d'ya every wonder how life carried on and on and on.....

[Kelly1978]

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Too much waffling, you know who you are

I jsut wanted to psot to say good luck hm, hope you can hold out, but it really sounds like things are moving. Jsut think you could be cuddled upw ith your baby by tomorrow morning!

Glad to hear dt2 is better, fg.

HM, I agree with other posters, that it is a) a variable thing, I bled for a long time after my two births and b) also more likely to feel whacked with being so busy.
But check it out if you are worried, best to have peace of mind. I had a uterine infection after ds1, and mistook my lowgrade temp at night for the sweats you get when the milk comes in. Any discharge or just bleeding?
Hope this passes soon (excuse the pun [fgrin}

The saga of getting dt1 to bed continues tonight, and dh and I are on our knees with tiredness. Hes doing the returning and I am due to take over soon, so I will be on and off line all night

Sorry to hear he's still playing up overrun, at least you have some support there tonight. I always like to take out my frustration with anything the DTs do to annoy me on DH

I can't chat long, I came upstairs with DD to do her bath and hair wash in peace with no DTs (yet) and because my DP is being a wanker and I need to not see him for a little bit. Long and boring......zzzzzzzz.

HM, talk to us, talk to us, I am the queen of feeling low and its taken me two years post DTs to feel like my sense of humour is returning. IMO there is a bliss period after a birth that can last for an unspecified amount of time (for me 2-3 days with DD and 5 months with DTs) after which reality and the acceptance of a life change sets in and adrenalin departs and you are left, alone, dealing with it, smiling through it and cracking through it. Been there many times and currently in dicussion with Andrew Lloyd Webber about the stage version. Say whatever you want, you will feel better xxx.

Overrun, I feel for you, it is hard. I can only reiterate, keep on the same path, its the only way he will understand that you are immovable. Anything else will confuse him. Buy the book I swear by Solving Your Childs Sleep Problem, Dr Richard Ferber. It opens up other way of thinking about sleep and, if nothing else, gives you strength to keep going on the solution you are trying. I will chat more tomorrow, tonight is difficult.

Everyone else, hi, I'm panicking about christmas shopping, have the funeral to go to tomorrow and really have no desire to go but feel I should, and have slightly fallen out with DP because he's being a wanker (IMHO ). Someone tell me is pre-Christmas frazzle and will be ok.......someone.......??????

Peaceful lives and sleeps all, talk soon xxx.

Gosh its quiet on here this weekend. Have just done a mammoth wrapping session after going out for (very dull) lunch with PILs as its FIL's birthday this week and won't see them at Christmas. Had row with DH because his family wind us both up so much, he scraped the side of the car coming out of the car park, blamed me (cos I design multi-storeys in my spare time ) really looking forward to all DH's family coming to us on New Year's Eve and all staying over, stupid invitation made through feeling guilty at not spending Christmas with them...next year will stay home alone I think

Anyway, rant over, how is everyone? HM are you feeling any better? Any luck with bedtime tonight overrun? FG hope the funeral isn't too awful

FG...... It's pre-Christmas frazzle babe!

Well..... 4 of my ladies have now given birth in a 2 week period! Wow! I didn't go to 2 of them (1 decided that she didn't need me and the other clearly decided the same and didn't call... however her DH did a sterling job so job well done I think). They all had girls! lol

Christmas Tree now up and decorations. DS1 is now 14 [gulp!] The DTs have finished playgroup for the term [sob] and the big three finish on Wednesday and Thursday. DS1 is going to the orthodontists to see if he needs a brace. DD1 lost her Oyster card (only cost me £47.20 for the month). DD2 sang in the school choir at the Carols by Candlelight service. Feels like Christmas is beginning now. DT1 is currently crying "cover... cover.... pillow.... pillow". DT2 is sleeping but has an ear ache and a chesty cough. Ah the joys!!!!!!!!!!!

My gorgeous french girl goes home on Saturday. So.. I thought I'd make up a parcel of English/British/etc Christmas foods for her to take back to Bordeaux. So far I have a jar of chilli jam. I'm going to get some super douper mincepies. What else?

I'm going to throw this open to the panel (well the rest of MN then) and see what happens. lol

What are you all getting your DTs for Christmas then?

Hope the funeral goes as well as it can today fg.

Doris, yes more or less sw of London. About 20 mins from the M25 off the m3, so not far out of the way at all really.

My boys have stopped sleeping We got a break fri night, but apparently dt2 woke up again, and he was up agin last night at 12. I don't know what is the matter with them. They arent even having a daytime nap now so they should be tired.

dt2 is being a nightmare in general. I think it might be frustration since he still isn't talking much. He just wants to be naughty all the time, I can't turn my back on him for a second. I'm taking them to soft play this morning in the hope of wearing them out and maybe being able to persuade them to have a nap. It's more likely that I'll be the one worn out and needing a nap.

mars - lemon drizzle cake!
What abotu nice english tea, biscuits or shortbread (I've found that the french and thed spanish really do not know how to make biscuits). Honey, English mustard, devon Fudge, winter mints (my grandad emigrated to canada and we used to have to send them over for him, nothing beats the english ones) Fruit cake.

