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frumpygrumpy · 15/03/2007 18:34

PMSL

I didn't want to be the one to do it! I promise next time I will sellotape my fingers.

Working on it dingdong

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devondoris · 02/05/2007 21:30

Oh dear. Just sound like a grumbly old woman. Humph. Think I shall go find ice cream. Anyone for joining in?

Actually FG, did I read a while ago that you've admitted MN to DP? What happened??? You're still here, so either I dreamt it (I dream of yooooooo....) or it's OK and you haven't been banned from internet discourse for ever. Tell!

oooggs · 02/05/2007 21:36

Fantatic news largeg&t - enjoy yourself at the Derriford Hilton .

Managed to get all dcs to sleep this evening even though dt2 (colic nightmare) is in the bouncy chair, but he is not screaming

It has been hard with dh on late shift, find I am hard on ds1, he is only 3 FGS, sometimes I forget and expect too much, no wetting accidents from him today, bless him, my washing machine deserved a rest

thanks for email 1B3 - how can you have time to think/help me when you have enough to do of your own, hope dd1 is improving rapidly.

DTs weighed today, dt1 9lb 1oz and dt2 10lb 13oz and they are 5 weeks tomorrow

oooggs · 02/05/2007 21:37

frumpygrumpy & devondoris - thanks for your routine suggestions.

Anyone used 'Baby Secrets'???

devondoris · 02/05/2007 21:44

Yes, yes, yes!!! My favourite baby book! I read it a couple of times, worked out my own routine that fitted with DD, and then went for it. I occasionally referred to it up til about 3 months maybe, and now I don't because we're on solids and are sorted with it all. It's not totally inflexible which I found helped - I used other books with DD which I don't think would work with older children.

Anyway, if you like routine stuff, I thought this was grrreeeaaaattt!

And now I have to go and do widdletime for DD. Yippee. And then get some hot milk and my MotherTypes book and go to bed. Being the old granny that I am. (Actually the book's brilliant - based on Myers-Briggs personality types, and I'm loving it but can't work out if I'm Extravert (their spelling) or Introvert. The trials....)

devondoris · 02/05/2007 22:36

Wow. DH has just folded a basket of nappies. Hasn't quite managed to get them upstairs but... progress? Or guilt? I wonder...

Leoladyofleisure · 03/05/2007 09:45

Thanks DD & FG, I'll go and check out my thread once I've finished here. DD it doesn't matter to me if your way is my way, if I can pick up some ideas then that's great. your way works really well for you and usually seems very (far too) sensible so....
FG, dh is also not quite as passionate about BF as I am. He is worried that i am going to completely burnout so is encouraging me to introduce a bottle of ff. I also think he looks forward to having more excuse to get his hands on the babies, it would also give me more time with ds again.
True about the sense of humour, sometimes I feel as if I am turning into my mother who never understands jokes let alone make any !
thanksfully I had a mammoth sleep during the day yesterday as I was kept up all night last night by one sick little baby, poor Leo has a fever and wimpered and cried all night and is doing the same now. Thankfully Toby seems to be OK.

largeginandtonic · 03/05/2007 09:59

Hello ladies.

Thanks for the wine FG it went down very nicely

The doctor sent me home in the morning with 'normal' all across my notes, im so happy. The baby is head down still and has dropped my bump considerably. It feels like there is a bowling ball between my legs. I dont care, his head is where it should be and i dont have to have a section. The baby is due 13th May. The last 2 (undated by scan, scan came at 10 and 14 days late) DD came the day before her due date and was scan dated (my cycle is normally from 35-52 days) So it could be anytime i guess.

OOOGS i knew you would be ok with all the kids, and i cant believe how big they are getting!!! They must be very happy little babies.

We are off to the park today for a picnic, it is so nice and the school is a polling station so we have them all home.

I quite fancy 8lb2oz for this next one, it will be born on a sat or thurs. All of them, except dd came on a sat! Fairly safe bet i think, although 8lb2oz may be wishful thinking

Leoladyofleisure · 03/05/2007 10:38

LG&T, that is fantastic news ! Enjoy the nice weather while you've got it, its turned colder here again.

We also took the dts to the cranial osteopath and I like to think that it has helped them. But dd what do you mean when you say that she put you back together again?

I also have the baby secrets and it has really helped me get the babies into a feeding routine, but the daytime sleeps (although not a problem) and nights are hopeless. The baseline thing just doesn't work, if they wake for a feed an hour earlier one night than they did the night before how can I make them wait?

frumpygrumpy · 03/05/2007 14:06

Leo, I think for young babies there is just no point in waiting - their tummies are small they need filled regularly. But for babies who are able to take good, big feeds and you know they can't need more at that point the it could be that you might try to resettle them until the time you want to feed them.

