what are your feelings on the MMR jab??

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My DD has an appt for her jab on the 3rd of April, i am still really concerned about the possible links with Autism, has anyone else had concerns or any bad experiences?

i haven't read it all custy, why shouldn't I be taking them?

i can't think of a reason why not.

The drugs companies are very influential, but I don't think its that. I think that vaccines are a holy cow, for some reason having a side effect from a drug is OK, having one from a vaccine is not. I also think that doctors see the complicated cases- even if those are rare, and not the everyday ones (so same thing as female obstetricians want c-sections, midwives want natrual deliveries).

Also think there's a view that if you choose not to vaccinate you are seen as a crystal healer, when in fact most of the people I know who don't vaccinate did- they changed their mind because of reactions.

Also think there's strange view of health these days (illnesses should be done and dusted in 2 days)

we have no family history, dd2 is nearly 3 so have delayed mmr for a while (no real reason, just v forgetful mother! then had number of nasty viruses when was going to take her). wouldn't want to vaccinate against chickenpox, but desperate for dd2 to get it (i had them as an adult, it was absolutely dreaful i was very very poorly. she's been exposed at least twice at nursery so may have had subclinical infection, but want to see at least a blister, so she doesn't have to suffer like i did!)

I don't think that anyone who hasn;t vaccinated on this thread really cares whether people vaccinate their kids or not. The OP asked for experience. The only objection I have is being told that I am acting selfishly when it's our family that is picking up the pieces form a vaccination that went wrong.

Hmm maybe I should have come to visit you lockets, must be nice to know that measles is done and dusted.

In adults mumps can cause sterility- but very very very rare as only one testicle is affected usually. But if boys were cathing mumps then men wouldn't be would they?

bundle ds2 has been exposed to chickenpox loads of time- finally got it this time (aged 4).

i think that a family with no history of autism or vaccine related anything medical - that they can afford to make the choice not to vaccinate simple becuase the majority of people do. therefore lowering the risk of the complications or death for the disease - as rare as that may be.

ok - political pressure.
so, if its not a conspiricy of govt and money then why doesnt mr blairy fairy scrap the jabs and save the nhs some money.

ok things got spiky there jimjams.

i'll leave it now with the disclaimer that i asked questions when this thread ( as they usually do) turned into a debate. in that context i believe you would talk about whether you had your child vaccinated or not - and why.

i still dont understand if there are no conspiricies, why we would waste money on such a stupid vaccine.

if no one got vaccinated - nowt right horrible would happen is the argument i hear. its not unreasonable therefore to ask why its being done

i have an open mind, and like to learn and understand. i even change my opinion frequently due to the intelligent debate i get from mumsnet.

wish id read this earlier, ive just taken my ds 17months to have his MMR at 10am dont think i would have had it done till later if id looked into it more

Oh, I think there are a few conspiracy theorists on this thread if you read the whole thing.

7up - try not to worry, I sent myself daft and was sobbing on the day I took dd1. No problem whatsoever.

Was slightly calmer with dd2, again no problems.

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7up, I've read loads of threads like this and will still be taking my dd for hers..please don't worry

Don't worry 7up, being in a risk group doesnt mean you will automatically get into trouble. THe chances are still small. In our case, the main factor to go for SepVax was not his allergies (we didn't know he was that allergic at the time) but a constant 40 degrees fever and vomiting for a week after each of his baby vaccines and the lack of help from doctors who deemed those reaction as a "coincidence may be linked to teething" . I might have the one baby who has been hospitalised because of teething secondary effects

ive just read the small print on the jab leaflet and it says that the cells are grown on egg and if you have an egg allergy you shouldnt have it!

i think ds is egg intolerant as its all abodminal pains when we tried it, def allergy to penicllin as he did get hives with that.

worry, worry, worry, il watch him like a hawk now

OK the simple answer: I didn't vaccinate because I would like to have a conversation with my youngest 2 children and would prefer not to be still wiping their arses or cleaning their teeth when they are 30. I think given our family history and given the latest research on autism and the immune system the best way forward for us as a family is tolimit vaccinations.

I don't know and don't care whether there is a conspiracy theory. Unless vaccinations are made mandatory I have zero interest in govt policy on the matter. I'll make the decision for each jab based on our family history. My interest is based around my family. We're the one's who live with the consequences with very little help from anyone, so I'll make the decision with dh.

The figures and graphs I've quoted about measles having such a low death rate pre-1968 is from the govts own statistical department. It's not my figures, it's not crystal healer down the road's figures - it's govt figures.

the difference between the figures in the bbc article and the govt statistics is that one is quoting deaths per X cases i.e. out of how many people who are infected how many die.
and the other is deaths per population.
completely different statistical basis.
by the way, I would say that today, as compared to forty, thirty, twenty, ten years ago there are a great deal more people in the general population who are vulnerable to death or serious consequences from infection, because of the advances in medical science.

The second graph is the death rate for measles accoprding to the blurb, so comapring like for like.

oh no hang on you're right, I've misread the y axis.So are there any figures for death from measles cases pre introduction. Will search.

was measles notifiable in 1968?

the bbc figure is "Measles causes death in up to one in 2,500 cases." (I don't know where that comes from btw and there is no reference.)
the second graph (if we are looking at the same one) is the mortality rate.
not the same thing
and, as I say, the rate in 1968 is entirely beside the point for the reasons I said below.

found this but not well referenced- will search later. "prior to vaccination, 3 to 4 million measles cases occurred with around 500 deaths. This would make the case-fatality ratio for that period between 1 to 2 per 10,000. In the years 1989, 1990 and 1991 combined, however, it was reported that around 55,000 people got the measles and 166 died, making the case-fatality ratio dramatically higher at 3 out of 1,000"

sorry, x posts
hat kind of bbc reporting makes me cross, how hard is it to reference? sloppy imho

sorry for rubbish typing, bf and trying to supervise lunch

The statistic that really annoys me- because I've seen it a lot is this one:" in 1976 3% of measles cases occurred in children less than one, today more than 25% do.", because I want to know absolute figures, not %s. Agree about the BBC statistic.

Found this as well but no idea how reliable it is. There appear to be figures all over the place. If I have time some time will research this as I think its interesting. I have a suspicion that the actual death rate may be similar because the people who are at risk of dying are those in vulnerable groups. Of course absolute numbers may be different.

‘From 1950 to 1959, an annual average of more than 500,000 cases and 500 deaths were reported. However, the true number of infections was estimated to be 10 times as high.’ In other words, if only reported cases are considered, the death rate appears to be 1/1000. If you factor in the number of unreported cases, quite high during the era when measles was common, the death rate drops to 1/10,000. In the more recent Katz ‘Vaccines’ article, co-written with Redd and Markowitz, it says that the death rate is 1 to 3 in 1000 cases (pg.223), even though later in the article they say that there used to be, ‘in the prevaccine era’ (pg. 229), around 500 deaths among 4,000,000 cases (actually 1.25/10,000 cases). Either they are exaggerating the current death rate, or it has gone up. We submit that if the death rate has risen, measles vaccine is the cause, having changed measles epidemiology so that high-risk groups now more often get the measles. “