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SunflowerNeedsSunshine · 09/03/2009 12:26

Ciao, hello, welcome!

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DamonBradleylovesPippi · 20/03/2009 21:53

just because I saw the title of another thread and thought. I'd love to be, I try to be, manage for about a few weeks then I walk through TKmax for example and is all lost ! I'm trying but I don't think we are.

ah got it about the recipe.

I don;t mind the weaning thread because it is not smthing that upsets me so I'm safe.

viggoandjavier · 20/03/2009 21:55

no, they don't upset me the threads, what upsets me is that i spend time reading them.

i might watch the program on Praising kids though, to try and understand what the issue is.

The worse thread that really dumbfounded was one about unconditioanl parentign. Do you know what that is?

Penthesileia · 20/03/2009 21:56

It doesn't upset me per se: I get wound up at the levels of aggression (ironic, huh? ) and just struggle to understand why you would go on and on fighting with a complete stranger on the internet. I just don't understand.

I tend to get upset when I don't understand!

viggoandjavier · 20/03/2009 21:56

make up a budget and stick to it, easypeasy. Not!

Penthesileia · 20/03/2009 21:58

Frugality is overrated.

My dad always says, "No pockets in a shroud".

viggoandjavier · 20/03/2009 21:59

i worry taht i will have no pension though. is the state pension a real misery here?

DamonBradleylovesPippi · 20/03/2009 22:00

penthe that is what upset me in the past. now I take it that is part of mn and some people come here to vent and I believe it is their loss for being so pathetically highly strung and fixated on their ideas. I believe that they get upset with strangers because they cannot speak up in rl about other things. also i think that a bit of CT and postmod would work wonders , no?

DamonBradleylovesPippi · 20/03/2009 22:00

the relativity of it all...

viggoandjavier · 20/03/2009 22:01

i always think ct is cbt..

viggoandjavier · 20/03/2009 22:02

i am leaving you girls, need an early night..is your dd better damon?

DamonBradleylovesPippi · 20/03/2009 22:05

yep. thanks.

notte.

Penthesileia · 20/03/2009 22:05

Good idea: I think I will descend on those mad threads, quote some Adorno, then run away!!!

The state pension is not enough to survive on.

Mercifully, I have joined our pension scheme, so that's one thing off my mind... But I struggle to save, etc.

Night, viggo. Sweet dreams.

Penthesileia · 20/03/2009 22:07

I think I was really knocked for six when I read Fred Wander's "The Seventh Well". You read that, then come on here with people sniping at each other for being WOHM/SAHM/bf-ing/ff-ing/BLW-ing/puree-ing/on benefits/etc... And you just think: GET A GRIP!!!

Penthesileia · 20/03/2009 22:08

That sounded a bit random - I mean I read this book a couple of weeks ago... Not just some random book I've mentioned, IYSWIM.

SunflowerNeedsSunshine · 20/03/2009 22:22

that' why I get upset penthe, at the aggression people seem to need to pour over complete strangers who dare ask/express different questions/opinions. I ended up reading that weaning thread last night, not checked it today, but it's always the same! really, they could be talking about ANYTHING and it's always the same sentences!

I try to be frugal, like I've been selling a few nappies I don't want etc and want to build up a nice gruzzoletto in my paypal, then I see another nappy, and puff, half of it has gone.... or I go to tesco's with my nice tidy lista della spesa, by the time I get to the checkout I have 3 times as much stuff... and I avoid TKMaxx now!! but might pop in tomorrow... it's on my way really...

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Penthesileia · 20/03/2009 22:35

LOL @ "it's on my way really"!!! It's too easy to spend money!

gio71 · 21/03/2009 07:54

Pippi I am trying to be more frugal as my total lack of frugality (plus move blah blah) last year has left me with rather hefty credit card debt . So I have worked out a 2 year repayment plan and budget which am really trying to stick to. Isnt really that frugal though, am giving myself a realistic amount to live on, am just trying to take out my budget at beginning of week and not go to bancomat again! Oh it's DULL!!! Have started to get my oil, loo rolls, salt and other stuff that is pretty standard from Todis, fruit and veg I get from our local market where is sooo cheap and lovely but meat and prosciutto, cheese etc I spend more and go to local butcher and alimentari because I want to keep supporting them so they don't get forced out by evil GS style corporates like in UK and also cos they are lovely to DS (my loyalty is very easily bought)
Re pension I am sticking my head in proverbial sand until have no debt then will have to start thinking about it. Need to make my millions somehow before then

Bucharest · 21/03/2009 08:43

Re Mad threads...I was called an arse yesterday by some nutwit- all for quoting (word for word) Jade Goody.....Mind you, another poster on the thread was called a tw@t by her, so I think I came off quite lightly. I don't think she liked my "How very eloquent of you" reply either.

Dp is much more frugal than me....he has this weirdy phobia about having too much food in the house He'll look in the fridge and shake his head and go "oh my god, just look at all this stuff. It will all get thrown away". And then, 24 hrs after buying any form of fruit or veg, he'll be "we've still got these tomatoes! They'll get thrown away" WTF? Am presuming his mother goes to the shop and buys 1 carrot, 2 tomatoes etc. Pfffft. Well, I am not spending all sodding day getting pushed out of the way in all these shops by little old ladies who a) can't queue and b) want half a sodding courgette.

I suppose I'm more frugal than I used to be as I haven't been working for 5 yrs so have had to be! But I do like spending money....and if it weren't for my Mum making me set up a savings accounty direct debity thing....I'd have nothing.

