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what has feminism ever done for us?

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SenoraPostrophe · 09/04/2007 20:41

right girls, it's timne for a proper debate which isn';t about blardy weaning.

the motion is this:

feminism has not really acheived anything. women got the vote and were accepted in the workplace because of the world wars and not because of reason. Later, we accepted careers, but ended up neither having our cake nor eating it what with all the housework and childcare we were doing. and male hegemony still reigns supreme.

discuss.

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monkeytrousers · 09/04/2007 21:57

haha exactly Malaleche! If we were all clones (and we'd all be female then) nothing would matter as we'd all still be alive after we had died!

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SenoraPostrophe · 09/04/2007 22:01

sophable - I have been drinking wine. I read an interesting article once about feminists becoming less militanat when they have sons. It might be true.

malaleche - that was something that inspired my original point I think. everyone tells me how successful I am (I run a business - never wanted to, but that's another story - have 3 kids and manage to cook soup and bread sometimes) but I have no time for anything. even popping into the city for coffee as you know (I think? )

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Lio · 09/04/2007 22:02

Not brainy enough to contribute but need to post so will be able to find the thread again

Heathcliffscathy · 09/04/2007 22:02

LIFE just makes you a bit less militant doesn't it?

Malaleche · 09/04/2007 22:03

(Señora, I am not Ann but you're getting warmer!)

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SenoraPostrophe · 09/04/2007 22:03

yes, domestic violence. 83 deaths last year in Spain, according to the poster at the end of our road. At least there is a poster I spose.

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SenoraPostrophe · 09/04/2007 22:03

but your name does begin with a though doesn't it? and we did agree to meet for coffee?

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monkeytrousers · 09/04/2007 22:04

Sophable, domestic violence can?t be irradiated just as all violence can?t be. Society can only punish those who indulge in it ? and it does, the patriarchy puts wife beaters in jail! We have the equal pay act. That is real and the so called patriarchy put it through. There no conspiracy of men against women. Just a fight for survival between all organisms, which actually gives rise to much altruism and cooperation.

We can only try to better understand the conditions that spark domestic violence and rape and try to implement policy that facilitates that understanding and leads to a drop; but we can?t stop it, all of it.

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SenoraPostrophe · 09/04/2007 22:04

sophable - true, but I do have a better insight into the male psyche now I think. they just want to play with cars all the time, it seems.

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southeastastra · 09/04/2007 22:05

i have sons so maybe aren't that bothered but see it more as a class issue.

Heathcliffscathy · 09/04/2007 22:05

I HATE hearing the feminism is irrelevant as we've all got equality! Argh. makes me choke on my wine.

ffs.

Malaleche · 09/04/2007 22:05

Lio - you dont need to be brainy - look at me!

Malaleche · 09/04/2007 22:06

(Señora - begins and ends with A but havent seen you for at least a year)

monkeytrousers · 09/04/2007 22:07

and fathers have daughters - surely you don;t think they conspire with other men agianst them?

Lio · 09/04/2007 22:07

Malaleche you are doing just fine

Heathcliffscathy · 09/04/2007 22:07

NO NO NO monkeytrousers.

we have the laws and NO will to use them...and that is directly because of the fact that patriarchy is alive and well and arguing that women deserve a slap for not doing what they are told.

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SenoraPostrophe · 09/04/2007 22:07

I haven't seen anyone in a year.

congrats on your new one btw. she/he would be the same age as my new one? (7 months)

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Malaleche · 09/04/2007 22:10

Maybe its more of a biological conspiracy? I mean we are capable of doing everything men are capable of but they cant have babies so we are bound to end up doing more than our fair share...

paulaplumpbottom · 09/04/2007 22:10

Its silly to think that men conspire against women. Its just silly

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SenoraPostrophe · 09/04/2007 22:11

but anyway, back to the debate, I agree with sophable. having laws against something is not the same as "society" being against it and therefore equality having been achieved.
If that's true where are all the beaten husbands? (I know they exist, but look at the proportions)

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Malaleche · 09/04/2007 22:11

Señora, Aha, i think you know who i am then and yes she's nearly 7 months - congrats on your girl(?) too.

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SenoraPostrophe · 09/04/2007 22:12

it's not a conspiracy against women, no. It's a series of assumptions that are still passed down from one generation to the next.

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Malaleche · 09/04/2007 22:12

puts hand up excitedly - i beat my husband!

Malaleche · 09/04/2007 22:12

well, verbally anyway...

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SenoraPostrophe · 09/04/2007 22:13

another boy. we really should do that coffee!

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