PIP cuts- what happens next?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3q7584v07o

So this goes to a vote next month? What then does anyone know please?

The thing that gets me is that it really could do with some king of proper reform and these arbitrary changes just kind of get in the way of that happening as much as anything.

@cloudytime I get this for folk still on DLA but for young people they can’t transfer to PIP until 16. They can’t choose to transfer before the changes take effect. Even if they transfer before this date they can be reviewed within a year. Will the 4 point rule apply then or will they be existing claimants?

It is also inconceivable that the new 4 point rule for new claimants will be overturned by Timm’s review of PIP and therefore apply to existing claimants.

It’s all about cuts and obfuscation.

I know children can’t transfer to PIP until 16. My post was about new claimants moving across before the change takes effect not being classed as new claimants at renewal.

Teens moving from DLA to PIP are new claimants when they transfer. But they aren’t new claimants when their award is renewed (with the exception of a small percentage with short awards awarded via Tribunal - which applies equally to rising 16s and older adults) . So rising 16s moving across before the change takes effect will not be subject to the 4 point rule.

The DWP also said that those transferring from DLA to PIP (ie all those aged 16) would be treated as new claimants. What’s the betting that transfer will take so long that new criteria of assessment apply. It wasn’t a fast process before.

I just feels like they are basically phasing PIP out.

Yes, they will be new claimants when they transfer from DLA but not on renewal.

Awards are made from the date someone applies, not the date a decision is made, so surely it will go on the date a claim begins rather than the date a decision is made.

DD is currently moving to PIP. I sent the form in May and I had a letter saying they had all the info they needed.
I’ve seen some people get a letter a week later and some months.
It absolutely should be 18 to move. I had to fill it all in for DD, no way would a 16 ever be filling that in effectively.

Further details on welfare reforms published ahead of Second Reading - GOV.UK

https://share.google/42fvfHOvjZtSOZDdo

Kendall's statement in full.

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And far be it from me to say "I told you so", but..."The terms of reference for the first ever comprehensive review of the PIP assessment in over a decade will be published today. The review - led by Minister for Social Security and Disability Sir Stephen Timms - will ensure the system is fair, supportive and reflects the realities of modern life."

Anyone here even remotely trust that?

They seriously need to do something with it.

And still no commentary on the ESA changes, which seem to be being slipped through with no scrutiny

Conservatives are definitely voting against tomorrow

Yes I thought that too..

Maybe this was deliberate knowing that PIP and UC would create so much fuss they could quietly pass the ESA / JSA thing while nobody noticed. I hope not.

@PhilippaGeorgiou so this basically means pip won't exist in a few years time....
it's all so scary. I think whatever happens at the vote Labour will somehow manage to change pip beyond recognition eventually. Linking LCWRA with pip means there will be no benefit for disabled people

I wouldn't put it past them, they seem very sneaky.

Is it the same situation for ESA with current claimants keeping it, does anyone know?

I think it would be very difficult to apply new rules to existing claimants and take their cont based ESA away. I think they said the rules would apply to new claims only.

Good point.

Miley, with all due respect I know you are always giving anecdotes about people you help apply for PIP or AA whom you think shouldn't get it. This isn't the thread for that discussion or those anecdotes. This is a supportive thread for worried people.

I’d love to know if this was true. I just can’t believe there’s silence about it on all the news and “summary of changes” I’ve seen!

Where have you heard about that please? I wonder how many Labour will still rebel?

It was on The BBC News feed

From the Indy a few minutes ago:

Andy Burnham urges MPs to vote against 'unfair' bill

Andy Burnham urges MPs to vote against Labour’s welfare reforms
Andy Burnham has called on Labour MPs to vote down the government’s welfare reforms as Sir Keir Starmer attempts to stave off a backbench rebellion.

The Mayor of Greater Manchester said the prime minister said the changes to the welfare system will create "unfairness and divide" amongst disabled people.

He also said the prime minister had only performed a “half U-turn” which did not go far enough.

Mr Burnham’s comments will be seen as a direct challenge to the PM and an indication of his possible future leadership ambitions.