PIP cuts- what happens next?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3q7584v07o

So this goes to a vote next month? What then does anyone know please?

I wonder what will happen to those who were only awarded through tribunal. Isn't it usually classed as a new claim when they come up for renewal?

Yes that's correct @Miley23

I have had this situation the past and got renewal forms as I would have done with a non-tribunal award. However they ignored the appeal decision and based their new decision on the previous (overturned) decision so rejected me again and I got to the stage after MR before they called me and 'changed their mind'

So I think in most cases that would be OK, apart from e.g. 18 month awards where it runs out and you need to re-apply. Even in that case it might be considered an ongoing claim though.

It seems like a can of worms though doesn't it.

As well as a massive rise in claims before it changes, I can see there also being massive pressure on the Appeals service, there is already a backlog of about a year for appeals at present.

We'll have to see what happens on Tuesday, but it doesn't seem clear whether or not it will get voted in or not, there still seems to be quite a few MPs who will vote against it.

Great that the actual govt document is not up to date As you say, we need to see the newest version.

Good point @miley23 and another example of how the Govenment is making policy on the hoof. Have none of them bothered to actually sit down and understand the PIP system?

Not sure my blood pressure can take it!

I don't think the government or the general public have a clue about what PIP actually is. I've lost count of the times I've read it's a benefit for people who can't work. That couldn't be further from the truth, many people are only able to work because they receive PIP.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/29/disabled-mp-marie-tidball-welfare-bill-labour

Keir Starmer’s last-ditch effort to quell welfare cuts rebellion

https://www.thetimes.com/article/148e9717-3009-4a31-88f5-551e99cfc589?shareToken=ceecadaa0571b541d2db5ad18e2687ae

They need to be clearer on what they are talking about with these other concessions, have heard something about 3 points instead of 4, but that doesn't really make sense as it only applies to one section of the PIP descriptors

How can they vote on something so vague?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/30/extra-cost-of-being-disabled-in-uk-to-rise-by-almost-12-in-five-years-says-scope-report

Just seen this on how people on DLA transferring to PIP will be affected, not great

On Friday a reader asked how the Pip concessions announced at the end of last week would affect people receiving DLA (the disability living allowance). Pip replaces DLA, the predecessor benefit for disabled people to help them with extra costs they face because of their disability, but some claimants are still on DLA, which can also be claimed by under-16s, and have not transferred over.
By the time the blog closed on Friday, I still had not had a reply from the Department for Work and Pensions.
But the DWP subsequently came back to say that people moving from DLA to Pip would count as new claimants. They also said they were considering how new eligibility rules for Pip would affect adults moving to Pip from DLA and further information would be published in due course.
The DWP also pointed out that people getting DLA can voluntary apply to transfer to Pip at any time (implying that people worried about missing out should move across to Pip before the new criteria are due to come into force, in November 2026.)

Im suprised there are still adults on DLA, pips been around ten years - that would also save a lot of money as many wouldnt be entitled to pip due to the different citerea.

I guess children and teens will be in DLA though? and transferring at 18? not sure

In England, teens transfer from DLA to PIP at 16. There is talk of bringing moving to 18 for existing claims similar to Scotland where existing claimants can decide to stay on CDP until 18 or move to ADP.

Maybe they see this as a continuing benefit of welfare reform. 16 year olds treated as a new claim for PIP would have to score 4 points on a daily living descriptor. Even if transferred now they could be reviewed and reassessed according to new criteria within a year.

I do wonder whether reassessment will be targeted to those that can have points removed or no longer meet the requirement.

DS1’s meets new criteria but review was meant to complete early this year but has been extended for a year. I submitted the forms 18 months ago. Despite condition worsening the points remain from 2017. Maybe they only actively review to cut?

There is such a huge backlog. Why is this never mentioned? Is this why current claimants are exempt from proposed cuts? Because current staff have their hands full with transfer from DLA and new claimants? Existing claimants only stood to lose on reassessment. Maybe this is no compromise at all because existing claimants reviews were so backlogged?

If they transferred from DLA before the change would they not count as one of the continuing claimants though? Oh I don't know, it seems so unclear.

And YY to the backlogs, which will only be made worse if lots of people claim now before the deadline surely. The system doesn't seem to be coping as it is.

Yes, I think so.

Your earlier post said that those transferring from DLA to PIP would be new claimants! My DS were treated as new claimants in 2017 and 2022. They are definitely not continuing claimants. Different benefit, different criteria.

This really is a mess, isn't it? The bill is simply not fit for purpose.

@PocketSand you are misunderstanding what the pp is saying.

Claimants moving from DLA to PIP are new claimants when they make the DLA to PIP transition.

But they won’t be new claimants when their award is renewed, so if they move across to PIP before the date the changes take effect from, they won’t be affected by the 4 point rule. They will come under what the government is calling existing claimants.

It said
The DWP also pointed out that people getting DLA can voluntary apply to transfer to Pip at any time (implying that people worried about missing out should move across to Pip before the new criteria are due to come into force, in November 2026.)

So presumably transferring before then would be OK. I'm no expert here, just that is how it sounds.