PIP cuts- what happens next?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3q7584v07o

So this goes to a vote next month? What then does anyone know please?

If they truly wanted to to get this right, they would appoint an independant chair and not a minor ministerial functionary with his eye on higher office.

Shouldn't they be postponing these votes until this review is completed? They don't see to be making it clear that they are still voting this 4 point rule in do they.

Feels like I’m shouting into a void about ESA, which none of the rebels and none of the journalists are talking about. Do they even know what they’re voting for?

One of the MPs has just asked 'what are we voting on" Quite

They really dont have a clue! Needs to scrapped entirely.

An entirely irrelevant point, but the BBC using “Pip” - and worse still, “Pips” rather than PIP in their reporting is winding me up even more!

Re the change to contribution based ESA/New style ESA to a time limited benefit. I don't think that is currently in the scope of the bill as that proposal is currently being consulted on. This is what it says in the briefing document for the bill:

contribution based esa is in the bill. Its all in the bill.

I I don't think it is? This is the ESA section, which only relates to ESA IR. There is no mention in the bill of replacing cont based ESA with the new unemployment insurance benefit

My images don't seem to be uploading, so trying again with the briefing paper

How can they vote on anything if they dont know the new citerea till the review? This is farce!!

Also they wont be saving any money, so theyve done this all for nothing. 😤😤

😤😤😤 why?!?!

Spineless tossers voting for a mess like this.

I'm completely lost as to what's happening now. No changes to PIP at all? So what are the changes they've now voted for

no LWRCA payments for under 22s. Spineless bastards.

When my child hits UC age I will be taking them to court for discrimination against age, fuck this shit!

There will be changes. But who knows what they've ill be, they have just kicked the can down the road.

The LWRCA change for under 22s is disgusting. I hope it can be challenged.

Awful. Shocking that that was voted for

Is it still the case for no LWRCA without PIP? I remember that mentioned at the start

This is concerning

This is from John McDonnell, who former shadow chancellor who is currently suspended from Labour, on Stephen Timms’ response to the question he and Barry Gardner both asked. (See 7.03pm.)

The government concession on setting up the review of PIP conditions has been rendered meaningless by its refusal to guarantee to put the review recommendations in primary legislation. This means they cannot be amended by votes in Parliament. Further undermines trust.

Yep. Also the case.

bloody wankers!

Unfortunately it is highly unlikely that any such case would win. There is already significant amounts of legislation which have "age related criteria" and courts have consistently supported the view that such discrimination in legislation is proportionate. Housing allowance for people under 35; statutory pension not paid until you reach a specific age even though you have "paid all your years"; PIP not claimable by people once they reach pension age (but many pensioners don't need "attendance" and do need mobility) - there are many examples.

The third reading of the bill is scheduled for 9th July.

Yes, you are right, sadly.