D'y ever wonder how many men have been lost in your ample bosom?

[frumpygrumpy]

PMSL

I didn't want to be the one to do it! I promise next time I will sellotape my fingers.

Working on it dingdong

Hello all my 2 are good (well as good as 7 week old's can be)

Lola has started to not wake for her 1am feed but zed still is, do I wake her up (as i'm doing) or do I let her sleep through and feed her when she wake's by herself?

kelly are you attempting to potty train DT's?
I am trying to do DD1 who is nearly 2 and I am having no joy, keep me posted on your progress trying it with DT's, as my day will come one day with the Dt's and any tip's would help.

mamafeelgood- you are so right I NEED/ DESERVE A BREAK!
and welcome

kneehigh, dt1 has decided he wants to potty train, so we might well give it a go, especially as their preschool won't change dirty nappies. We'll let you know how we get on!

Happy 5:25 all!!

LGT----sex worked for me with DD1...pains started within the hour, and continued all night, a couple in the day and then kicked off that evening!!! Kinda did with DS1 too....but had appoint to go in to be induced anyway..was put on monitor and was having contractions (back-ache) anyway....a bit of the gel stuff and that kicked off. Was induced and c-sectioned with the rest.
Def worth a try .

Kelly-how old are your twins?? i have to potty train mine too. mine are 2.8 - i hate this bit of parenting. I don't even know where to start, past potty training is a blur.

Welcome mamafeelgood-hope your twins are better soon. It is hard whent hey are ill, everything goes pear-shaped here too.

[waves] to everyone else...[hi]

me

Mine are only 2.1 I'm nuts to even be thinking about it really. dd was trained by 23 months, ds not until he was 3. I think one dt is ready but not really the other. I don't think I will get away with training one though.

hmmmm-might be the easier route-get one done and the other will watch and follow. I waited til mine were 3ish..well the nearest summer to it actually. They are all ready at different times aren't they.

Not sure how to start with my 2.....!

Ok ladies ? thought I would come on and post for once instead of lurking around like I have been doing as I am feeling (slightly) better. Hope you are all well and have been trying to catch up on everyone?s news but its not easy ? there is so much! LG&T ? I wish you the best of luck with the birth?.I hope it happens before Friday as I am going on holiday for two weeks (hence feeling a bit better as I just cant wait) and wont have any internet access so wont be able to find out what has happened!!

Anyway I have been feeling pretty crap, I wont go into loads of detail as I don?t want to bore anyone but have just been feeling like I have lost my identity, like all I do is do stuff for others (kids, husband etc etc), feel unable to relax, feel like the world?s worst mum for shouting at the kids all the time (and knowing that its wrong and that there is a better way, but feeling uncontrollable and not able to do anything other than shout??.). DH thinks that I have a bit of PND, I don?t know but have put off going to the doctors because we are going on holiday and I am hoping this might make me feel better. Plus when we come back I am going back to work 3 days a week and I sort of cant wait because it will mean that I will have a bit of adult conversation/a challenge for my brain.

I am also quite worried about DT1 ? it could be nothing and he could just be a 2 and a half year old toddler but I have some concerns because he doesn?t concentrate/listen to me at all, wont look me in the eye, can be quite violent, is very sensitive and is just in his own world all the time. Maybe its just because I am comparing him with DT2 who is very sociable and chatty and is quite empathetic (he can sense when I am upset for instance).

In general life has been pretty shit lately and I have been crying an awful lot but I hope that things are going to improve and feel quite positive about it??..

Hope I haven?t bored you all.

HM, your silence is deafening and I'm worried about you............

Girls, I'm potty training too atm! [head in hands, wine glass between toes emoticon] Its actually not been as bad as I expected but then I prepared myself for armageddon

The first few days were a joke, the first 25minutes involved eight trips to the potty each! But they are kind of falling into a routine of sorts (they are 2.10????? 3 at end of July) I have two potties upstairs, two potties downstairs. Told them they'd get a chocolate finger or 4 milkway stars for every poo that went in the potty. Chocolate bribery has been working well (there has been tears and hard squeezing from the one who hasn't cooked up a poo at the same moment the other DT has) There's no easy way, just trial and error I think - my DTs are totally different in their approach and both are totally different to how DD1 was. I put it off thinking DT2 wasn't ready but DT1 was beginning to show signs of being ready. Now the weather is better its made it all the right time and so........

cross post but DP arrived...... damn

hi HM and massive sorry as I haven't emailed you yet - will do so before you go away and we WILL meet up!

