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Went through our finances and we're fucked.

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ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 00:34

Unfuckably fucked.
£14900 in unsecured debt
£4500 income pm
£4232 outgoing pm

3 kids at home
no hope of saving for a deposit
credit rating through the floor
DMP’s and IVAs will fuck us even more and mean No hope getting a mortgage ever.

not much hope of getting a better job because of mental health/ADHD

totally stuck and I don’t know where to start,
Have been burying my head in the sand for literally years. Consequences of that are now apparent [redacted by MNHQ]

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Khany778 · 02/09/2023 10:16

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, I've not read the full thread...if your OH is in the Police I would strongly recommend talking to Police Copperpot credit union. They have helped me and lots of colleagues out of a hole many times. I consolidated lots of unmanageble credit card debt into one loan. Its salary sacrifice so no concerns about defaulting either. I buried my head in the sand but they are very approachable and understanding and take a common sense approach rather than 'computer says no'. Good luck OP 😘

ASDMumof2 · 02/09/2023 10:16

Hi @ClusterFukt your debts aren't huge, but this financial crisis makes them untenable. It's an absolute sh1t isn't it?

I think you're doing the right thing negotiating, but don't let them tell you how much you'll pay, you need to manage what is affordable overall. Citizens advice helped my DSis out years ago - her now ex-DH refused to pay for anything so it was all on her to manage debt - mainly credit cards - of more than £35k they'd built up over 12 years. She applied for a Lloyd's bank account under tgeur guidance, got tgat and was able to build her credit profile back in a few short years, even with payments going out.

You need to have enough money every month to buy food and other essentials. I'd suggest at least £700 as there are several of you, so work backwards from that.

Def cut down everything. I'm sure you're thinking about Christmas too - buying a little each week/month. And where to buy boxed good condition second hand electronics or things the kids will enjoy for tears, like lego which can be bought cheaply second hand.

Maybe sky or TV shows become presents too. Honestly imo, Disney is about the best buy TV package.

Sending you good luck x

SoShallINever · 02/09/2023 10:17

She's already explained that her son lives with his Dad for part of the week, so isn't at her home full time.

emmylousings · 02/09/2023 10:18

You have the chance to change how your kids view money and stuff now, and show them a better way. Being 'chronic overspenders" just means you are buying pointless stuff you don't need, making profits for someone else and stress for yourselves. You can see that now.
I don't want to come across all pompous, but I buy my kids basically bugger all for xmas / bdays, they don't care coz they are used to it. They aren't bothered about stuff. Genuinely, its freeing.
You can change your mindset and be happier. All that stuff you've bought has made you miserable. Don't wallow in guilt or shame though, it's not your fault, its just capitalism.

CornishTiger · 02/09/2023 10:22

By PC I assume you mean Police. I’d seriously look at what impact any debt solutions like IVA and bankruptcy would have on that and disclosure.

Then make a plan.

Firstly you absolutely need to do your budget according to priority. Rent, Council tax, energy,water and food. Then work related and school expenses such as transport and uniform (secondhand as much as possible).

check if you are eligible for any benefits such as universal credit.

I know you have a high ish income, but you also have high rent and depending on the amount of children you can claim for are you may well qualify especially if you have any childcare costs such as wraparound care

Are you eligible to join any social housing registers. Each area has its own criteria and local connections and income thresholds. Research them. Family members such as mother brother father sister can also give you like a connection again check the criteria. This might be the route to long-term secure accommodation.

ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 10:28

Fuck I’m so sorry. This is how bad I am with finances and remembering stuff I should have made clear part of our income includes UC of £750pm and CHB £159 Pm I make £1400pm af the moment which will rise to £1600 next month when I start my 2nd job and DH brings in £2200pm he’s going up some extra shifts on response and working carnival weekend for double pay so hopefully will have a bit more in his pay next month

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19lottie82 · 02/09/2023 10:28

Head over to the MSE “debt free wannabe” and post a statement of affairs (they have a template).
they will be able to help, but be warned they are brutal.

ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 10:29

Sorry he Worked carnival weekend, fat thumbs this morning

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ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 10:29

Rent is £1650pm

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ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 10:30

Khany778 · 02/09/2023 10:16

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, I've not read the full thread...if your OH is in the Police I would strongly recommend talking to Police Copperpot credit union. They have helped me and lots of colleagues out of a hole many times. I consolidated lots of unmanageble credit card debt into one loan. Its salary sacrifice so no concerns about defaulting either. I buried my head in the sand but they are very approachable and understanding and take a common sense approach rather than 'computer says no'. Good luck OP 😘

Looking at this now, thank you.

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DorasAuntie · 02/09/2023 10:36

OP have you been medically diagnosed with ADHD (or is it self diagnosis?)

Have you sought help for this to help with your organisational skills?

Based on what you have said about being disorganised and forgetting things, do you rely on memory rather than electronic devices that can give you reminders etc?

Have you any strategies to manage your behaviour?

Do you need help with this?

