My child was served sausages

[Flowerpowerr1]

Not sure how to deal with this one, so my little one started nursery and gets given lunch there, we are Muslim and they know he’s not allowed pork, they usually give him veggie sausages because and they let me know on the app, but today I read that he had normal sausages and I’m assuming it’s pork? I know you can get beef but I’m not sure if they use beef? I’ll have a talk with them tomorrow but if it was pork I just don’t know how I’ll ever trust them again! This is usually a very good nursery and it’ll be silly of them to make a mistake like this knowing he doesn’t eat it for religious reasons.
Has anybody else dealt with something like this??

There is a great vegan brand called violife

Let me stop you there. Violife (or vile-life as we call it) is revolting

Yes, I'm not sure I've ever had a beef sausage. Can you even buy them in the UK other than in specialist shops? In the supermarket/butchers, 95% (if not more) of sausages are pork. You might get the occasional lamb or chicken but that's the exception really.

Thx, that explains it. Not from UK and we only have beef as main with the others the specialty ask at a standard butchers (and beef forms the bulk quantity of offering in supermarkets also). It’s where you learn these differences. I spent several years in the UK but honestly can’t recall the intricacies of sausages.

@MusicTeacherSussex

OP is Muslim, not her kid.

Children aren't born believing any system of arbitrary religious rules and tbh if he's not allergic, I dont see why he would care the difference between eating one kind of dead animal to another.

He probably quite enjoyed it and so far hasn't died or been struck down by lightning from above for breaking the "rules".

Its completely irrelevant whether the OP's dietary practice are religious, ethical or chosen by spinning a wheel.

If you can't trust a nursery reliably to feed your child according to the diet you state and they have accepted then you can't trust them. That is the issue here.

I must have missed the bit in the OP which said "please join this thread if you are racist, islamaphobe, evangelical atheis or just a raving loon" but all seem to be making an appearance.

Wow. All this over sausages which the Op has now solved. I’m not at all religious or follow a religion but some of those comments either ignorant or borderline racist.

A child generally is brought up to follow the family religion/beliefs. But a previous poster or two suggests a child shouldn’t as they can’t choose their religion so it doesn’t matter.

Yet how many have their child christened into a religion that they don’t even follow and have to go to church weeks beforehand to be allowed to. A child of a few months old doesn’t get to choose if they want this? Of course that’s different isn’t it as its basically for a party really not the religious meaning behind it.

@Flowerpowerr1glad it was sorted. I remember a veggie child being given meat by another member of staff at a nursery I worked at. Back then we had very few veggies/dietary requirements and it wasn’t great. Luckily their mum was ok. Nowadays these things are much more common and I’m sure nurseries are on the ball.

*Islamophobe

"Evangelical" - committed to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

*Atheist

(You can't have an evangelical Atheist, maybe you meant militant?)

Oh you can absolutely be an evangelical atheist. Some of them are enough to make me seek religion.

@Sleeplessem

In my understanding I went to a sheik as a child in my class' parents were forcing them to eat haram (one parent Muslim the other not)

The sheik told me it was halal ie permissible for the child and they were without sin as it wasn't the choice.

Of course its forbidden it's pork but he assured me it wasn't the sin on the child so therefore permissible for the child to eat as mother wasn't serving alternatives And child wasn't at
Puberty.

So metaphorically it becomes halal for them.

Not that the pork automatically turns into halal food.

Sorry for any confusion If I have jt wrong Allah knows my intention

Kind regards

@C8H10N4O2

Oh you can absolutely be an evangelical atheist. Some of them are enough to make me seek religion.

Given your misunderstanding of these topics, you may find religion a comfort

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evangelical

Definition 5 is the one you want. "evangelical" has long been used colloquially to describe anyone overly zealous in pushing their ideas or philosophy.

You may find a dictionary a comfort.

@C8H10N4O2

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evangelical

Definition 5 is the one you want. "evangelical" has long been used colloquially to describe anyone overly zealous in pushing their ideas or philosophy.

You may find a dictionary a comfort.

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@C8H10N4O2

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evangelical

Definition 5 is the one you want. "evangelical" has long been used colloquially to describe anyone overly zealous in pushing their ideas or philosophy.

You may find a dictionary a comfort.

As might you! I'm impressed. Gold star.

