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Emmsys angels xxx support for mummies of lost angels part 3 xxxxx

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christmasBarbielovesSanta · 17/12/2008 11:52

so here we are on part three, let this one be fun of happy news.....

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ScorpiowithabigS · 10/03/2009 18:57

Sorry

I havent been here for a bit now, i lost bean 30 days ago.

I miss it so much

Seems to have got worse this last week, think cos period is due

Im sat here crying

gigglewitch · 10/03/2009 20:09

looks like we're still all having the same sort of bleeding ishoos - oh and trouser issues as well. Gah. Things should be improving by now.
well I'm going to meet with my line manager tomorrow, and do a bit of stuff for work on thurs. No idea what will come of it but I feel like 4 weeks off is like now.

gigglewitch · 10/03/2009 20:09

(((hugs))) scorpio. we're all here with you x

littlebellsmum · 10/03/2009 20:10

Oh, Scorpio - how horrible for you. I think there are a couple of us here with similar mc dates and we are a right old mixed bag of emotions/ hormones

I'm sorry you had to join us but this thread has saved my sanity over the past few weeks and hopefully can help you too

Hope you feel happier soon

littlebellsmum · 10/03/2009 20:12

Gigglewitch, my mc twin, good to see you!
How are you doing today? Do you think work will help or be not?

Good luck with the boss tomorrow

MummyLovesSadie · 10/03/2009 20:13

Awwwww Scorpio I've been thinking about you & keep meaning to write a post to see if you were still around.

It's awful isn't it, just when you think you are over the worst you suddenly feel like crap again & start thinking about all the things you have been trying to block out.

So have you been bd'ing like mad when you said you were ovulating? I thought I was ovulating but my pos opk's were just hormones left over from the baby. So I'm still waiting as I've not even flippin well mc'd properly.

gigglewitch · 10/03/2009 20:28

thanks lbm. dunno how work will go but feel like I've got to try it
How's you?

and MLS, so true ... get yourself up, get knocked down again [repeat ad infinitum]

littlebellsmum · 10/03/2009 20:31

Hi gw - I;m doing pretty good actually. Crappy day at work but still.
But mc wise, not bad - bleeding has stopped , no af and dh and I have decided that we will "see what happens" re ttc no 3. So all in all, I think I'm doing as well as can be expected under circumstances

littlebellsmum · 10/03/2009 20:33

Only bummer is that dd is complaining of an itchy bum and we think it might be our first experience of worms... Really not looking forward to the mad house cleaning this w/e

GracieGirl · 10/03/2009 22:15

Incase anyone is wondering where Kate has disapeared to, she's in hospital, got admitted this morning as her bleeding got quite heavy, I've been sat with her all afternoon. She's actually in exactly the same hospital bed I was in 4 weeks ago today - how weird did that feel! They are keeping her overnight.

MLS my bleeding has stopped too, I have no idea - so did I have an AF or just some extra clots, who knows?! I'm trying not to think about it too much.

*Hello Scorpio, see we're all still here too. I'm 28 days post ERPC and 36 days since my scan. I'm still bouncing from this thread to the "Emmsys onwards and upwards" thread and then back again a few times a day. Big Hug!

ScorpiowithabigS · 10/03/2009 22:30

Thankyou all, i had a nice big little cry earlier, it helps

MummyLovesSadie · 11/03/2009 03:11

OMG GG How did you know it was Kate & how did she know it was you???

That is a coincidence but lucky you found each other.

GracieGirl · 11/03/2009 11:37

Morning all!

MLS I knew Kate already, I'm her interfering manager who she was talking about who covered all her shifts for 3 weeks when she said she'd be back in a few days! We were mates before I got promoted though and still are. Last week when I was having a panic about starting back at work, I was ready 4 hours early for the night shift as I couldn't sleep, well Kate had just been for her bad scan so I went round to hers on the way to work (therapy for both of us). When I left for work I gave her Mumsnet details so you lot could look after her whilst I went to work. You've been doing a good job, she's as hooked on Mumsnet as the rest of us!

Got to go, just heading back to the hospital to see Kate - her DP's work aren't giving him time off to sit with her - boo hiss!!!

Pinkranger · 11/03/2009 13:08

hi, i have never posted on this thread before but have read it plenty of times.
I had a MMC Aug 07 and they Due date would have been today - 2 years old.

Just wanted to write this somewhere as DH has forgot and i need to just remember my Bean for a few moments.

thank you xx

MummyLovesSadie · 11/03/2009 13:39

Oh that makes sense now GG! Well its good that you have each other & good that we all have mn.

How is everybody doing?

I feel like I've been in an abyss for the last couple of days but I'm having a good day today. I'm doing a opk every day as I know you can ov before the first af after mc so I'm just going to try & think positively. God knows when af will come, been 4 weeks since mc & no sign so I feel like by doing opk's I'm doing something constructive, rather than waiting in limbo-land.

