Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp - the end of part one

[BIWI]

Morning all

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No point me weighing in today as the weekend has been lovely shocking. My official weighing-in day is Friday, so hopefully all will be back to normal by then!

Those of you for whom the scales have slowed/stopped, in weeks 3 and 4, hopefully things will get moving again now.

I'm off to Leeds with work for a couple of days, so who knows what I'll be eating? I have, though, packed some boiled eggs, a pot of Total yoghurt and a couple of sachets of tuna in my little cool box, so I know that I have something to eat if the choices available to me aren't low carb.

Good luck all, and hope this is a good week for all of us

Oh, and are you taking any medication?

Hi BIWI
Thurs
B coffee with double cream
L left over veg with cream sauce ( from recipes), 2 egg omlette with avocado, cheese & sour cream
D pizza on a quiche base( from recipes, green pepper, mushroom & salami on top)salad & dressing
Fri
B coffee with double cream
L leftover pizza on a quiche base, salad & dressing
D (9 hrs later & after a huge brouhaha replacing mobile phone) salami, cheese, full fat coleslaw, 4 Parmesan shortbreads, 1 glass of white wine.
Sat
B Coffee with almond milk
L Leftover pizza as above (so 1 recipe gave me three meals) 1/2 avocado
Before dinner 1 glass of white wine
D chicken cacciatore - 2 thighs, coconut oil, capers, tinned tomatoes, sautéed spinach, Greek yoghurt, 1T of blueberries.
Looking at this, the wine is an obvious no-no, but I am somewhat de-motivated. I did a dry Jan & intending to continue it, but starting to slip. Also, must cut out ANY fruit, even a few miserable blueberries.
What is slightly tricky about the BC thread is that most posters appear to be doing BC lite, hence are having dark chocolate & some other stuff. Also it appears to me that much/most of recipes on recipe thread are probably BC lite. For example, the shortbread uses almond flour, a no-no on BC, I would think.
What pizza recipe would be compatible with BC? As I said earlier, I have not been successful in making the "bread" from cauliflower ( the one that uses egg & cottage cheese)Just trying to make this interesting/palatable & to also avoid LC flu.
Today
B coffee almond milk, left over chicken cacciatore
L (will be) tuna mayo on salad, celery
D ( will be) steak, salad, avocado & broccoli, probably lots of butter. I'd like to include Boursin, but should I cut that out?
Thanks for reading this!

Huh. I'm not going to dispute any of that quote from Mark's Daily Apple, but I would have put it down to the insulin-like growth factor that is present in milk in varying quantities, but in higher quantities now than it used to be, because the majority of the UK milk cows are now Holsteins, which have far higher milk output than the traditional UK breeds (about 5x as much). IGF can influence insulin metabolism in the body.

Anyway.

I could also say that it might depend on your blood type but that would only be appropriate if anyone else followed the Blood Group diet and found it worked for them - I do, I'm group B, I'm "allowed" dairy, as are group ABs, but Os and As should limit it. So there you go. Obviously Bs and ABs are in a huge minority in the UK - 11% of the population altogether - so that could be another "reason" why dairy stalls so many of you. I do know that the science behind the Blood Group Diet is iffy, to say the least - I read the book in a spirit of pure cynicism, being a blood scientist! - but it does work for me. Got rid of my IBS, much of my brain fog, the nausea I experienced after 2/3 of my meals - it was FAB! Moving on...

Today I have been good.
I have had:
B - ok, that bit wasn't good
L - 2 HB eggs mashed with mayo, with shredded lettuce, cucumber and grated cheese.
D - lamb mince thing with courgetti.

About 2L of water let's not talk about the splash of Pimms in some of it though

But no bad things. Yay!

BIWI Just read your summary from Marks Daily Apple. That may be it. I haven't tried my keto sticks in awhile, but I bet they would not show any ketosis. Interesting the insulin response to milk products in spite of their composition.
I will move to a milk free regime - I was defo enjoying the cream in coffee! But I can get used to black. More fish in stir fries, courgetti etc & see how it goes.
Will have to deal with LC flu, a bit of a whoosh would help enormously with motivation. Also some other life hassles ( evil XH, & money worries) don't help!
And don't get me started on the nightmare that is Apple. Changing phones to non -Apple & cannot access my data - software glitch of some sort - on phone to a so-called genius for 2 1/2 hrs Fri on way home from work, trying & failing to sort it out. As a result, lost my birthday dinner reservation. The genius is supposed to be phoning me today to continue the effort; I am not hopeful - spent yesterday emailing my photos to my laptop & hand transcribing all my tel numbers. At least I will soon be freed from the clutches of Apple Corp.
Sorry for venting - had to get it off my chest.

