Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp - almost half way through!

[BIWI]

Morning all - lovely sunny day here!

Here's the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness for your confessions

It sounds like some of us have been struggling recently, so I hope that the scales have been kind to you this morning.

If the scales aren't your friend, then don't forget to take your measurements, or to try on that dress/those jeans that were too tight 5 weeks ago - the results here are more meaningful than the scales anyway.

I put some new trousers on yesterday that I bought a couple of weeks ago, and find that they are now too big. Which is both pleasing and annoying at the same time

[ditavonteesed]

Sass and sorelips, surely there is no need for anyone to bow out, there must be a compromise. I am sorry if I posted something negative yesterday, I am trying to find and solve all my issues with food and it is turning out to be a complex jigsaw,
Everybody needs the support of this, if we didn't we wouldn't be here in the first place. Those whpo are doing well, which was me until yesterday should be able to help those who aren't, those who arent should still be committed if they are asking for help. does that make sense. probably not.
Personally this woe has made such a difference to my life and even then I have weak moments which I need help to fight becasue friends and family generally do not understand this woe and so a consatnt explaination/ battle is going on in my life. And as ever I feel people are just waiting for me to slip up so they can say I told you so.
Add into that all the rl issues everyone has going on then it means we need to support each other.

[Sorelip]

Actually a confessional thread would be a good idea. Those of us that slip up have somewhere to talk, and those that don't want to hear about it just don't read the thread.

Anyone else think that's a good idea?

[Sorelip]

And sass don't go. Although I don't contribute much (I worry about being boring) I enjoy reading your posts. I promise not to cock up anymore (now I've said it I must stick to it).

I signed up for the Cancer Research Lea Valley marathon last night. I must be certifiable.

[HemanOrSheRa]

I'm fucked right off with all of this. I listed a couple of things that I ate and drank at the weekend. I also stated that I was pleased that I remained in control. I had (probably still do) a problem with alcohol. So to be able to have a couple of AF beers in the sun with some bbq food is a massive thing for me. Last year it would have ended very differently. I really do not want to have to describe the situation I could have ended up in. So I am bloody proud of myself.

So sorry you are struggling sorelip .

[SayraT]

Monkey

Give your heads a wobble. You're either doing bootcamp or you're not.

Maybe you should take your own advice, you've already told BIWI on another thread (and mentioned it on this one) that you won't be giving up diet drinks or squash. Those are not allowed on the BC rules. On the other hand people are allowed to have a blip and get back on the wagon tomorrow.

Yes, you cannot do it every day but people come here for support and that is what they should get. Now I know that you were on previous BCs and did very well but others don't know that and it might seem to them that you are some newbie who has just stormed in here and told them that they need to suck it up and do BC properly or not do it at all...while not actually following BC rules yourself!

sorelip I hope you are feeling better now

Allisgood just jump right in, the BC rules are on one of the tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet which is linked in the OP.

ROmey, it is not really normal for so many people to be starting again on a new week but shit happens and actually those of us (and I include myself in that) who regularly fall off the wagon are only causing problems for ourselves. If we can't come back onto this thread and say, yes I made a fuck up I'm back on it then where can we go. It only becomes a real issue if the same person falls of again and again AND complains that they haven't lost weight.

thecow a separate thread does not work, that was tried on a previous BC and it did not work at all.

It is very hard to know how to work BC sometimes, some people are exceptionally good at sticking with BC even in the most trying circumstances whereas others fall off at the drop of a hat. Sass I'm sorry you feel that way but ultimately how others do on BC (or not) does not affect your loss or anything. We should all be doing this for ourselves. Please don't go, we need some people like you to stick around.

[monkeyfacegrace]

sass and her analogy is exactly my point. We are meant to be a team, a group of people sticking together and ploughing through the hard times, together. Why not come on here and moan and let off steam BEFORE you eat? Then we can talk you down? The pack mentality of 'well she did it so I will' is rife.

It's hardly motivating to come on and read gain, gain, gain, loss, gain gain......

And I DO understand shit times. FWIW my excess weight comes from a husband with cancer, a MMC, two dead dogs, alcoholism and giving up a 40 a day fag habit.

