Botwatch 86!!! the continuing saga of MLM. When 99.6% of people joining MLM are destined to lose money is that an opportunity or a scam?

[Spongebobette]

On this thread we are botwatchers - watching multi level marketing bots and exposing their manipulations and misleading claims

True!

I suspect that Yawn identifies some of the Queen Bee characteristics in certain high ranking bots who have recently moved to Yawnsville. Hence the post.
The problem with narcissists is that they would never see the traits in themselves. I identified them in my MIL years ago, before it became the latest psycho babble, only because of her atypical relationship with my DH. I found it confusing why she treated him so differently from his brothers. The damage can never be repaired. Fortunately DS is wise to her manipulative ways and keeps her at arm’s length.
I think Yawn has traits but she’s thick as shit so is unlikely to be a true narc. I suspect she is just spoilt and stupid, and unable to read people as well as she thinks. A true narc would not have a pack of dogs for example. They are not animal lovers, in fact they are not really people lovers. People are there to love them. Yawn just craves attention, she desperately wants to be a Queen Bee but doesn’t have the charisma.
Queen Bees are adored by their followers, and are very careful not to upset anyone unless they are a threat to their throne. I suspect that this is why Yawn has clashed with Uber. Uber is a classic Queen Bee and particularly successful at it. She has a huge network of friends that she has carefully looked after for years. She is careful not to mix business with the friends she really values but has no problem using less interesting people in business.

i've always thought it odd that if you go out together as a couple then bring a mate along as well? it's just strange. Yawn really is behaving in a very odd way lately. She is very much a lady who has lost her way.

Yawn and her coach went out as a couple and Mr Yawn came along to take carefully staged spontaneous "having fun" photos!

These photos are important to Yawn as the competition (Uber) is posting a lot about how charitable/family oriented/well liked she is so Yawn needs to demonstrate what a good time she is having without all the narcissistic queen bees who have surrounded her up until July.

There is nothing authentic in anything either of these two bots post and it's usually pretty obvious when they are having a dig at each other or defending their fragile ego in Yawn's case.

I am no expert but having studied at the University of YouTube my understanding is that narcissists come in different varieties.

Very true. I wonder what the actual falling out was over.

I hope this link works below. Very interesting if you scroll through the screenshots. Homeschool when in forever living (before she was booted and bankrupt) wanted to pay £500 to someone to ditch a manager leg to her. Shady AF as the youngsters say. Currently Homeschool is lamenting on her own facebook how she was visiting food banks 6 months ago but of course has risen like a phoenix with her new Livegood grift.

www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=245511929153868&id=100010851881780

I mean't to add if anyone wonders why I've only recently popped up I've always lurked as I've had a few friends suckered into various schemes and I've broken my knee (tibial plateau fracture, 2 plates and a bunch of screws) so I'm passing the time gleefully digging for dirt and pissing bots off whilst I'm recovering :)

@Mielabel one of the following reasons or all four?

1. Yawn's allegiance to an upline's ex-DH's new DW and probably speaking out of turn.

1. Yawn's income lies drawing attention to FLP UK. I expect Uber knows what negative attention this bought the UK from the US HQ. Plus the histrionics in the airport which was badly timed after the TiNA report. The US HQ doesn't give a shit about UK based push back (not that there is much) but the TiNA report is high profile and there is crossover with the FTC. It's a real problem. Yawn didn't take the hint about her feed and we've all got the screenshots of the income lies continuing. Uber won't care about the lies but she will care about the potential damage to her income.

1. Uber taking the Yawnsville crown and encroaching upon Yawn's turf in the recruitment of local operatives and supply of Aloe in what should be known as a Cunty Lines battle.

1. Yawn has pissed off a number of people in a number of ways and Bloodsucker has not managed to teach her the dark art of rinsing people while making it look like you've their favourite aunty and massive favour to them and has thrown in the towel and Uber has simply seen an opportunity to sideline Yawn during a perfect storm of Yawn crimes against the Botsphere.

Oh yes @Botpotty I remember that post. There were also some posts clearly demonstrating Uber's abrupt commands to underlings as she manipulated things for her own gain regardless of the outcomes for others. None of that should be forgotten either.