DragonDoor · 02/09/2023 10:38

What I meant was, they have enough money to live on

It’s all a matter of perspective

katepilar · 02/09/2023 10:41

ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 00:43

thank you. Probably waste of your time though. I can’t see a way out.

What help are you getting with your mental health?

Nanny0gg · 02/09/2023 10:43

ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 01:20

Ok so vinted, CA, CAP. will try these too. the house is absolutely cram packed with utter shit. There has to be some stuff that someone wants. Will vinted work out the maths of selling my brain doesn’t do numbers as you can probably guess.

Does your partner's brain do numbers?

Is he in this with you?

Can he possibly get a few hours extra work somewhere as he's training?

ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 10:45

I am on antidepressants and just finished CBT. I am on a diagnosis pathway but waiting times are very long. Both my GP and therapist strongly suspect ADHD. Therapist spotted it and GP agreed and referred me.

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ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 10:46

Nanny0gg · 02/09/2023 10:43

Does your partner's brain do numbers?

Is he in this with you?

Can he possibly get a few hours extra work somewhere as he's training?

He is much better with numbers but is an ostrich just like me.

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Nanny0gg · 02/09/2023 10:46

ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 01:58

Thank you. I hope I can do it. My kids deserve so much better than this. They are the best kids and I can’t even do right by them financially. Awful mum.

Why 'awful mum' (which you're not)
You're not on your own. Surely it took both of you to get where you are?

Fairydustxox · 02/09/2023 10:46

ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 10:29

Rent is £1650pm

Omg 😨your rent is more than your wage. No wonder you can't save for a deposit

Totaly · 02/09/2023 10:46

OP once you have a plan in place you need to keep on top of it. They way you are feeling is because it feels out of control.

Make sure you check you bank balance every day, set an alarm to do so - this will give you a reminder of your situation and keep you on track.

Do not splurge on pay day - if you have any treat money make it the end of the month for doing well.

Look at previous pensions you may have paid into - you can get back money you paid in (but not your employer) it’s worth checking.

Once you’ve paid off one debt snowball the payment into the next debt. It will get paid off quicker.

As for Christmas, you need to manage expectations. We’ve had secondhand bikes, clothes and toys - kids didn’t notice or care.

Look at places like Shein, things are much cheaper for stocking fillers, bit buy things they need, PJs socks underwear to bill out the gifts, wrap chocolate treats. Go to free events - carole singing, church do family events by candle light and are quite nice. Lights being switched on. Kids remember the good times not the gifts.

ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 10:48

Fairydustxox · 02/09/2023 10:46

Omg 😨your rent is more than your wage. No wonder you can't save for a deposit

Sounds mad but it’s actually cheap compared to what we’d be charged if we moved house in this area now, £2000+pm for a similar property in this part of Greenwich borough

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Fairydustxox · 02/09/2023 10:49

Im sort of in the same boat but I usually go mad for Christmas and birthdays. After spending a week de cluttering I found toys some brand new I sold on vinted and have some to charity just so I had space as it was overwhelming. My advice is only buy things they need at Christmas, I use to buy for the sake of buying to make up for more presents and they didn't get used.

Fairydustxox · 02/09/2023 10:50

ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 10:48

Sounds mad but it’s actually cheap compared to what we’d be charged if we moved house in this area now, £2000+pm for a similar property in this part of Greenwich borough

I can well imagine, I'm in Yorkshire and my rent is 600. Crazy the difference in prices in different areas

mateysmum · 02/09/2023 10:51

OP You've had some really good advice on here about how to manage the debt but as a couple of other posters have mentioned, it's just as important to manage spending ongoing and be really, really disciplined about it. From your posts on here I get the feeling you might be a bit disorganised and "flutter brained" especially when it's something stressful.
I would sit down and do a spread sheet detailing EVERYTHING you spend. So obviously all the regular payments but ideally go back over say the last 3 months and list all the key categories - groceries / eating out / kids / maintenance / car etc. You will soon see where you are spending and can potentially save.
Then going forward, enter every penny you spend - both you and DH. Sounds really tedious but it will force you to see where the money is actually going. Your Monzo account will help you do this.
From a few posts here I was somewhat horrified that you are still having takeaways/eating out/have streaming subscriptions etc. and am glad you've started to cut back on these. Also, the kids will survive a low key Christmas. They really will. It is far more important to keep a roof over their heads.
Also as you are now making some savings and earning a bit more, make sure that this is going towards cutting your debts - don't be tempted to use it as discretionary spending.
I wish you all the best. Acknowledging the problem is the first step to solving it.

ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 10:51

Nanny0gg · 02/09/2023 10:46

Why 'awful mum' (which you're not)
You're not on your own. Surely it took both of you to get where you are?

I just feel like an awful mum right now. Not helpful I know. It will pass. I don’t feel DH is an awful Dad because of this. I struggle to apply empathy to myself.

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Nanny0gg · 02/09/2023 10:52

ClusterFukt · 02/09/2023 10:46

He is much better with numbers but is an ostrich just like me.

Well you've unstuck your head so now he has to do the same.

You're getting to grips with it all and now he needs to do the same. Two heads are better than one!