Bucharest · 21/03/2009 10:19

BTW does anyone know if those cuccioli cerca amici things are available in the UK? If so, what are they called?

DamonBradleylovesPippi · 21/03/2009 10:27

i'm off to my 'on my own day' yuppie!

will get that book penthe.

will catch up later.

will def not be frugal today hopefully.

if I caome back with just books and stuff for the dds shoot me please, I really have got nothing to wear!

Rosa · 21/03/2009 13:11

Bucharest I am sure that you can get them in the Uk as I think I remember seeing them in the toy shop it is not little pets but no idea what they are called.
Frugal - I used not to be then I became so with children and no income of my own. Then dh says we are having bad patch so I scrimp like mad then he goes and books a 3 day rafting break in June .... So I buy a bugaboo bee ....Thing is the paypal account is in my name so it will come out of what is left of my savings anyway !!
Thinking of Sputniks out door party ..It is mega cold here and the wind is blowing so no trial for minirosa in the bee and we have a party as well . DD is going in Jeans as its too cold for a skirt . I have got the pumini out again.
Oh Catholic people ( anyone one here ????) is it ok to have 3 padrini and no madrini for minirosa ?????

SunflowerNeedsSunshine · 21/03/2009 15:53

Rosa, not sure, but ask the priest, in so many things it depends on the priest. for example, I couldn't have my brother as padrino as he'd just separated from his wife, though they were never married in church, but DP and I are not married and he didn't mind . My second cousin called her DD same name as me, but as I'm not called after a saint, she had to be called maria-sunflower... my friend's priest only allowed 1 testimone for each at their wedding, the others had 3 each... so as you see, different priest, different rules...

nice day here, though breezy, just infornato Brange's banana cake, yum.... even treated ourselves, got a free-range chicken for tomorrow (frugal, what's that? didn't go to TKMaxx, though, as I went the other way!)

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viggoandjavier · 21/03/2009 16:05

ahhhh, me too ho avuto una giornata tutta per me, and came back with stuff for the kids an d some books from the library, frugal indeed. Lovely being alone.!

viggoandjavier · 21/03/2009 20:01

how was it for you damon?
the seventh well is about the holocaust, just cannot face this sort of reading. i am ashamed to say i borrowed a margaret drabble, anyone read her?
hope you enjoyed this lovely saturday, happy mum;s day to you mums in the uk..

Penthesileia · 22/03/2009 09:45

Ok, so - unsurprisingly - that WOHM/SAHM thread is really getting to me.

I feel better now though... Because I have understood why it gets so heated . Nah, not really, but I got to thinking anyway...

Although it is one of his weakest pieces, Sartre's "L'existentialisme est un humanisme" provides a good description of why people get so worked up defending their choices:

"an is nothing else but that which he makes of himself. That is the first principle of existentialism. And this is what people call its ?subjectivity,? using the word as a reproach against us. But what do we mean to say by this, but that man is of a greater dignity than a stone or a table? For we mean to say that man primarily exists ? that man is, before all else, something which propels itself towards a future and is aware that it is doing so. Man is, indeed, a project which possesses a subjective life, instead of being a kind of moss, or a fungus or a cauliflower. Before that projection of the self nothing exists; not even in the heaven of intelligence: man will only attain existence when he is what he purposes to be. Not, however, what he may wish to be. For what we usually understand by wishing or willing is a conscious decision taken ? much more often than not ? after we have made ourselves what we are. I may wish to join a party, to write a book or to marry ? but in such a case what is usually called my will is probably a manifestation of a prior and more spontaneous decision. If, however, it is true that existence is prior to essence, man is responsible for what he is. Thus, the first effect of existentialism is that it puts every man in possession of himself as he is, and places the entire responsibility for his existence squarely upon his own shoulders. And, when we say that man is responsible for himself, we do not mean that he is responsible only for his own individuality, but that he is responsible for all men. The word ?subjectivism? is to be understood in two senses, and our adversaries play upon only one of them. Subjectivism means, on the one hand, the freedom of the individual subject and, on the other, that man cannot pass beyond human subjectivity. It is the latter which is the deeper meaning of existentialism. When we say that man chooses himself, we do mean that every one of us must choose himself; but by that we also mean that in choosing for himself he chooses for all men. For in effect, of all the actions a man may take in order to create himself as he wills to be, there is not one which is not creative, at the same time, of an image of man such as he believes he ought to be. To choose between this or that is at the same time to affirm the value of that which is chosen; for we are unable ever to choose the worse. What we choose is always the better; and nothing can be better for us unless it is better for all. If, moreover, existence precedes essence and we will to exist at the same time as we fashion our image, that image is valid for all and for the entire epoch in which we find ourselves. Our responsibility is thus much greater than we had supposed, for it concerns mankind as a whole. If I am a worker, for instance, I may choose to join a Christian rather than a Communist trade union. And if, by that membership, I choose to signify that resignation is, after all, the attitude that best becomes a man, that man?s kingdom is not upon this earth, I do not commit myself alone to that view. Resignation is my will for everyone, and my action is, in consequence, a commitment on behalf of all mankind. Or if, to take a more personal case, I decide to marry and to have children, even though this decision proceeds simply from my situation, from my passion or my desire, I am thereby committing not only myself, but humanity as a whole, to the practice of monogamy. I am thus responsible for myself and for all men, and I am creating a certain image of man as I would have him to be. In fashioning myself I fashion man."

Don't you think?

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