willing to go without heated water and air-drying mechanisms can get a perfectly adequate one they can install themselves for less than $100, such as the Blue Bidet, which retails for just $69.

Camomilla · 16/12/2009 23:03

lovely article , you're right,, haven't seen a bidet thread for a while...

how difficult/demanding is beekeeping? I actually don't like honey, unless is in hot choc milk, but I was reading about the need for bees etc the other day and I also wanted to see if it's true that if you eat local honey then you don't suffer so much with hayfever...

Sputnik · 17/12/2009 09:06

Hmm, as a hayfever sufferer I can probably knock that one on the head I'm afraid. Most people are allergic to grass pollen, which bees don't go on so won't end up in honey.

It is kind of demanding in that there are certain times of year when you have to do things otherwise you will miss the boat and the bees will end up swarming, or not producing honey or whatever. Also for the last few years there has been a parasite that lives on bees so they need treating every year.

However they are fascinating and it is very satisfying making your own honey. If you are interested though you have to do a course with a real beekeeper and real bees, it's not something you can learn from books.

Shall we start a bidet thread?

PincoPallino · 17/12/2009 09:16

If you start a bidet thread I can add a comment on rinsing dishes so we catch due piccioni con una fava !

PincoPallino · 17/12/2009 09:19

I cannot believe the AK thread is still going... !

Francagoestohollywood · 17/12/2009 13:04

Oh hello, so sorry I missed the lovely convo yesterday!
Sputnik, well done with the pizzette! and great article on bidets!

Lysoform: I don't actually buy it often, at the moment I'm using Mastro Lindo. The only detersivo I'm loyal to is Chante Claire "Sgrassatore universale" which is brillinat for almost everything (you can even spray it on stains before popping the laundry into the washing machine).

Minerva, when are you going to invite us all for dinner ? Looks like you and your mum are the nigellas (or even better) of FVG .
I'm sorry you are still feeling down about your career. I agree that yes, one of the biggest problems in Italy is the level of our salaries (and very little mobility/flexibility). However, you might have had to invest all your income in private schooling in London , you don't need to do that here (unless gelmini manages to destroy our system in a very short time )

Today I have dd's school play and ds's pagella. aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa

Sputnik · 17/12/2009 13:38

I clean everything in the kitchen with washing up liquid, seems to work fine. Just ocasionally I use anti calcare on the sink as the water is hard round here.

You have abandoned us and have been spending your evenings watching The Wire, haven't you Franca

TheMysticMasseuse · 17/12/2009 18:38

wow LI has gone all stira e ammira, am impressed by you stepford lot

this morning dd1 had her nativity play, as a cow (!) teacher said lovely goodbye to her, i was misty eyed but holding it together, then her best friend (the little boy she loves "because he's naughty") came to hug her and tell her that he will miss her so much and i just started crying... it's all been downhill from there.

flying to rome tomorrow morning to drop dds, dd2 febbre a 38... obviously..

Rosa · 17/12/2009 18:58

Oh MM it must be soo hard for you and now dd witha febbre I have just put 3 sachets of Calpol in the hand luggage ( domani we have dd2 recita so I am trying to get ahead!!)
Franca how was it ( the play and the pagella???)
Lordy me it is cold here MR has red cheeks from the cold ! SNow forecast and I am so hoping the airports don't get affected!

TheMysticMasseuse · 17/12/2009 19:12

i know rosa, hoping too, you know how it gets in london when it snows, i really hope we don't get stranded... good luck to you too!

Francagoestohollywood · 17/12/2009 19:39

sputnik, no, no. We had friends for dinner yesterday, so I had to unplug the computer, which usually sits on our dining table.

Ooooh Massesue . (If this helps, I still feel all fuzzy when I read the card ds's best friend from school wrote him when we left "I will miss you". boooohoooooooooooooo ). I hope the trip goes well for you . Will you be able to use the computer in the next few days? (I need to talk to you about Brother Mouzone )

Rosa, the play when well, dd was so cute and very "into it". Bless.
The pagella was good. He is "molto intelligente" but sometimes too emotivo (and disordinato ). I have to say that his teachers are lovely, very into the children's well being, not just the "results". Which makes me feel all warm inside

Camomilla · 17/12/2009 21:08

oh, MM, started having misty eyes too when I read about your dd's best friend... how are the little ones taking it? fingers crossed all ok for tomorrow...

got cought in a snow storm today walking back to work from the work xmas lunch, so much for me using my straightners this morning!! our faces hurt sooo much walking into it and the snow even got one of our boss' contact out of his eye

after work met my old colleagues, well, 3 of them (big wire fans), but only stayed for one drink. I would have sttayed longer but I would have had to wlak back, and no way I was going to do that. my intention, you see, was to go in early so I would have found parking at the station, but ds decided to come in our bed at 4am and spent the next 3 hours fighting with him as he was hot so kept on kicking the duvet and I kept on pulling it back .

sputnik, thanks for the info. I saw this article somewhere about beekeeping, and got all "the good life" in my head

is that thread still going? I thought it kind of stopped!

TheMysticMasseuse · 17/12/2009 21:31

shit it's snowing so hard i don't even know if we can fly tomorrow [panic]

Francagoestohollywood · 17/12/2009 21:32

Camo brrrrrrrrrrrr a snowstorm! It is freezing here, I wonder if it'll snow tonight.

Bucharest: have you seen the garlasco verdict?

Francagoestohollywood · 17/12/2009 21:33

! Masseuse, oh no

Sputnik · 17/12/2009 21:36

Oh MM, poor you and your DD, that's really sad.
And let's hope we can all get where we're supposed to this weekend.

Francagoestohollywood · 17/12/2009 21:58

Oh yes Sputnik.

I've been reading the guardian, lots of posters believe the attack on B was fake. They've nearly convinced me !

SuiGeneris · 17/12/2009 22:10

MM: hope all goes well tomorrow. How's dd2?
And minipippi?

Excited at the snow- like a child. Funny because it's not like I'm going to go out and play in it, or ski (wishful thinking this year) and it might in fact make it difficult to get to the hospital tomorrow. But still ridiculously chuffed... while of course hoping everybody's trips go smoothly.

Bimby: don't have one, but my kitchenaid robot is in almost daily use, as is the bamix. Would second the feeling that Bimby sounds old-fashioned: I associate it with the Eighties and books such as "il sotutto della padrona di casa" (which I rather liked as a child).

On bidets: I like the showerheads found even in public loos in the Middle East. Wonder if we could retrofit one here...

Nutella was forbidden in our house too and reading your posts now makes me wonder whether I could get a small jar tomorrow- still feels transgressive though ..

gio71 · 18/12/2009 09:03

Hi Just catching up with everything. Pinco how is dd now?
Great bidet article-go on start a thread someone .
MM how is packing going now? How sweet re dd and best friend.
Pinco WHY did you post the link to Bimby? I had never heard of them and was perfectly happy. Now I feel as if my life can't be complete until I own one. Not that I am about to pay that amount so a pipe dream it must remain.
Franca am very re your Uggs as well!
Mmmm Nutella-food of the Gods.
Rosa your DH sounds v similar to DP who is already moaning about UK weather, having nothing to do here, my parents living in small town blah blah. He is coming for a week over xmas and hasn't been for 2 years
DS has had ear infection, was v distressed yesterday, we went for antibiotics and he seems better today.
Re THAT thread they are approaching 1000 posts, I am intrigued to see if they will start a Part 2 thread
Minerva am sorry you are having such a time of it re interviews etc. Apart from work where do you feel happiest? What's your gut feeling re where you want to be?