Thanks everyone for your messages! I have an appointment on Friday to see a doc but have left a message for my midwife to see if she can come over and do the swab before then as dont want to wait over Xmas for the results.

Lapin - please feel free to visit whenever you like!! WE are pretty much always here!

DH has gone off to London again today and he is very down about it - going to look for something else. My Mum is here and has just asked me if I've sent a thank you card to someone for a gift for the baby....I have barely finished the Xmas cards let alone anything else! I think my plan to bake Nigella's muffins on Xmas Day may have to slide.

Does anyone else feel like they haev to put on this front of being superwoman to EVERYBODY?

FG Can't think of the right words to say about the funeral, but my thoughts today are with you and the family.

Doris - weds morn it is.

Kelly my two both went through a phase of not sleeping but was only a short term thing. Am dreading going through it with twins.

Lapin-Ahh the bliss of PIL. I'd happily swap. We only see ours a couple of times a year despite them only living an hour away and having a car. Any help is always left to my side of the family and they barely know our childrens names.

HM-how are you doing?

Mars my family members abroad always stock up on Heinz Beans, Birds custard powder, Colemans mustard, Dairy milk and Galaxy and since it's xmas mint Humbugs.

DS is currently setting off every musical toy he can get his hands on, coving his ears and shouting "too noisy".

I'm shattered. DH spent yesterday having xmas with his DD as she'll be away next week. I spent fri/sat trying to get any last min shopping done, so no time to rest. At least the freezer and cupboards are now stocked and I don't have to worry.

Tomorrow night DH is being taken out by a friend to see his fave band so fingers crossed the twins don't decide to ruin his evening. Although it'll serve him right for leaving me alone so much lately. Not that I'm bitter!

Oops HM didn't notice you'd snuck in before me!

I know exactly what you mean about trying to be superwoman. We usually have open house for the family and any single friends but I just don't feel up to cooking and entertaining so many people.
I'm already feeling guilty though and I know it'll get worse as the week goes on.

(Yesterday the nieghbour knocked to ask in a roundabout way if she was invited for dinner).

FG - hope the funeral was as ok as it could be today. I'm sure you were a wonderful support for your friend. Re the rest - pre-christmas frazzle I'm sure, but possibly a bit of emotional-ness thrown in because of what your friend is going through? Also, just wanted to say re the mirena - I was all set to have one fitted, then I found out that there's quite a high chance of immediate and hard-to-shift weight gain, and as I was already sporting 2 lots of extra baby weight I decided I didn't need any more .

Mars - I use aconite when I feel a cold coming and it works for me. A couple of weeks ago, DT2 had a horrid chesty cold and I was worried the other two would also catch it. DP got some children's echinacea (sp?) from the chemist and I've been giving them a few drops in their water each day. Don't know if that's the reason, but neither DT1 or DD1 have come down with the cold...yet .

Piximon and HM - I know exactly what you mean about trying to be superwoman. I heard a really good suggestion about getting visitors to help. Have a bowl with little bits of paper with tasks on next to the front door. Anyone who arrives gets to pick one - and if they don't, then they don't stay long!! Have to say though, I was awful about asking for help...far too independent for my own good.

Am having a tough time at the moment, particularly with DT2 - think she's started terrible two's three months early. We're getting lots of hysterical crying, throwing herself on the floor when she doesn't get what she wants and she's very clingy to me and/or DP - depending on which one leaves the room . V. v. tedious and am hoping this phase doesn't last too long. The fights over the barbies are so bad, I've bought 2 cheap tesco ones for the DTs for christmas - had vowed not to let any more dolls into the house, but my sanity is more important .

Just had an expensive visit to clarks to get DD1's feet measured - had to do the DTs as well cos they love it even though I thought they were ok. And all 3 had grown - so 3 new pairs of shoes. Thank heavens for my TAMBA discount.

overrun and kelly - hope you get some sleep v. soon.

Now you see Tracy... that's what I like........... regular posting

Pixi and DD... not sure I'll make Wednesday. DT2 streaming at all ends with green stuff just oozing from his nose. Last night he went to bed screaming and tugging on his ear.. so Benylin and Ibruprofen at the ready. So... just keeping an eye. Will be gutted if I don't make it cos I'd love to meet the DTs DD and to see Pixi again.

FG.... thinking of you today.

HM: Tell HD he's always welcome to dinner. He just has to call!

Trying to find DS1's phone (present that he wants). I thought all my shopping was done but this is the only missing thing. Local Carphone Warehouse doesn't have it and the next nearest one has 1 in stock and the DTs are not in the right frame of mind to go out again. Sigh.......... here's hoping they still have it in the morning. I have a sitter coming so that I can pop off and do the dull stuff!

Oh Mars, and I have another twin mum to be who was hoping to meet you and gain insight into the wonders of how to carry on after they get here...And DS is really keen to drag you off to his bedroom again. And we have two local CP warehouses.
Here's hoping your DTs' have improved by weds!