I'm off for some retail therapy this afternoon, flying up to Scotland on Friday with my dd on my own (eek!) so I've got lots of last minute things to buy.

pink this is the ideal place to remember your lost angel, most men don't really understand the impact a mc has on us women. I think they would rather forget & block it all out but we are never likely to be able to do that.

xxxx

GracieGirl · 11/03/2009 19:34

Pink - big hug, you will remember your Bean forever.

littlebellsmum · 11/03/2009 19:48

Evening all - hugs to Kate when you see her, GG. Hope she's coming home soon
MLS - when I had my 12 week scan, the scanner said she could see no sign of a pregnancy but signs of ovulation which suggests that you can ov before first af.

Hello Pink - Eat lots of chocolate - it works after mc, think it should work when you need to remember

On another subject - do we need to set another thread as I think this ones nearly full... And I really don't know how to do that if we want to link it - Anyone?

GracieGirl · 11/03/2009 19:49

Me and Kate were comparing notes today on all the stupid but well meaning comments you get from people after you've had a miscarriage. I found this letter on the internet that pretty much covers it.

A letter to coworkers / family / friends
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When women experience the loss of a child, one of the first things they discover they have in common is a list of things they wish no one had ever said to them. The lists tend to be remarkably similar. The comments are rarely malicious, just misguided attempts to soothe. This list was compiled as a way of helping other people understand pregnancy loss. While generated by mothers for mothers, it may also apply similarly to the fathers who have endured this loss.

To help a woman who has lost a baby, the best rule of thumb is a matter of manners. Don't offer your personal opinion of her life, her choices, and her prospects for children. No woman is looking to poll her acquaintances for their opinions on why it happened or how she should cope.

The Don'ts
Don't say "it's God's will." Even if we are members of the same congregation, unless you are a priest and I am seeking your spiritual counselling, please don't presume to tell me what God wants for me. Besides, many terrible things are God's will, that doesn't make them less terrible.

Don't say "it was for the best, there was probably something wrong with your baby." The fact that something was wrong with the baby is what is making me so sad. My poor baby never had a chance. Please don't try to comfort me by pointing that out.

Don't say "you can always have another one." This baby was never disposable. If had been given the choice between loosing this child or stabbing my eye out with a fork, I would have said, "Where's the fork?" I would have died for this baby, just as you would die for your children.

Don't say "be grateful for the children you have." If your mother died in a terrible wreck and you grieved, would that make you less grateful to have your father?

Don't say "thank God you lost the baby before you really loved it." I loved my son or daughter. Whether I lost the baby after two weeks of pregnancy or just after birth, I loved him or her.

Don't say "isn't it time you got over this and moved on?" It's not something I enjoy, being grief-stricken. I wish it had never happened. But it did and it's a part of me forever. The grief will ease on its own timeline, not yours or mine.

Don't say "now you have an angel watching over you." I didn't want her to be my angel. I wanted her to bury me in my old age.

Don't say "I understand how you feel." Unless you've lost a child, you really don't understand how I feel. And even if you have lost a child, everyone experiences grief differently.

Don't tell me horror stories of your neighbour or cousin or mother who had it worse. The last thing I need to hear right now is that it is possible to have this happen six times, or that I could carry until two days before my due date and labour 20 hours for a dead baby. These stories frighten and horrify me and leave me up at night weeping in despair. Even if they have a happy ending, do not share these stories with me.

Don't pretend it didn't happen and don't change the subject when I bring it up. If I say, "before the baby died ?" or "when I was pregnant ?" don't get scared. If I'm talking about it, it means I want to. Let me. Pretending it didn't happen will only make me feel utterly alone.

Don't say "it's not your fault." It may not have been my fault, but it was my responsibility and I failed. The fact that I never stood a chance of succeeding only makes me feel worse. This tiny little being depended upon me to bring him safely into the world and I couldn't do it. I was supposed to care for him for a lifetime, but I couldn't even give him a childhood. I am so angry with my body you just can't imagine.

Don't say "well, you weren't too sure about this baby, anyway." I already feel so guilty about ever having complained about morning sickness, or a child I wasn't prepared for, or another mouth to feed that we couldn't afford. I already fear that this baby died because I didn't take the vitamins, or drank too much coffee, or had alcohol in the first few weeks when I didn't know I was pregnant. I hate myself for any minute that I had reservations about this baby. Being unsure of my pregnancy isn't the same as wanting my child to die, I never would have chosen for this to happen.

The Do's
Do say "I am so sorry." That's enough. You don't need to be eloquent. Say it and mean it and it will matter.

Do say "you're going to be wonderful parents some day," or "you're wonderful parents and that baby was lucky to have you." We both need to hear that.

Do say "I have lighted a candle for your baby," or "I have said a prayer for your baby." Do send flowers or a kind note, every one I receive makes me feel as though my baby was loved. Don't resent it if I don't respond. Don't call more than once and don't be angry if the machine is on and I don't return your call. If we're close friends and I am not responding to your attempts to help me, please don't resent that either. Help me by not needing anything from me for a while.

If you're my boss or my co-worker:
Do recognize that I have suffered a death in my family, not a medical condition.

