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X Factor versus Rage Against the Machine

267 replies

purepurple · 13/12/2009 15:46

So which one do you want to be Christmas number 1?
I have downloaded RATM.

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muggglewump · 13/12/2009 15:49

I'm buying X Factor for DD's stocking.

I haven't even heard the other one. If it's not crap and cheesey, I don't like it

ShinyAndNew · 13/12/2009 15:50

Rage against the machine. Though I am not especially fussed on either, I just cannot stand X Factor and most of the Artists it produces, the I like Leona Lewis.

purepurple · 13/12/2009 15:51

It's not cheesy.
Its a protest

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geekgirl · 13/12/2009 15:55

I really like RATM. Shall buy this even though I've got the album.

RubberDuck · 13/12/2009 16:00

Is it me or has the facebook group been pulled? Just checking - downloading from iTunes counts, right?

notanun · 13/12/2009 16:01

Or Rolf Harris.

Or Tim Minchin.

purepurple · 13/12/2009 16:02

I couldn't get on the facebook page. Simon Cowell's influence?
I have downloaded it from i-tunes. I hope it counts. Even if it doesn't, I will still be happy at giving Cowell a poke in the eye.

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RubberDuck · 13/12/2009 16:05

Found the backup facebook page - looks like Facebook pulled the original?!!

Rage for Christmas no 1

purepurple · 13/12/2009 16:12

Thanks RubberDuck
I have now joined this group
Sex Pistols for Xmas no 1 2010
Sounds like a plan

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AnathemaDevice · 13/12/2009 22:03

DH has already downloaded Rage twice, I'm going to buy it tomorrow when I'm less tired and can figure out how this downloading malarkey works.

rasputin · 13/12/2009 22:05

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UnquietDad · 13/12/2009 22:08

How subversive a protest, to download a song from a major label which is in its own way just as "packaged" and contrived as the X-Factor winner. I like the RATM song and have done since 1993 when I first danced to it in a sweaty basement indie club, but I don't kid myself I am doing something anti-establishment by owning it.

AllFallDown · 14/12/2009 00:17

If you want to support "real" music over the X Factor, go and buy a song by a new group, rather than spending more on a group who are part of the corporate rock establishment, and whose label (Epic) is part of the same corporation (Sony) as the X Factor winner's label (Syco). The irony of being told to buy a record whose chorus is "fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" is magnificent.

JodieO · 14/12/2009 00:33

Yes you need to buy it in the right week for it to count.

Kaloki · 14/12/2009 01:10

"The irony of being told to buy a record whose chorus is "fuck you, I won't do what you tell me" is magnificent."

It really really is. I think I'll save my money for something else and continue not caring about Xmas no. 1.

Does anyone still trust the charts?

RubberDuck · 14/12/2009 08:24

Anathema: careful - buying it multiple times from the same IP can mean that they don't count it.

Unquiet, AllFallDown, Kaloki: oh I'm under no illusions that my 99p will change the world. I would like Simon Cowell to be a bit narked though, the man's sense of self-entitlement is highly annoying.

There has to be some organisation of which song to choose otherwise there'll never be enough interest to push the X Factor song out of the number 1 slot. There is some irony involved, I agree, but there is also irony in SC's marketing which involves people PAYING to vote in a song then PAYING again to buy the single at the end of it. And they're not even any good.

There's a good rebuttal to the criticisms of the choice of RAtM on Tim Chester's blog at NME

"His major gripes seem to be: the irony of singing ?I won?t do what you tell me? while signing up to a Facebook campaign, the song choice, the question of whether we care about what?s #1 at Christmas, and the futility of the exercise.

Put simply, a Facebook campaign is a vote, a choice whether or not you sign up. There?s no judges or Dermot repeatedly hammering phone lines into your head, it?s just people using a democratic right bestowed on them by the social networking age to tell the judges and Dermot they won?t do that other thing they tell them.

?Killing In The Name? might be owned by Sony, thus most likely somehow benefiting Cowell financially, but these days what isn?t? A good 95% of the music industry is controlled by the shit that floated to the top (that?s a made-up statistic but probably not far off), which is why shopping at Pure Groove/buying merch at Fucked Up gigs/other statements of independent solidarity are so important. However, you won?t get nearly 500,000 people signing up to buy Slow Club?s version of ?Silent Night?."

jeep · 14/12/2009 08:28

i think real music fans ceased to care about this sort of thing some time back.

really is it that important .

Flame · 14/12/2009 08:30

ratm here too.

I hate the way there is no "what will be xmas no 1" feel any more, x factor has ruined it. I know it isn't a huge part of christmas for most people, but it was to me.

Don't get me wrong, I watch and enjoy x factor, but I would still do that at any other time of year, just as the masses would buy the single at any other time of the year.

I can't see ratm winning, but if it is anything like the Buckley campaign last year, it should make #2.

RubberDuck · 14/12/2009 08:34

Yeah, I used to care as a kid what the Christmas no 1 was. It was all part of the tradition, wasn't it Flame?

I've kind of switched now to caring what's at number 1 on my birthday, but that's all kind of arbitrary and not as fun.

But then I must not be a real music fan (looks at my ever expanding iTunes library and dreads to think how much disk space I'd need if I was)

Flame · 14/12/2009 08:38

I've never understood being a Real Music Fan tbh. I hear music I like, so I like it... how much more do you need?

littlerach · 14/12/2009 08:38

Agree absoltely with Flame

Will be downloading RATM (in the coreect week!)

LedodgyChristmasjumper · 14/12/2009 08:44

I also agrree with flame. However I think the campaign would be better using something currently out which would be a more worthy no. 1. I bought Rage's album back in the day and am not paying to download it again now.

izzybiz · 14/12/2009 08:46

It is the correct week now, what is no1 on Saturday 19th will count as xmas no1.

AmazingBouncingFerret · 14/12/2009 08:58

Im going to DL RATM for 2 reasons only.
I absolutely love the band.
My late boyfriend would of loved to have seen them get christmas No1, its just the thing he would of got really enthusiastic about.

RubberDuck · 14/12/2009 09:11

Well yes, Flame. I think to be a real music fan, you need to listen to 'cool' music and actually know stuff about the bands. Or maybe go to gigs regularly.

So, me buying around 8 albums in as many weeks (oops, that's going to be a fun visa bill, did I really buy that many ) and having childcare issues so never go to gigs clearly doesn't count