When I started forming a routine for my DTs, I would try to not offer a feed before 11pm. I knew they had plenty in their tums from the bedtime feed and I'd just try to resettle them without it - or ignore them if I could. I'm not saying it always worked..... It has to go hand in hand with a sleep cycle though or else they could just be crying because they are awake and not really knowing what to do with themselves. Resettling will only work if their bodies/minds really need to sleep.

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frumpygrumpy · 03/05/2007 14:07

Its a bit like training puppies - you have to teach them a habit - your habit

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devondoris · 03/05/2007 19:49

Oooh FG, you're so right! Puppies it is.

Leo, I don't think I really worried too much about the baseline thing either, but I didn't feed before 11pm after their 7pm feed. It was dummies and cuddles in darkened rooms, or if DT2 was really going for it he did occasionally come downstairs with one of my friends so I could sleep upstairs! After the dream feed which I generally did in the dark they'd go back to bed with dummies - I remember having to make sure that they were fully burped before going to bed (generally still do!). Then they'd wake somewhere between 2 and 5 for another feed. If it was 2, I'd hang it out by dummy plugging because I didn't really want them feeding again before 3, otherwise they'd be up in the morning before I wanted them to. However I always started the day between 7 and 7.30 with feeding babies and story for DD as the story is part of her day. One of the reasons that it now takes me 3 hours to get everyone up, read to, nappied, dressed, breakfasted, cleaned, renappied after the boys have pooed, and out of the door to pre-school. At least with the warmer weather the boys aren't wearing so many clothes so it doesn't take so long to get them organised.

Sorry, back to night times. I think the 7am/7pm thing is the most important with the babies - getting them into that routine for me was the crucial thing, and then the rest followed. I think I felt that I was properly making headway by about 12 weeks, but the lunchtime naps still come and go a bit.

On a different note, DD had her first afternoon at Big School today. I was soooo proud of her! She's been really excited about going as she already has some friends that started this year, so we've been talking about it for about a week. We got there after lunch (picnic in the park). The reception teacher came out with name stickers for the 5 kids starting today, and asked them if they could find their name - DD hung back for a few seconds to see if anyone else would go first, but then went and got her sticker so we went in first. When she got in she spotted a friend and got all excited, and her friend got excited too; then she found the playhouse and that was it! Mummy not needed! So I told her I was going to go, and I'd see her in about an hour, and she gave me a big kiss and a goodbye, and I was off. She is such a star at starting new things! And I love, love, love her for it! Now I shall stop extolling her virtues and calm down a bit ! We had extra time reading in my bedroom tonight as a well done, and she was really pleased with herself. As she went to bed, she said, "Mummy, have I been a dream today?" Love!

Hrrmmm. LGT - that's such good news! I'm really pleased you're allowed to do it how you want to! I'd also like to know how you manage to look so gorgeous after all those children? I've been looking at your profile!

Leo - what a shame that the Leo's ill. Poor love. Don't worry if any routine stuff you try to do goes pear-shaped while he's ill, you'll be able to get it back afterwards. My DH is also not so passionate about bfing, because he has no idea what it does! All the baby stuff is entirely left to me to research and do, and I just tell him what's happening. And the osteopath just got all my energies in the right place again after birthing, and helped put back bones and organs that had been squished out of place into a good place for healing. Just a general MOT kind of thing, but very worthwhile doing. While I was pregnant she helped keep my pelvis where it should be (together!), because it was trying not to be. That and tying it up kept me on my feet until the end!

hum. Long post again. Too much to say and not enough people in RL to say it to!

devondoris · 03/05/2007 20:58

Have you seen what I've just done?? I've let you look at my profile! Finally worked out how to do it. There's photos on there in case anyone wanted to see. It'll only be up until I'm next on the pooter though, so you've only got a few days - if you're really that interested!

lesliephillips · 04/05/2007 07:22

doris your pics are lovely! now to catch up with everything adn everyone else...

frumpygrumpy · 04/05/2007 09:50

Ooh Doris, thanks for the photos! Cheered me up!

I'm not really wanting to moan but I'm having the sort of week where I want to climb onto the roof and shout F**OFF..... a lot. Not at one particular thing, just everything. I admit I must be hard to live with, this week and every week, but DP is pissing me off big style too.

DT2 has been moany the last couple of days (where did he get it from ). This morning he moaned about "I don't want to go to nursery, I want to stay at home" I snapped "well, I want to pack a suitcase and run away but we all have to make sacrifices darling". I am a bitch

Am I weird? Does anyone else fantasise about their roof? Does anyone want to meet me up there?

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Harrogatemum · 04/05/2007 10:41

Am here FG, just not posting at present. . Just feeling too low.