[monkeyfacegrace]

I have a tiny bit of NAS squash and some pepsi max. It could affect my body being in ketosis, but it's not proven. I'm not having sugar/carbs, and I don't drink tea or coffee for caffeine. My weight loss stall is probably down to cortisol from lack of sleep.

So actually, I'm KOKO very well.

[plumstone]

Wow - Just read all those posts and for what its worth, I love this WOE, logging and support! Reasons:

a) its free - I hate to part with cash and then not loose weight - WW I am looking at you!!
b) Its tasty food
c) I can log in and get support 24 hours a day
d) or not
e) There are newbies, experienced wight loss gurus on here all of whom have a valuable point of view and can have different opinions - there is usually someone around to help the different issues and experiences
f) its something that can be sustained, as a nutritionist told me a diet is not a bus that you get on and off, its a long term way of eating for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE
g) As a totally awesome slightly curvy 21st century independent chick! also in possession of a huge ego, which we will gloss over I can make a decision to indulge in carby twatery, and live with it, like my water intake OCD spreadsheet, I have a life and sometimes that means eating stuff that is not necessarily on plan, but you know what, its MY CHOICE and I live with it and if its not my choice and I have a shit day at work and need to consume crap, then thats fine, there a fabulous people here who get it and can support the reasons why and not justify it, but understand, which is crucial.

Anywho, today's food:

B - fried in butter mushrooms, and streaky bacon
L - home made guacamole, and salmon
D - creamy courgettes in an omlette
W - 3 ltrs
Drugs - as many cold and flu capsules as I can consume in 24 hours

Happy Tuesday!! xoxo

[blessedenough]

Help Low carbers I need you .... spent all yesterday with flu like symptoms proper flu not carb flu. Then I spent all last night sat on the loo (sorry tmi),my tummy is growling and I am starting to get hungry, what can I eat? All I want to eat is toast but I know that will make me feel worse as I will get bad ibs symptoms. I cant even keep water in at the mo, does anyone have any great ideas.

Unfortunately 4 of us were struck down with this so I need to get off my bum find some energy and clean up sicky bedding and get vomit smells out of carpets - tips appreciated!

[diggerdigsdogs]

Super bloody proud of myself!

Ended up taking tiny Dd to the Dr and we were sent on to a&e. Of course I hadn't thought to bring lunch so had to buy some. I bought cheese and crackers and gave the crackers to DS. When we were discharged I ignored all the carby twattery and found an amazing brocolli and bacon salad with a buttermilk dressing to snack on to prevent myself from falling face first into the bakery. Which is exactly what usually happens when I go there.

I can do this.

[Ellesbelles04]

Hey all,

I am 1.5lb off this week, but again this could be a fluctuation as I was stuck at 13.3lb over this last week.

Had my favourite breakfast today, wilted spinach, scrambled eggs and butter and smoked salmon. :)

Ready for the week ahead!

[sassandfaff]

I wasn't going to post again, but feel i am being misrepresented somewhat!

I hope that I have been supportive in the past, and i would be extremely mortified if i hadnt been.

I do not think that people shouldn't be allowed to confess, or fall of the wagon, or look on here for support. Far from it. It should be supportive, a place to share etc.

However, that works all ways. I couldn't care less if people list a whole host of junk food that they have eaten that day. It doesn't bother me or tempt me, but I understand that it might do for some others. And I understood the reason why people aired their grievances about it.

For me personally, waking up in the morning and catching up on the thread, to read a whole list of negativity affects me. That's not to say it is the collective threads problem, it's my problem and is the reason why for days, i have not rtft.

I'm quite 'pissed off' and 'fucked off', that i'm not allowed to say it though.

[sassandfaff]

Blessed

It's hard isn't it? because the first thing you turn to when you're being sick et al is stodge......

Would you be able to keep sausages down? soup? of maybe some of those cheese scones from the recipe thread?

[Gcalgske]

Sass I'd miss your chat but I don't really know what the thread is for if we can't fess up here. Maybe the idea of a confessional is a good one but I think we run the risk of losing the nice group feel and ending up with a fragmented monolith which is very hard for BIWI to administrate?
Monkey personally I find it hard to take a lecture from someone who quite openly refuses to follow BC rules. Rationalise it all you want but you break the rules and I find it hard to hear that you are drinking squash and Pepsi max (I've a problem with coke zero myself) and then moan about not losing just as you are finding it hard to hear about others slip ups. Maybe we just all need to be a bit more understanding of each other's triggers and weaknesses and get on with supporting each other as best we can?