Moan

Thurs
B coffee with double cream
L left over veg with cream sauce ( from recipes), 2 egg omlette with avocado, cheese & sour cream
D pizza on a quiche base( from recipes, green pepper, mushroom & salami on top)salad & dressing
Fri
B coffee with double cream
L leftover pizza on a quiche base, salad & dressing
D (9 hrs later & after a huge brouhaha replacing mobile phone) salami, cheese, full fat coleslaw, 4 Parmesan shortbreads, 1 glass of white wine.
Sat
B Coffee with almond milk
L Leftover pizza as above (so 1 recipe gave me three meals) 1/2 avocado
Before dinner 1 glass of white wine
D chicken cacciatore - 2 thighs, coconut oil, capers, tinned tomatoes, sautéed spinach, Greek yoghurt, 1T of blueberries.
Today
B coffee almond milk, left over chicken cacciatore
L (will be) tuna mayo on salad, celery
D ( will be) steak, salad, avocado & broccoli, probably lots of butter. I'd like to include Boursin, but should I cut that out?

Lots of dairy going on here, so this would be the first thing that I'd try and cut out.

Looking at this, the wine is an obvious no-no, but I am somewhat de-motivated. I did a dry Jan & intending to continue it, but starting to slip. Also, must cut out ANY fruit, even a few miserable blueberries.

Can you try substituting wine for something like a vodka and soda? The thing is, alcohol is an easy source of fuel for your body and it will burn this first before anything else - but wine also has carbs in it! A gin and slimline, if you prefer - but just beware that this obviously has artificial sweeteners

What is slightly tricky about the BC thread is that most posters appear to be doing BC lite, hence are having dark chocolate & some other stuff.

I know. It's just not fair, is it? But it's not a competition - the thing about low carbing is that we're all different, and can tolerate different levels of carbs.

Also it appears to me that much/most of recipes on recipe thread are probably BC lite. For example, the shortbread uses almond flour, a no-no on BC, I would think.

I think that's probably true - although they're not all for BC! You just have to be careful what you choose

What pizza recipe would be compatible with BC? As I said earlier, I have not been successful in making the "bread" from cauliflower ( the one that uses egg & cottage cheese)Just trying to make this interesting/palatable & to also avoid LC flu.

Why are you worrying about LC flu now? You should be well past that!

If the cauliflower pizza hasn't worked for you, why not try the fathead pizza? Or, I've made one before now, by using a chicken breast - flattening it out with a rolling pin, flash frying on both sides, then topping with whatever pizza stuff you like and baking in the oven.

Oh - and if you'e under such a lot of stress, then be kind to yourself. The stress hormone cortisol can also impede weight loss.

I'd try just taking a big step back for the moment. Don't put yourself under such pressure to lose - just ask yourself: are you enjoying the food? Do you feel deprived? Do you feel like you're on a diet? Do you think you can carry on like this?

If there are any other long-term Bootcampers around you may be keen to find out that Lidl have started selling their orgasmic duck again (and no that's not a typo!). It was £6 for two big duck breasts marinated in garlic and pepper. Most nom! I'm going to go back in a couple of days and buy all the remaining stock get some more. They also had frozen goose for £12. I also love their pork belly slices. Just like chunky bacon but not processed.

I love almond milk too, especially with the Twinings Spicy Chai tea bags. Just make sure to get unsweetened. The regular version isn't too carby (3g per 100ml) but it tastes very sweet.

AuntieMaggie I take a bag of pork crackling into the cinema.

MoanRanger it's worth cutting dairy out for a week to see whether it's an issue for you. Otherwise you could try cutting down to one portion of dairy a day if you don't want to cut dairy out entirely. It's quite common for people to end up eating dairy all day long when they go low carb which can be too much. It isn't hormones Gcalgse, it's something to do with the amino acid composition of cow's milk protein that makes it hyperinsulinogenic. I've been dairy-free for nearly a year now and I don't think it's made any difference to my weight. However my perennial rhinitis has all but disappeared so I won't be going back to drinking milk.

Meatza is a dairy-free pizza base. It's basically a giant burger base.

Chai tea (i use the asda tea bags) with unsweetened almond milk is one of my favourite drinks atm! :)

Re milk/cheese would goats milk be any different?