Kelly1978 · 04/05/2007 12:18

I can't believe how much they have grown, devondoris! They look lovely.

We're here for you when you want to chat, hm, hope you are feeling better soon. xx

lesliephillips · 04/05/2007 12:20

grrrr

any room up on that roof FG? is HM up there with you?

frumpygrumpy · 04/05/2007 20:31

Join me on the roof honeybunches. dingdong I love your name It suits you!

HM talk, talk, talk, vent it, moan it, cry it, whinge and whine. We can take it. What age is Maddy now? I found I collapsed a bit when the DTs were 6months. Then total abandonment of sanity around 8months which is when I found MN...... There is something about the early months (adrenalin) that can sail you through. But later dread, exhaustion and resentment can kick in. I know. Stay strong honey and know we are here and know you can say jack diddly squat and we won't think any the worse of you, really xxx.

Hi Kelly

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devondoris · 04/05/2007 20:45

HM - really sorry to hear you're feeling so down. Sending waves of up to you. Talk when you feel like it. Or cry, scream, shout. We're here. Saw your pics the other day and thought you looked fab, by the way.

FG - I understand the roof thing - I tend to want to go to the garage. Often beat the stairs actually when I'm feeling like that. For some bizarre reason it helps.

However, I need an endorphin rush emoticon - I've just been for my first run for a year AND I ran all the way (sort of a slow amble kind of run) AND I did a bit extra AND I feel GREAT!!!!! Sorry about the capitals. But hurray!

Will now try to be calmer and not so in yer face and pour you all soothing drinks and be ready to listen to anything anyone wants to say...

Hugs to all.

devondoris · 04/05/2007 20:45

Forgot to say, DH is actually cooking me dinner! Singapore noodles. Yum. And about time too!

triplets · 04/05/2007 23:00

Hi Guys,
Just been catching up on your news, sounds as though everyone is a little low . I am not trying to be unkind here, but if you think its bad now when they are babies just wait until they are 9 like my three. A for once perfectly pleasant evening has just turned into WW3 with everyone not talking to each other and one of my boys locking himself in the bathroom at 10pm shouting that he hates me. This is because we let them all stay up to watch a really good prog on Animal Planet then said bed at 10pm, then its I`m hungry, thirsty etc, all the usual delay tactics going, followed by starting to play on Nintendos which are already banned until Sun!! So I have just come down having made the peace with everyone except grumpy husband who is watching some rubbish on tv, muttering to himself. Meanwhile I am perfectly calm after treating myself to a bottle of good white wine with my supper. I refuse to be rattled tonight!

Kelly1978 · 04/05/2007 23:19

triplets , go awaaay!

Dya knwo I used to read mars' posts when mine were first born and refuesed to believe that ot could ever get worse than newborn dts. Now they are at the terrible twos and I think this has got to be the worst bit

I'm having hell! Both are as clingy as limpets de to starting preschool. Heeeeelp! They don't want to leave the house EVER cos they are convinced I am going to abandon them for ever. Their aunt took them yest and that lasted 6 hours - so much for my break.

Secodly potty training. Somone please help!!! dt1 is convinced that he no longer needs nappies. So far he has managed one pee-pee on the toilet and can articulate pee-pee and pooooo! Mummy does not agree that this equals potty training time! dt1 disagrees, and screams and throws himself on the floor everytime Mummy brings out a nappy! Heeelp! What do I do?

I did let dt1 have a go, and got 3 wet pants in an hour and a very pissed off dt2 - who is miles off training and screamed until I let him have a sit on the loo, produce othing and still demand smarties.

Maybe twins are supposed to stay in nappies til they are 10. Only affirmatives on a postcard please!

Kelly1978 · 04/05/2007 23:21

hey, triplets, please give me your email or msn please, I need the incentices to enjoy this suppodedly peaceful bit!!

[email protected] (msn/email)

triplets · 04/05/2007 23:30

Ah Kelly,
Just looked at your pics, beautiful beautiful children, so clever you. You have 4 children, I have three and one in Heaven, but three the same age is vey hard. I can honestly say though looking after them as babies and toddlers was lovely, not stressful. The stress has come in the last two years, when I find myself on the floor clearing up things they won`t put away at 9.30pm and they are all still arguing upstairs with father bawling from downstairs. I you may know am a very much older mum, so get tired, very tired, and now I have tinnitus in my ear I never ever get a nights sleep. It is not uncommon for me to be on here hoping to find a MN to chat to at 2am! Just remember that all these things are passing phases, nothing stays the same, believe me! I will CAT you.

triplets · 04/05/2007 23:32

Me again, bowing my head in shame as I still cannot work out how to add pics to my profile, tried three times and nothing, help?

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