Botwatch 86!!! the continuing saga of MLM. When 99.6% of people joining MLM are destined to lose money is that an opportunity or a scam?

[Spongebobette]

On this thread we are botwatchers - watching multi level marketing bots and exposing their manipulations and misleading claims

and Yawn is out with the dodgy coach (wonder what she’s paying her?). No due diligence done on that business relationship

they are on a carousel grinning like idiots and going round and round which is a metaphor for something or other

The brochure for the manor has more photographs, floor plans, and also room sizes in square meters. To my uneducated eye, the place looks in good repair, though I have the impression much of the space is unused... maybe it's been cleaned out and spruced up, to get it ready for sale.

The agent selling the manor says it could be converted back into a single residence. It seems unlikely that someone with £2m to spend plus a few hundred thousand to convert it to a dwelling will want to live on an industrial estate. As an office it's a bit of a liability as it's grade II listed (which the agent doesn't mention). I wonder if it will prove hard to shift?*

Someone with £2m to spend can afford to be fussy, if they want a country house then they'll want the land and views that comes with it and this one just doesn't have it, that said, it could do well as a venue for weddings etc...

Does uber think today is Christmas Eve?

Everything’s a moveable feast in the slippery world of MLM @Norma27 😉

Is anyone going to apply to be a member of Nurse’s special teeny tiny WhatsApp group?

At this point it's clear yawn is in real trouble. As ex police staff getting involved with a ex convict is dangerous territory. Her father is also ex police so you would of thought someone slightly sensible would have a word.

If a crim is targeting Yawn as they believe she might still have contacts in the Cops to get info from they're going to be sadly disappointed. I can guarantee there isn't a single member of the Police she is still in touch with as they will have far more sense than to get involved with Yawn!

I’m sure it’s not as clever or strategic as that

it’s just that Yawn is now swimming in waters full of piranhas looking to find their next meal. Her so called coach is one of them, and divorce bot, and the likes of Fierce are always lurking

‘collaboration’ to these people means getting hold of someone’s audience and contact list

I meant in terms of even with her limited Intelligence even she should of realised that divorce bot was a bad move. Yawn wouldn't have the first idea she's the victim in this.

I think she is aware that just like her, Divorce Bot is trying to hide bits of her history, and is out of the same mould, but Yawn isn't asking too many questions. She can't afford to pass up an association that might benefit her in the short term. If it doesn't benefit her or they (inevitably) fall out then she can use the information about Divorce Bot to distance herself, publicly if necessary. But while it seems beneficial to Yawn she will wave away Divorce Bot's forensic history.

This is what MLM teaches - put on your blinkers and focus on a series of apparently easy and quick wins. Operate in the short term always. The MLMs keep the pace fast and frenetic to keep them distracted. Whatever you do don't think broadly or too far ahead or you'll see the flaws in what you're doing and the damage it's doing to you and others. Don't question the ethics because that is what losers do. Find other "winners" who think like you, ignore those who question things as they are lazy/unimaginative/envious. And when MLM is done with you become a coach and carry on just the same so that you don't have to address the psychological cul-de-sac you're trapped in.

In the new year it will be interesting to see what she does. We know she knows about Divorce Bot thanks to @Twentytwentyhindsight because there is no way she didn't read the articles after she'd hastily deleted the post about D Bot. My money's still on her pushing ahead with the "collaboration" (agree with your definition of MLM collaboration @Spongebobette) whilst keeping a close eye on her SM feed. They will fall out or distance from each other by the end of January in the interests of self preservation when it turns out neither has anything concrete to offer the other.

She's not that smart or she wouldn't be in her current financial predicament but she is smart enough to recognise a fellow grifter and desperate enough to take her chances. Her main problem is that Divorce Bot is probably smarter than her.

BTW if you're knocking around at NYE you can sign up to a membership event where in conjunction with Yawn you set light to your goals which you've written on scraps of paper. You will need a source of fire and Yawn says she will be using her wood burner to send those fluttery bits of flaming paper thatchwards.

If you're knocking around but don't want to sacrifice the price of a Starbucks to attend the membership event then you can watch for free from the side of the adjacent A road as the local fire brigade risk life and limb to bring the blaze under control.

Manifestation is all the rage isn’t it. Yawn and now Nurse creating groups around LoA and manifestation. I think we used to call it wishful thinking

so much easier than actual work

perhaps you could manifest how to spell January

@Spongebobette I didn't actually notice the spelling mistake, I was more concentrating on the fact Nurse was late posting about it because she "got distracted"....that bodes well for the group!

OMG I think I would divorce my DH if he gifted me a membership to the Unlucky girl club. Yet another desperate attempt at marketing by Yawn. I don’t believe for one minute any man in his right mind would do that.
I would be incredibly offended if my DH thought I needed to focus on my self care. It’s almost “pull your socks up” message, “ your failing in your duties”

@Angrymum22 yes, I think we can be absolutely certain that no one has bought a Yawn gift voucher because outside her shrinking band of followers who would know the existence of her endeavours let alone the existence of so called gift vouchers?! Of the dwindling followers precisely no one has asked for a Yawn voucher for Christmas, I'd bet the price of a Starbucks on that.

I wonder why Nurse is taking the WhatsApp route. Is it to keep the lack of interest in her manifesting and life coaching less public? Or has she received the message that all LoA/manifesting coaching is Yawn's domain? I could see her being easily intimidated. I hope she's just getting on with her new job and the coaching has simply become less dominant.

I expect a WhatsApp group is on the dropdown menu on the coaching academy Nurse pays for under ‘ ideas to build your coaching business’

I couldn't think of anything more soul destroying than a yawn voucher. I'd throw it in the bin.

@Spongebobette Yawn has posted this on her OWN instagram!

I wouldn’t subject my bin to such rubbish!

OMG

whats that quote from Burns?
O wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us!

Considering the complexities of diagnosing personality disorders it's amazing how definite so many people are about narcissists. Here's an update for the ICD diagnostic criteria:

Patient shares memes about narcissism. Patient diagnoses narcissism in others.
Patient reports they are surrounded by narcissists and defines narcissists as other people who do and say things the patient doesn't like and other people who do not comply with the patient's rules or do not defer to the patient.
Patient reports that they have met many narcissists in the past.
Patient lacks insight when describing the behaviour of others or themselves
Patient likely to be a network marketer or associated coach.

Yeah the world and his dog is a narcissist nowadays, people use it without a clue to what it actually means....

Ah but for a narcissist, everyone who doesn’t bow down to them is a narcissist

It’s a bit like Weird Willy who kept marrying narcissists