[sassandfaff]

sorelip I wake up, do school runs, housework, school runs. Throw in a boxset as my highlight and then bed.

I'm hardly Mrs interesting.

[sassandfaff]

You can fess gcal that is not what i am saying/ have said.

But can i not fess that it's hard for me to read it?

Apparently not......

[sassandfaff]

It does appear that i am flouncing , but honestly i am not.

I think i am bi polar sometimes with my highs and lows. The thread is not helping me at the moment. That is all. It's no ones fault. It's just not right for me now.

I wish everyone the best of luck.

And if i manage the 11 stone club by dec, I may be back to preen share.

[cathyandclaire]

Welcome Allisgood the more the merrier and there's 5 more weeks, so loads of Bootcamp left.
It's not usually a bun-fight like this

For those who have erred, drink lots of water, I stick to Bootcamp Light at weekends and definitely found that it really helps woosh any re-gain off in a day. Better not to err of course but we're all human.

Having said that, I have 4 pounds to go to my target and am NEVER going to get there if I keep BCLing at weekends, I'm still STS and one month to holidays.

If there's a sinners thread, it could be useful to post LC-ish emergency treats/foods that perhaps aren't strictly bootcamp but are fabulous if you feel a carby-twatty-attack coming on....I won't post here though because I don't want to encourage bad habits

I had a DEEElicious supper last night ( nuts so BCL but a limited number, so not as addictive as nutty snacking)
Sea Bass roasted with a flaked almond crust and garlic butter on a bed of courgetti, tossed in garlic butter. Even the dds loved it.

[monkeyfacegrace]

Ouch, you didn't just make light of bipolar did you....that's something that I am clinically diagnosed with

[cathyandclaire]

On the positive note, my skin and particularly my puffy baggy eyes are so, so, so much better on stricter HFLC and my energy is better too.

I really cannot see me going back to carbs.

[minibmw2010]

cathyandclaire, that sounds like a delicious dinner! I'm going to steal that idea if I may. Can someone tell me what they use to make courgetti? I know there are a couple of potential pieces of equipment out there, but what do people consider the best?

[Tetley650]

Monkey - I am a newbie and have had the usual issues with food. I put on weight for the first 2 weeks but stuck to BC. I then see a lecture about sticking to the plan by someone who obviously isn't - Pepsi Max etc and find it all quite demoralising. Funny none of the admissions made by others gave me 'permission' to give in -in fact each time I read one I think how easily it could have been me and makes me more resolved to koko. I have a long way to go - hey I might even be back where I started at the but I have not craved any forbidden carbs and actually would be quite concerned how I would fair.
Surely part of this is to examine your relationship with food and make adjustments accordingly. A slip is a slip not a continued habit and recognising that is a huge step in the right direction for all of us!

[cathyandclaire]

I hope you enjoy it mini :)
I use this spiralizer which is perfectly fine, does the job and doesn't take up much space, I'm sure there are posher and better ones though!

[plumstone]

Hi mini - I bought this one and used it twice
www.amazon.co.uk/Lurch-Spirali-10203-Vegetable-Spiralizer/dp/B002E19IB0/ref=lp_3147491_1_5?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1433841936&sr=1-5&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

Its fine - I just don't like courgette - bit wet, and not really enjoyable - but I put it down to operator error and not the food, as I love courgette chips/batons fried in butter and dipped in aioli

sass - I will miss your chat however totally different tact what box sets are you watching, I have a void in my life the requires a good one - loved House of Cards, but couldn't get to grips with series three and stopped watching after episode 2!

[Gcalgske]

Sass it was not aimed at you - sorry. I genuinely meant I would miss your chat if you felt you had to leave and yeah you can say you're pissed off with hearing about others slip ups and lots of negativity - in fact I think it's healthy to debate these things it might give someone the kick they need but I just can't get on with being lectured about what I can and can't say (not by you).