With the exception of xmas, the more children I have the less visitors that come!!!! Is it just me?

FG are you having the mirena? I was going to go for one but my bestfriend had hers removed recently as she had really bad IBS ever since having it put in.

Tracy I have enough trouble getting DH to help, let alone guests.
I'm dreading the forthcoming Clarks visits. Will just have to hope they all grow at different times. My local Clarks is an Outlet one, but unless you bulk buy (15 pairs) they charge more than the normal shop!

Fingers crossed Pixi!

....more advice from mummies required! Both DTs are sick - DT1 has an ear infection and nasty cold, DT2 has nasty cold with on/off temperature and rasping cough.

Now the baby is all snuffly and coughs so much after a feed that she projectile vomits after about one in every two feeds. I am worried that all the germs flying around mean she has got something and am aware I cant give her any medication as she is not even three weeks old yet!! Is there anything I can do to make her feel better and / or ensure she doesnt get any worse???? God I'm glad you lot are here, my midwife discharged me 10 days ago and I have yet to hear a word from the Health Visitor, when I went into the docs the other day my discharge notes were still in her tray a week later. I have a good mind to complain!

poor little baby! I jsut used to use steam and raise the head of the cot. But you can get drops from the chemist to put in the nose to help clear it, and I've even heard that a drop of breast milk or water in the nose helps. Not really sure how! Hoep she is better soon. x

Nasal drops is all the doc will give you for the baby i expect, otherwise what keely said really. It is so hard when they are tiny, you feel helpless. Just get the medised out for the dts and keep them in and warm, god it is awful when they are all ill. You just have to say sod the rest of the house and hunker down. Sending you huge hugs
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Fg i hope you are ok and it all goes smoothly. I cant imagine how hard it must be.

Im very jealous of all you meeting up, no one lives near me i dont think.

We dont get invited anywhere for xmas anymore, everyone descends on us. I wouldnt go anywhere anyway, how on earth would i get all the xmas pressies in the car with all the kids...

I have been wrapping piles of pressies toady, it looks like santas grotto!!!

Fg, hope that it went as well as it could do. How are you?
Will try and post more this evening. We are seeing a financial advisor about mortgages tonight, so am sorting the children out early

HM when mine are ill I dose them up with medised, put the dvd on and snuggle up with a duvet on the sofa with them, its the only way to go! Won't comment on how mine are doing at the mo as I don't want to jinx it just in time to spending xmas away...

V. sad news I'm afraid, FIL died today . It's such a shame, he was doing so much better. He'd had an op to bypass his stomach so he could eat and it seemed to have been successful and on Friday they moved him from the hospital in Coventry (1.5 hour trip each way for MIL) to a Macmillan hospice in Evesham (10 mins away). But they couldn't get an ambulance to move him so they put him in a VW Polo. How ridiculous is that, moving an 80 year old man who's termimally ill and just had major surgery in a small car .

HM - only other thing I've heard is good for a horrid cough/cold is a humidifier in the room with the baby...if you don't have one, a bowl of water on top of the radiator is supposed to be as good.

FG - hope you are ok.

Oh Tracy that is so sad and so soon after his diagnosis too. He must have been in a huge amount of pain and the only consolation now will be that the suffering is over. Thinking of you and your family

I'm sorry for your loss tracy. How's your DH doing?

Oh Tracey, I'm so sorry to hear your news.

HM I saw something in Sainsburys the other day to suck mucas out of babies noses. Sounds gross but it just goes into a collection tube and when times must...

Am off to my AN appt now to tell them I'm just not ready to be induced on Thurs...DH is out tonight so hoping they don't decided today's the day.

Hi girls.

Tracy how very, very sad. It is that type of thing that turns the sadness into anger and gives you feelings you don't wish to have at a time of grief. At this time of year too the contrast of Christmas cheer and grief does not work. So sorry to hear it xx.

The funeral was beautiful and awful. The service was touching and funny and strong and tearful and delicate. It was packed with people. The children were upset and one of the little boys had to be carried away at the end crying "daddy daddy" . There was not one person not sobbing hard. We are going out after school tomorrow with DDs little friend. I feel a bit haunted when I see her (if thats the right word) but if she can do it.....

Tracy, sorry to hear of your loss. Will be thinking of you and your family.

piximom, good luck with the midwife.

My boys are going to be seperated tonight for the first time. Dt2 is being such a handful, and I think a lot of it is frustration and he could do with some quality time without having to share with the other 3. So he is off to stay with his uncle (who he adores) for a day or two. It's going to be strange for me too, only having one baby to think about! I jsut hope the boys are ok.

Good luck pixi, you stand strong. These babes are comfy in there and why should you go along with the consultant just because he'd like a neat and tidy Christmas, Christmas isn't neat and tidy!!! Bring him on!!

My Christmas shoping is not finished and I have wrapped nothing...dirty nappies are put straight outside when they happen so the shit has no way of reaching the fan.

Hi all, catch up soon, will read the bits I missed properly tonight.