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One in six PIP claimants have no extra costs linked to their disability

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Allseeingallknowing · 15/10/2026 14:39

https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/40693771/pip-claimants-disability-benefit/
So, can money be saved here?

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ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 14:10

Noras · 17/10/2026 13:28

Clearly you have never cared much - maybe for a parent but not for 2 parents and children who are disabled.

On that note why not make parents of adult offenders responsible for their adult kids crimes and to pay for their imprisonment

Why not make parents of adult bankrupt kids responsible for their debts

All these things cost society hugely

These adult might have family so their family / parents can pay for their crimes and their bankruptcy after all that’s a family’s responsibility.

Let’s ditch UC for those with adult kids who have parents with savings - after all families should stand together. The parents should pay their benefits.

I think you’re onto something with some of those ideas… I mean parents already expected to provide for adult children at uni.

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 14:12

BugJuice · 17/10/2026 13:37

There have been many threads on here where people have said things to that effect. Just this week there was a thread where posters were talking about the ‘financial incentives’ of giving up work to care for a disabled child.
You seem to think that there is a way for the most vulnerable people in our society to be cared for in a way that isn’t a ‘burden’ on the tax payer. Sadly, in a capitalist world, that’s just not feasible. It’s also part of the social contract… those who are able to look after themselves have a responsibility to help those who can’t.
By giving up my job to care for my disabled son full time, the cost to the tax payer in lost tax paid was considerable. Would I rather I could work? Absolutely yes.

It’s not about finding a way that isn’t a burden. They’ll always be a burden, and that’s ok. The mark of a society is how well it looks after those that can’t look after themselves.

it’s about providing for them in a way that maximises value for money and is affordable for the society. No-one, including societies, should ditch their vulnerable (and I’m amazed at how many on this thread are implying they’ll do just that to their own children) nor spend money they don’t have.

roaringdragon · 17/10/2026 14:12

Kirbert2 · 17/10/2026 13:26

Yep.

I'm not just a mum, I'm a nurse, physio etc too.

With everything that goes with that and no let up. The physical and mental toll of caring is underestimated.

BluebellBeth · 17/10/2026 14:12

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 13:16

Yes maybe. And that’s part of the duty of living and caring for family.

what’s the alternative? to put the burden on some disconnected randomer (= tax payer, with all the added bureaucracy cost associated with it).

It’s a mentality change but I really think society would be better if we got back to being more family oriented, understood what they meant in terms of duty and responsibilities, were more self reliant, and the state could focus on the big ticket items rather than have to step in so much on an individuals day to day life.

And how does the person who's given up their job to care for their elderly parents/disabled children survive with no income? Or is the hope they all just die?

roaringdragon · 17/10/2026 14:13

There is a big difference between vouchers and a motability vehicle.

Kirbert2 · 17/10/2026 14:13

roaringdragon · 17/10/2026 14:12

With everything that goes with that and no let up. The physical and mental toll of caring is underestimated.

It really is.

People who don't do it have absolutely no idea. None.

BluebellBeth · 17/10/2026 14:14

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 13:45

It’s not out of the goodness of someone’s heart though, is it. It’s out of a sense of duty to one’s loved ones. Earlier this year in our family we had a medical situation which meant family members had to take weeks of work and fly to different countries to support. It just happened. As family are there for one another in times of need

and how does a sense of duty fund petrol costs? Again, lucky you for having the money to do so, not everyone does. You really are deluded.

Kirbert2 · 17/10/2026 14:15

roaringdragon · 17/10/2026 14:13

There is a big difference between vouchers and a motability vehicle.

I can't believe this is having to be pointed out.

BugJuice · 17/10/2026 14:15

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 13:45

It’s not out of the goodness of someone’s heart though, is it. It’s out of a sense of duty to one’s loved ones. Earlier this year in our family we had a medical situation which meant family members had to take weeks of work and fly to different countries to support. It just happened. As family are there for one another in times of need

And what if that ‘time of need’ lasts 40+ years? Our ‘time of need’ with DS had been going on for 7 years now, and will continue until he dies.

BugJuice · 17/10/2026 14:17

BluebellBeth · 17/10/2026 14:12

And how does the person who's given up their job to care for their elderly parents/disabled children survive with no income? Or is the hope they all just die?

I think that is the hope, essentially.

pointythings · 17/10/2026 14:17

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 13:16

Yes maybe. And that’s part of the duty of living and caring for family.

what’s the alternative? to put the burden on some disconnected randomer (= tax payer, with all the added bureaucracy cost associated with it).

It’s a mentality change but I really think society would be better if we got back to being more family oriented, understood what they meant in terms of duty and responsibilities, were more self reliant, and the state could focus on the big ticket items rather than have to step in so much on an individuals day to day life.

The logical consequence of that is that there will be a significant group of people who do not have family connections and support who will end up destitute. And I know what you're going to suggest for them: back to the workhouse.

Because if you don't institutionalise these people, they will turn to crime, at a significant cost to the taxpayer.

Everything you want is about turning back the clock. There's a reason why society has changed the way it operates with regards to disabled people: the old ways didn't work, and were cruel and immoral besides.

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 14:18

dreamiesformolly · 17/10/2026 13:37

What are your reasons for suggesting it, then?