My 2 were 2.5 when I started with potty training, one took to it better than the other, so I rewarded the one who was doing well and hey presto the other one followed...eventually

DT2 seems happier, no problems evident at nursery, had a long chat with the girls in pre school room who are lovely and they are keeping an eye on her. I think she's a bit under the weather and over tired so can't control her frustration, poor thing.

How it going LG&T? Still there? Good luck

Hi all,

HM hope you really enjoy your holiday. I went back to work when ds was 14mths for 16 hours over 3 days and it saved my sanity. Adult conversation, not having to share my lunch and being able to close the toilet door . Currently on mat leave with dt's but I am going back when they are 12 mths doing same hours.

It's not for everyone but I need it, I must do having 3 in nursery for four months

HM-sorry to hear that you are feeling so crappy [[hugs]]]
Hope you start to feel a bit better soon, and if you are wooried about PND please don't hesitate to seek help.

HM I have mailed you finally

HM, you came back to us! Missed you, I must have a sixth sense I was just posting my "where the f are you" message as you posted. I understand the feelings.......

I'm sad you feel so bad and it all sounds like my life and so very, very normal I think

You are very wise to take your holiday and try out work before taking stock on your feelings. It can change everything. I think you know I had some counselling a fair while back to help me through a low patch. I managed to resist any other help (which was important for me). What I mean is, well done for seeing the inside of yourself so clearly and for having the head to make a change.

It might just be that feeling rough has magnified your DT1s behaviour. Or maybe not. Just keep watch. We're right beside you and will be, any which way you pop in. If you are not back on then I wish you a fantastic holiday (well, as fantastic as it gets towing your crew with you! ) Take care my sweet xxxxx.

Hi everyone, so much to catch up on!
HM, hope you are feeling better, I'm going ot read your post again properly tomorrow so I can give it the attention it deservs.

Ooogs or KHIN - whichever asked about putting babies to bed thing, with the dts we have got it working to get them off to sleep between 7.30 and 8 ! Very proud of this!
KHIN - The key really has been to feed and put them into bed at the smae time every night. I spend a long time feeding them as they know they are going to bed and get very agitated if they go to bed not full to the brim. If they are overtired they do get upsed and take longer to settle once i get them into bed. Just stick with putting them into bed the same time every night and eventually they will get it. I do lights out and curtains drawn but don't do blackout curtains or anything and it seems to be no problem for them.
Huge sympathies on the night waking, I too have been suffering badly with the smae problems (although the last 3 nights they have only woken twice between 7pm and 7am and I am starting to feel human again!). Now they are bigger I am not nervous about rolling on them anymore(and dh has been kicked out of bed ) after the last last feed (around 4am) they stay in bed with me, they don't disturb me now and all 3 of us love it! Sleeping bags are great, I snuggle under the duvet and they stay on top of it.

Feeding is back on track for us - thanks all for your advice, I did read and absorb but didn't manage to get back here to say thanks until now.
Have had a few really down days, wanted to join FG on her roof but its too far so I stayed in bed instead - Sunday I got a very supportive email from a lovely lady in London and yesterday saw MIL and SIL who spent the whole time telling me how fantastic I am and how well I am doing and I feel so much better now! Its amazing how hte right words can give you a huge lift!

Aaaagh, I've already been on here much longer than planned so I'm going now!

Oh, how exciting another triplets mum!!!!!

Any news from LG&T since..... this morning? Sex worked for me with DS1 !

sex - what's that then?

Hi ladies,
Trying to keep away from the news, I get very screwed up about things like this. Harrogatemum you have been MISSED!So sorry life is tough atm, glad you have your hols coming up, hope you are heading to some sun, very fed up now with the rain. Just a few weeks ago we were all sunbathing, crazy! Just had another stressful evening in the Peace household, we sure have the wrong surname!! Dt2 had a friend home for tea, he is lovely, no touble, its my three, they just go manic, took me until 8.30pm to get them to clear up and they have finally settled now, only 10pm, father is sleeping in the sitting-room after having a secret brandy whilst I put the kids to bed. Had a stressful week, had to visit local family whose son was killed last week on his motor-bike, two days after his 18th birthday. Brought back lots of boxed away memoried for me. Still, tomorrow at be a better day, lets all hope to wake up to positive news of Madeliene, and some sunshine.