BIWI I get carb flu when I go really strictly protein & veg, hence why I add in blueberries & yoghurt. It's not as bad as the first two days, but I can sometimes get an awful draggy feeling.

I've had a look at the dairy-insulinogenic thing. According to this article it's primarily the whey fraction of the milk that causes the steep rise in insulin; which would suggest then that dairy products that have no whey in them wouldn't have the same effect (or at least not to the same extent). So - that would allow butter and hard cheeses to remain in the diet, but not milk or yoghurt or anything where the milk hasn't been separated out. Double cream has mostly been skimmed off the top of the whey as well, so again, might be ok.

However, it might be easier to just dump the dairy entirely rather than worry about which items contain whey and which don't.

Moanranger then that would suggest that your electrolytes are up the swanny! You need to make sure you're eating plenty of salt, for the sodium, but also magnesium and potassium. Salmon, avocado, spinach and natural yoghurt all good for that.

You didn't say if you were on any medication ...

Thumb the big cry followed by silence and no breathing is classic - we found we could make the episodes near misses by blowing on her face which stimulates a breath. It doesn't sound like breath holding. They mostly grow out of it. If you are anywhere near Nottingham Dr Whitehead at QMC is your man.

quick question - what does BC stand for?

I definitely eat too much dairy so I'm going to try to reduce it. I'm still a bit lacto intolerant (was totally intolerant after coeliac diagnosis) but now ok with cream, cheese and sometimes have yoghurt but still can't manage normal milk.

Bootcamp?!

Smiley BC = BootCamp

Stunt perfect timing, I am going to try Lidl for the first time tomorrow so have been scouring MN threads for what to buy, will look out for the duck and pork belly ta!

B - bacon, eggs, avocado
L - hm veg soup with hm ham stock - hands down best soup I have ever had, better than hm chicken stock. LC bun drenched in butter
D - hmm not sure, prob lc crackers cheese, celery and butter as fridge pretty empty. Just had a coconut fat bomb, yum, but could see me having too many so need to hide them at the back of the fridge.

Thumb that's really interesting because anecdata would suggest that butter and hard cheeses are less of a problem than milk and yoghurt. Greek yoghurt has been strained which removes a lot of the whey so that would be the best option if you suspect dairy is an issue but don't want to cut it out entirely.

Awesome lunch, got some very thinly sliced chicken from tesco going cheap, I don't normally buy wafer thin because of added nonsense but this stuff was 98% chicken and 25p

I used it to make spinach and cream cheese cannelloni for lunch.

I used canned spinach and squeezed the moisture out - about half a can. Mixed in about a 1/4 tub cream cheese and seasoned well.

Rolled the mix up inside 4 slices of the chicken. Laid in the bottom of a small Pyrex. Topped with Passata (with a wee but oregano and garlic stirred in). Didn't use much - about 1/4 cup. Then topped with cheese and baked. Was awesome. I normally do this with cream cheese pancakes but this was simpler and lower carb. Not for everyday (processed meat) but so good if you miss this dish.

BIWI No medication. I have not taken antibiotics for at least 10 years. As a result I have an awesome immune system.
I highly recommend this. You have to suffer through the first few infection ( sinus, chest, bronchitis, whatever) but after that, your immune system, gut flora, etc become much more effective. (Sorry to preach - one of my hobby horses is overuse of antibiotics)

I attribute my IBS and candida overgrowth to months' worth of antibiotics during my late teen years.

I avoid them as much as I possibly can now.

Help! I am suffering with very painful constipation/chills/aches/nausea today. I think it's because I ate sushi yesterday (I know, I know - was travelling and had kind of given up this week). Does this mean I can never eating carbs again for the rest of my life? I'm clearly very carb sensitive (I always figured that anyway) but this is an awful, awful reaction. I wouldn't have been able to make it to work today, it was that painful even to walk around the flat. It's getting a bit better now but I still feel foul.

Maybe it was a bit of yacky bad sushi should?!

I'm wondering about that. Alternatively, I'm developing a funny throat and have a bit of a runny nose, and the skin on my back is hurting and my shoulders, groin and legs are aching.

This has to be a cold or flu not carbs - right?? Had the heating on all day AND under the duvet.

I had sepsis 3 years ago and it took 11 iv antibiotics before they got it under control. It was the 'last chance' anti biotic before they started chopping bits off me to try and stop the infection. I'm so so scared of anti biotics now. I'm incredibly frightened of the way folk take them so casually and for everything and that if I need them again they won't work.

My DD was also put on them at birth and I now worry that's what gave her her allergies and reflux.