what are your feelings on the MMR jab??

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My DD has an appt for her jab on the 3rd of April, i am still really concerned about the possible links with Autism, has anyone else had concerns or any bad experiences?

Another measles graph \link{http://www.healthsentinel.com/graphs.php?id=28&event=graphs_print_list_item\here}

This graph shows the decrease in mortality from measles from 1838 to 1978. What is striking is the massive decrease in mortality from measles prior to the use of the measles vaccine. The decrease was from a high of 70.49 per 100,000 down to 0.11 per 100,000 in 1968 when the measles vaccine came into use. so the rate in 1968 was 0.1 per 100000 and now its 1 in 2,500- shouldn't we be asking why? Looks a bit like public health going backwards to me (although I suspect its just that different groups are catching the disease).

Maybe you should complain to the BBC custardo, or ask them to explain their figures?

\link{http://www.healthsentinel.com/news.php?event=news_print_list_item&id=1380\this is more DTP relevant, but its the recent stuff about thimerosal buggering up suscetible immune systems}

interesting piece in the standard last night re: how incidence in autism has rocketed in japan since the withdrawal of mmr (also 79 measles deaths there, 92-97)

Of course the interesting thing to do now is take the 1968 figure of 0.1 per 100 000 and compare it with the best guess figure of 7% of autistic cases tiggered by MMR (it's a small number), and compare your chances. If you wanted to be really clever you could try and get some sort of figure on your increased risk of death from being autistic (because of accidental death) and then compare the risk of death rates.

I suspect when there's a question mark over the safety of a vaccine it's easier to get parents to vaccinate if you tell them the death rate is 1 in 2500 rather than tell them that in 1968 - pre introduction of the jab the death rate was 0.11 per 100 000.

Japan gives the MMR. (My Japanese friends kids have had it). It was withdrawen for a short time because the mumps component was causing meningitis- and for the final time no-one is saying that MMR is responsible for the increase in autism rates. If it's only triggering 7% of cases it isn't rocket science to work that out.

I'd heard that most people had singles in Japan

yes I'd heard that as well which is why I asked my friend what her son had been given. She said MMR was standard but you could get singles if you wanted.

Anyway its irrelevent because as I said no-one anywhere is suggesting that MMR is reponsible for the massive rise in autism cases. Most people put that down to combination of factors (including better dx) and reckon that MMR is the trigger for 7% of cases - although it may not be the single trigger- the real culprit may be thimerosal in baby jabs. If you scroll down there are links to the latest ideas.

I know, but it's often represented as the trigger in certain parts of the press.

Going off on a slight tangent, all 3 of mine have had MMR. Was a bit anxious but thought it was best for my kids. BUT, when ds1 had pre-school boosters (MMR and tetanus) he had allergic reaction to tetanus (arm blew up like balloon) and then had another allergic type of reaction which started in his feet and over a 4 day period worked it's way up his body until it was on his head.

Since then, he still comes out in allergic reactions to things. Can't seem to isolate what triggers it. Dr says his reaction was nothing to do with the MMR but does seem abit of a coincidence that had not had any allergies before this. Not sure whether I'll be letting other 2 have booster. Seems to me that it's an awful lot for there immune systems to cope with. Anyone else heard of anything similar to this?

but i'm assuming you couldnt go to the doctors and say "look i dont want that measles one but i'll have the other two?"

its all three of nothing?

or*

Is not too bad now, just have to keep bottle of super strength anti-histamine in the cupboard. Hopefully will be something he will grow out of.

But that's the point isn;t it bundle, the press reports are misleading! Why- have no idea.

Can't believe both your children had it lockets! Unless she'd only just received the jab and it hadn't worked they probably vaccinated at 13 months, still say they should jab at 18 months.

I have heard of things like that rosy- but mainly in the anti-vaccination press so its not necessarily verifiable.

do you have to validate your decision everytime a doctor asks " has he/she had all their vaccinations?"

i get asked that a lot
seem to constantly be at casualty latley

Well rubella was always given singly - and is given for different reasons, but mumps is less dangerous than measles.

Are you going to complain to the BBC custy?

so is the govt locked into some kind of big company thing with producers of these vaccines?

getbaka, yes i get v weary over misleading reports. am taking my girls next week for their jabs

do you think i should? think the article was a couple of years old

i thought mumps could make fellas infertile

I very rarely get asked. Got asked by a hospital doctor.
"is ds1 up to date"
: "he's had the primary course, but not the boosters"
"are you getting them done"
"no"
"oh"

Seen lots of locums with ds2 and ds3, never been asked why they haven't had any jabs. if I am asked I just say that we think ds1 was vaccine damaged so they're not getting them all and I'm holding off giving the ones I would give.

so your taking them despite whats been said on this thread bundle? why is that?