HM i am there with you, this weekend was all tears, having done everything for everyone, and not just the family, but friends sapping me for support and not thinking that i might be shattered and trying to get my kids to sleep. i snapped and just couldn't/can't take it anymore. so i'm there with you, just shattered at work but enjoying the break.

on top of all this my husband is off for 2 half weeks for work and my sister is about to have her first baby so my 3 pillars: husband, mum and sister will be off scene. i just hope that the sun comes out soon to give us all a good shot of vitamins and more importantly i can just let the kids run wild in the garden ...

as for potty training i have read all over the place not to rush it or attempt it during house move, relationship pressures and new siblings... don't know if that's any help!

thanks for your warm welcome, look forward to getting to know you all better, sharing the good and the bad times x

Welcome mamafeelgood, we pass wine round here on a regular basis Sometimes one of us > FG gets a little tipsy....

Im still here, have been trying it all, even sex. Poor dh said last night "i feel used" PMSL......

Kelly potty training, nice. I did the twins at 2 and a half, they were faband were dry day and night in 3 weeks. It was the height of summer and i spent alot of time on the beach.

HM you have been missed, im sorry you are feeling so down. Come back and post\vent it will make you feel better, i really hope you have a lovely holiday and will try my best to get this elephant\baby to appear before Friday!!!

Hi LG&T,
Was thinking about you this morning, still around eh? You obviously didn`t try the pole dancing Never mind, baby has its own special reason for wanting to be born on a certain day!

Hi MenagerieKeeper and Mama.... welcome

Really busy at the moment but haven't forgotten any of you.

HM... have emailed you. Make use of the numbers young lady!!!!!!!!!!! [stern look]

Potty training is now a damp, smelly, distant memory... Praise God!!!!!!!!!! To those of you going in... we salute you!

Will do a proper catch up in a couple of days, but now I need to cook tea, meet new clients and do an overnight before meeting another client tomorrow for lunch and another for an antenatal in the evening.

St Lucia.......... almost a forgotten dream. Sigh..............

Mwah mwah etc...........

Mars, you are hot to trot honey! How do you burn the candle at both ends and stay sane? Does it come in a Caramac shaped bar?

Just saying hi everyone. DP home just now and AT LAST I think I can go to bed, watch crap TV and veg. HEAVEN Thats after the Tesco shop that it

Peaceful nights all x (except LG&T who could either be bonking all night or in labour!)

just popping in to say we have finally got chicken pox

hi all - I just wanted to say a big thank you to everyone for your kind words, thank you for thinking of me. I have been to see the HV today re DT1, she is going to see if she can get a referral to a paediatrican for him.........so we will see what happens. She also made me do the Edinburgh test where i got a score of 17 so she told me I should see the GP. I asked her if we could wait until I come back from hols as I am hoping that will improve things slightly. She did make me feel better by telling me it is all hormonal and I have no control over it, I have been thinking it is my brain that is going nuts!

ANyway - dingdong - hope the pox isnt too bad, I replied to your email last night, I was surprised to see that your real name isnt leslie phillips!

Mars - I got your email and replied too...may call you over next couple of days if I can work up the courage (dont ask).

Welcome to Menageriekeeper and Mamafeelgood - hope to hear more about you and your broods soon!

Triplets, oooogs, KHIN, Leo, thank you all so much for your words of support and a special big thanks to FG - it was freaky when you posted at the same time as me!

LG&T - same to you and best of luck if nothing happens tomorrow!!

just watched desperate housewives on 4 and drunk a bottle of wine so i'm feeling good! man, i feel lynette scava's pain, it's hard when the flirting becomes formalised, all that guilt free fun. sorry to all that don't watch but she's the only character who seems to have a real family: mad kids etc... however, she seems to have far more sex than we ever get to. [wink}

HM, enjoy the holiday and i hope that going to work gives you that headspace that we ALL need. sorry to shout but hey us mums need those breaks.

on a happy note here in 'sarf' london the kids have not coughed once so far so hopefully a vaguely peaceful night.

goodnight all