Do recognise that in addition to the physical after effects I may experience, I'm going to be grieving for quite some time. Please treat me as you would any person who has endured the tragic death of a loved one. I need time and space.

Please don't bring your baby or toddler into the workplace. If your niece is pregnant, or your daughter just had a baby, please don't share that with me right now. It's not that I can't be happy for anyone else, it's that every smiling, cooing baby, every glowing new mother makes me ache so deep in my heart I can barely stand it. I may look okay to you, but there's a good chance that I'm still crying every day. It may be weeks before I can go a whole hour without thinking about it. You'll know when I'm ready. I'll be the one to say, "Did your daughter have her baby?" or, "How is that precious little boy of yours? I haven't seen him around the office in a while."

Above all, please remember that this is the worst thing that ever happened to me. The word "miscarriage" is small and easy. But my baby's death is gigantic and awful. It's going to take me a while to figure out how to live with it. Bear with me.

BionicEar · 11/03/2009 20:26

GG - give my love to Kate - hope they managed to give her the care and support she need, along with the painkillers that she need.

I bumped into 2 of my work collugues earlier whilst taking LO to dentist. They were really lovely and gave me big hug. One of them who I get on with really well, has said she will call round next week, for a proper chat. In a way it was good to see her, as I was worrying a tad how I would feel when I see her as she is pg, and well you know ladies what bumps are like at mo to us lot. But it was ok, and I'm glad I've got over that hurdle.

Have been up and down over last few days. Ended up sitting in a catholic catheral earlier, and went into one of their side rooms, where I found a book of consolence for those who has lost babies and a place to light candles. I did have a peek and it did make me but it was good to have a little weep all by myself.

It's been good to be able to come on here and talk/read posts, as it all helps.

Big hug to you all today.

MummyLovesSadie · 11/03/2009 21:32

Oh God, reading posts & crying again!

littlebells thanks for info re ov before af. Keeping my (now tear splattered) chin up.

GG how clever of you to find that brilliant article on the net (not to mention your cleverness in looking after the sick people of the East Midlands & our lovely Kate too). I'll have to write down some of the come-backs in the article for this weekend when I go to Scotland & am bound to get some upsetting comments said by well meaning family-in-law.

bionic I'm not religious but I just love the idea of a little side room with candles & a book of condolences.

Off to blub into my Magners now.

kate030284 · 12/03/2009 09:18

hi everyone

im back hope had an eventful few days to say the least. .i had to have a ERPC yesterday as bleeding got stupid amounts at home on tues morning. i was nil by mouth for nearly 24 hours . im starving still. im brised and really tired but im so much better as the bleeding was really upsetting me . i just kept thinking i cant even loose my baby properly . im feeling ok today i love my freinds so much for visiting me .

as u have guess im friends with GG she has kept me sane well nearly lol.

as u have noticed we were talking bout what people relatives say to u that really upset u . my best one was my gran on tues before i went to hospital . i was really looking forward to oct (my due date) that was really helpful and least its happen now and not 3 months down the line as it would break our hearts(refering to my family) . like its not broke my heart now !!!!!!!. well it was only little u cant see anything u didnt love it yet was her reply OMG all i needed lol

she doesent think what shes saying i dont think .

another one is that everyone has said to me is its happened for areason whivh really grates on me at the mo

hope everone is ok big hugs xxxxxxxxxx

littlebellsmum · 12/03/2009 19:52

Welcome Back Kate!

I have found a great benefit of not telling anyone in RL about mc - no hurtful comments to deal with.

However, down side is that lots of comments hurt because the other person didn't know and I've had to spend an inordinate amount of time with new born babies recently. Strangely, that really didn;t bother me - even when presented with new born niece who had been given the name we were thinking of for our lo!

The comment I use for myself when thinking about the lo, is the it just wasn't meant to be. Quite fatalistic I know but it works for me - however if anyone said it to me, I might have to punch them!!

GracieGirl · 13/03/2009 10:49

LittleBellsMum - see you can't win whatever you do. Most people at work knew why I was off but there's still a few people who haven't heard. One of those greated me at work a few days ago in front of about 10 horrified onlookers and said "You been married for 5 months now, isn't it about time you got yourself pregnant". I politely gave her the brush off, then she said, "actually you're looking a bit pale, its not morning sickness is it?". People really don't give up the nagging do they! Also this girl is an Obs and Gynae doctor, you'd think she'd know better.
Nevermind at least it shows I must be a bit better in control of my emotions now, as I didn't burst into tears or throw anything at her!

kate030284 · 13/03/2009 18:27

hi ya hope all well 2day
ive had a ok day im just sick of people that just beacause i had a miscarriage at 8 weeks that they think i didnt love my baby any less than if it was born its really upsetting me that people keep telling me that it wasnt ment to be aaarrrghh that really helps me !!!

sorry girls for my little strop feel better now tho xxxx

littlebellsmum · 13/03/2009 19:56

Get it out Kate, that what this thread is here for!
GracieGirl - fantastic control. See , you have come a long way in the last two weeks

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