I’ve said previously if you go back through the thread.

roaringdragon · 17/10/2026 14:19

Kirbert2 · 17/10/2026 14:15

I can't believe this is having to be pointed out.

Sadly, I can. It is the same with people saying motabilty vehicles are ‘free’.

Noras · 17/10/2026 14:30

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 14:04

A few do but many don’t let’s be honest which is why we are in the mess

Couldn’t agree more. That’s my and other posters point.

Telling someone to shut up just because you disagree with them is a bit extreme. Are you so rude in real life?

Yes when people are trying to make me work harder as an unpaid carer. I think that my response is quite muted.

People have staged rebellions when treated as slave labour which is what this is.

XenoBitch · 17/10/2026 14:31

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 13:16

Yes maybe. And that’s part of the duty of living and caring for family.

what’s the alternative? to put the burden on some disconnected randomer (= tax payer, with all the added bureaucracy cost associated with it).

It’s a mentality change but I really think society would be better if we got back to being more family oriented, understood what they meant in terms of duty and responsibilities, were more self reliant, and the state could focus on the big ticket items rather than have to step in so much on an individuals day to day life.

Burden? is that how you see disabled and elderly now?
My friend recently had her mum moved into a care home because she could not look after her anymore. It was not due to lack of wanting to, or trying to palm her off on to someone else. Her DM has dementia. As it goes on, it gets harder and harder to handle, and they need specialised care and someone with them 24/7.
No one can do that at home, and somehow work and bring up their own children at the same time.
My grandad had family help, but he drew the line at personal care. He had carers in for that. He wanted some dignity.
And it is always the women in the family that are expected to give up everything for their parents. My DM was a carer for her MIL... not even her own mum, but the sons would not lift a finger.

What do the people giving up work to look after their parents live on?

AmberTigerEyes · 17/10/2026 14:41

BluebellBeth · 17/10/2026 14:12

And how does the person who's given up their job to care for their elderly parents/disabled children survive with no income? Or is the hope they all just die?

“person” usually means a woman has to give up their education, career and so on to care for their elderly and disabled family members. Back in those glory days @ExpectMore is waxing eloquent on it was common for a daughter to be kept at home specifically to nurse her parents through old age. No sense spending money educating her, and working would be discouraged. Mothers disproportionately are expected to sacrifice everything to care for a disabled child. Then these women are later reviled for not having saved for their old age.

AmberTigerEyes · 17/10/2026 14:45

pointythings · 17/10/2026 14:17

The logical consequence of that is that there will be a significant group of people who do not have family connections and support who will end up destitute. And I know what you're going to suggest for them: back to the workhouse.

Because if you don't institutionalise these people, they will turn to crime, at a significant cost to the taxpayer.

Everything you want is about turning back the clock. There's a reason why society has changed the way it operates with regards to disabled people: the old ways didn't work, and were cruel and immoral besides.

They might suggest euthanasia, there is a worrying overlap amongst people who do not want to contribute their taxes to care for the disabled and the elderly and being in favour of assisted dying. Never mind that we will all get old and many who are abled will become disabled before pension age.

dreamiesformolly · 17/10/2026 14:54

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 14:18

I’ve said previously if you go back through the thread.

Yes, I know you did, but I agree with pp - your reasons appear to be based on not trusting people to budget responsibly.

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 14:59

TigerRag · 17/10/2026 13:42

Your lack of empathy is shocking

Bit of a peculiar reaction to someone directly answering your question. You OK? There’s help you know

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 15:01

Kirbert2 · 17/10/2026 13:52

It didn't just happen though, did it? It only happened because they were able to take weeks off work in the first place and could afford flights.

That isn't possible for everyone.

and again, weeks is weeks. Very different to day in, day out, every single day.

Would they be in a position to just quit their jobs and move over there permanently with little notice?

The possibility has been discussed should the need arise. It’d be tough but as a family we’d find a way.

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 15:04

Kirbert2 · 17/10/2026 14:07

How different is it from me explaining how worrying vouchers would be in the case of my complex child considering his multiple surgeries and the fact that a fever can kill him and you start your response to that comment with 'lol' like it is all just so fucking hilarious?

clearly the LOL not in response to your child’s situation as should have been clear by the point I made.

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 15:05

BluebellBeth · 17/10/2026 14:12

And how does the person who's given up their job to care for their elderly parents/disabled children survive with no income? Or is the hope they all just die?

There’s various scenarios under which it’d work. Proven by the fact people do it already.

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 15:06

roaringdragon · 17/10/2026 14:12

With everything that goes with that and no let up. The physical and mental toll of caring is underestimated.

I can imagine the never ending nature of it would be tough. Personally I’d find that and the restrictions on my own free time challenging.

dreamiesformolly · 17/10/2026 15:07

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 15:01

The possibility has been discussed should the need arise. It’d be tough but as a family we’d find a way.

And have you - personally, directly - been involved in this situation, or has it all been on other family members to make sacrifices and interrupt their lives?

Kirbert2 · 17/10/2026 15:08

ExpectMore · 17/10/2026 15:04

clearly the LOL not in response to your child’s situation as should have been clear by the point I made.

The point which actually isn't a point if you know how the mobility part of PIP/DLA works.

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