Mrs Homeschool is having trouble rising like a phoenix isn't she? More Dodo than Phoenix. I think she's only back in a scam because she has had to appear whiter than white while doing battle with Weird Willy. He lost the fight and has probably been told to get a proper job. Those poor kids always have one or other of their feckless parents clambering to get back on the Insolvency Register.

Why does yawn continuously lie about where they live? She now claims they live in a exceptionally rural hamlet with literally no houses? They live on a really really busy main A road right by the motorway. I'll never get the lies

@YouOKHun ah sorry this is old news, I thought I'd found a nugget.

It was one of Homeschools downline that hooked my good but gullible and vunerable (at the time) friend in masquerading as a kind PT at the Gym.

I complained to the Gym their PT was recruiting with gloop, but it then transpired she wasn't a PT at the Gym, just a regular member. They did revoke her membership but of course she could move to any Gym and do the same.

Due to this Homeschool and her parsley loving ex spouse have always been on my radar as a totally toxic duo. And their poor children pushed from pillar to post , home to home, feast or famine. It would appear the older child who is no longer mentioned either now has his privacy respected or lives with his other parent and gets the support he needs, rather than is own signup for Livegood.

No details on a public board, but what transpired between Homeschool and WW was extremely dark. She's an absolute moron for getting on board with LiveGood, and I wouldn't trust her with 50p, but he is downright evil.

If any of you have eaten too many mince pies and are feeling queasy I urge you NOT to watch the US Bossbloke's Christmas message.

Keep in mind that playing in the background is some tinkly "Christmas Classix" musak which will not help with the queasiness. He starts with a summary of the Christmas story and mentions how the innkeeper was the only one not to turn J, M and JC away and then says something along the lines of "and you know, it's a bit like Forever Living, we never turn anyone away either". Ain't that the truth.

Then he mentions his family tradition of buying a second Christmas tree (who is paying for that? Someone who can't afford one tree thanks to FLP?). THEN he has to stop and gather, gather, gather as he fights back tears, his voice faltering. Fucking crocodile tears with a bit of festive pressure to be open to aloe Vera opportunities. Insincere.

@Botpotty it is a nugget of truth and worth sharing again as it shows what gets people ahead in MLM, not skill, business acumen, decency, but lying, manipulating, bullying and having an ability to recruit anyone through deception regardless of the likely cost to that recruit.

Of course FLP is a shadow of its former self and nothing they do brings the so called success it briefly did but it is worth being reminded what was going on with these uplines and how they manipulated people and still do, albeit on a much smaller scale (or completely unsuccessfully in the case of Homeschool).

Happy Christmas to all you anti MLMers and LoA sceptics!!

Hope no one has manifested themselves a nasty cold just in time for Christmas!

Merry Christmas Botwatchers!

Wow I hadn't seen those screenshots before. Uber really is shady as.
I heard all sorts but hadn't seen evidence of this before. It is disgraceful isn't it.

Merry Christmas fabulous folks...this thread has just appeared and this comment made me especially 😳😳😳

Has any one used a divorce coach? is it helpful? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/divorce_separation/5233599-has-any-one-used-a-divorce-coach-is-it-helpful

Mmm…it’s almost as if a divorce coach or a divorce coach’s collaborator has decided to post on MN to try and ignite interest isn’t it @ticktock19 ?!

@YouOKHun It’s the season, right? Everyone knows that January is the busiest time of the year for family lawyers - phones will be ringing off the hook on 2 January!

Freudian Slip Yawn?

I'm glad the criminal was mentioned on that thread, the timing of that thread is way off...

Maybe one of the ‘top tips’ on the coaching course is to start a thread on MN about your ‘niche’ coaching

Yes I think that's almost certain @Spongebobette. I had a look at the training Divorce Bot mentions and is also mentioned on that thread and of course the accreditation is offered by an alleged successful coach pushing the opportunity to be a divorce coach whatever your background or previous coaching experience (no experience necessary of course). No word about there being any barriers to entry or pointers about what might make someone an unsuitable divorce coach