@Greenleaves20

We’re vegetarians and I went to collect DS from nursery when he first started to find him eating beef noodles. I was very upset and ended up going in for a meeting with the manager to discuss esp as DS also has a strawberry allergy so I was worried they had no idea what his dietary requirements were. They took it very seriously and the staff concerned were mortified. They ended up reviewing their mealtime policies and changing the way they distribute food to ensure allergies and dietary requirements aren’t missed.

I would definitely say it’s a good idea to check with them first before you start taking it further though.

Lots of commercial beef/chicken noodles are actually vegetarian.

There were some brands of crisps where it was only the 'beefy' crisps that were suitable for vegetarians.

OP asked for advice on how to deal with a nursery who may or may not have followed the dietary requirements they requested. Not a critique of those dietary requirements!

There are seriously nasty people on this thread.

You can get beef, turkey or chicken sausages. Maybe DC was fed one of those but ask nursery as they should respect your choices.

I'm glad they've clarified OP.

Both DD and DS are at very mixed schools so pork is usually avoided or there is a clear vegeterian option available.

I have got to admit I'd miss my full English but I wouldn't invite our lovely Muslim friends or neighbours round for one - if I cook for them I always do vegetarian to avoid getting it wrong.

@pinkgin85

There are seriously nasty people on this thread.

I agree. The isms on this thread are shocking.

[quote Greenrubber]@ozanj

"What is happening in the world because of the vegan greed for almonds, avocados, soy and palm oil is as bad. "

This isn't a vegan problem omnivores also eat almonds, avacado, soy and palm oil

I'm a vegan who does not drink almond milk! I don't eat avacdos because of the environmental impact and there is more soy fed to livestock than humans yet it is still in everything yes even omnivores food 🤦‍♀️ I also try to avoid palm oil when possible! There is a great vegan brand called violife who do not use any palm oil. But unfortunately it is also in alot of omni food also so don't blame the vegans and try and make yourself feel better about eating animal products![/quote]
If you were truly cared about environmental impact you would be eating locally sourced fruit and veg and not pre-packaged processed shite. But unfortunately in the UK that’s what vegans seem to live on.

@thepastisanothercountry

I'm glad they've clarified OP.

Both DD and DS are at very mixed schools so pork is usually avoided or there is a clear vegeterian option available.

I have got to admit I'd miss my full English but I wouldn't invite our lovely Muslim friends or neighbours round for one - if I cook for them I always do vegetarian to avoid getting it wrong.

Is it really that difficult to source halal meat that you don’t even bother making them the kind of meal they would enjoy?

On lanyard for dietary requirements (which people upthread were very positive about). I don’t think this is a great policy for all children.

My DS is 12 and one of the reasons he refuses to have school dinners is that he does not want to have to wear a big label marking out his dietary requirements for the whole world to see.

Obviously, it’s important to have a system that works for younger children or those with particular SN, but most secondary school kids are unlikely to be keen on being labelled (in the literal sense) in this way. They have a right to privacy about their health conditions or beliefs.

@Ozanj

I would agree most of the uk probably live on pre packaged shite but you can't tar everyone with the same brush I'm sure you are not perfect
I certainly don't live on processed shite although I do have some but much less than the average person

I have changed my diet by swapping out meat for beans and lentils
I haven't started eating any food that I didn't already have
I've stopped eating avacado since going vegan and finding out one avacado has the same footprint as 4kg of beef

You just seem to have a problem with vegans I don't understand why people have such a problem when I think most vegans are trying to help animals and save the planet
Education is key and fact is that eating less or no meat is better for the environment

@Ozanj with you all the way except for your comment to @thepastisanothercountry, not sure if it’s your intention but it comes across harsh for someone genuinely making an effort to get something right and accommodate someone else’s religious beliefs. They as a family might not eat halal meat, certain other faiths prohibit it/ there might not be any good halal butchers around them and they don’t like supermarket meat for lots of reasons, but there are lots of places in the UK where you actually cannot find halal meat for love nor money or at least without significant travel (happened to grow up in one of those places).

That poster seems sweet, concerned she might mess it up or of cross contamination so errs on the side of caution and makes something for her Muslim friends that she knows they can both safely enjoy. Can’t ask for more than that in a friend!

isit really that difficult to source halal meat

It is where I live, yes. It would mean a 40 mile round trip so I would stick to fish or vegetarian.

What a relief it was an error op.
Also glad that the thread did not get derailed from your original concern.

I'd make absolutely sure that all staff know that he's Muslim. This must be upsetting for you.