Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp - almost half way through!

[BIWI]

Morning all - lovely sunny day here!

Here's the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness for your confessions

It sounds like some of us have been struggling recently, so I hope that the scales have been kind to you this morning.

If the scales aren't your friend, then don't forget to take your measurements, or to try on that dress/those jeans that were too tight 5 weeks ago - the results here are more meaningful than the scales anyway.

I put some new trousers on yesterday that I bought a couple of weeks ago, and find that they are now too big. Which is both pleasing and annoying at the same time

[BIWI]

monkey that all sounds lovely! Lots of fat. Keep an eye on the dairy though - could be something to cut back on if the scales still don't budge for you.

What about drinks today? How much water? And ...

[WineCheeseSleep]

Thanks BIWI, appreciate your help. It was things like having a small chicken ceasar salad for lunch one day, picking out the croutons but not having anything else to add to it to up the fat. Half the dressing was stuck to the bloody croutons! We were at a cafe and it was the only remotely appropriate thing I could have.

Anyway, this week should be much more straight forward so fingers crossed I start going in the right direction again.

[monkeyfacegrace]

Lots and lots of water. At least 2l of sparkling and 1l still (only had the S word with the sparkling), and 2 cans. I'm really trying to quit the cans but as I don't drink tea/coffee I get headaches without a caffeine hit in the morning and one while cooking kids tea

And, this is going to make me really unpopular, but I'm fed up of reading "oh I fell off the wagon" time and time again on here. It's fucking bootcamp not a jolly in the park. Either do it or don't do it. There must be more people on here saying they are starting again tomorrow than I've ever seen.

Give your heads a wobble. You're either doing bootcamp or you're not.

[Gcalgske]

Wine if I'm not eating enough (of anything) I don't lose a lot of weight
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It's like the body goes into starvation mode and tries to hold on to everything and whilst not hungry (as in ketosis) I feel pretty shocking. I found these tiny little screw top jars in Lakeland and stated carrying coconut oil with me to add to coffee/ tea for those days where I just can't get something decent.

[lisbapalea]

Meals today have all been good I think - think I was spurred on by my positive weigh in!

B - coyo and ff Greek, a few berries, flakes of coconut and tiny amount of cocoa nibs (bought them a while ago and didn't know what to do with them - they're v strong tasting so I have about half a teaspoon on yogurt sometimes - it gives a certain taste that makes me feel quite satisfied. Can't remember the carbs/100g but as I have such a tiny amount I see it as a seasoning really)
L - Greek salad with minimal tomato, lots of oil and a boiled egg
S - some pork scratchings
D - chicken thigh (skin on), chorizo, green pepper and shallot traybake. It included new potatoes for dh but I didn't have any. Had with spinach, avocado and cucumber salad.

I had dinner about 3hrs ago and still feel full! Think I maybe overdid it on the pork scratchings....

[Sorelip]

monkey I will be on tomorrow. I've been diligently sticking to plan since 2nd May and I fucked up. I'm sorry that pisses you off. But if we can't talk about it on this thread (without detailing the food of course) then what is the point of a chat thread? Sometimes people need to support and to be accountable. As it happens I fell off the AF wagon last night as well and I'm in a really shit place, and your post has really upset me. So, thanks for that.

[Gcalgske]

Hugs sore hope you feel better tomorrow. Personally I think it's good to be able to have a place to talk about slip ups.

[mummyto3under4]

Monkey as much as I understand your frustration! But I was under the impression that this is what this thread is for! To support people like myself. I stuck with this for 4 weeks straight and fell off the wagon a bit. But reading everyone's posts and receiving support on here is what keeps me going. The reason most of us are on here is because we have a problem with our weight and an unhealthy relationship with food. If we were all so perfect and able to just stick to a diet and be so thin we don't need one then why the fuck are we on here, supporting each other?!
Some of us have big problems in our personal life that affects how we are feeling and what comforts us when feeling low.

Please do not make people feel uncomfortable, because they will start being scared of being honest about their failures, and that will lead us no where. At least people do not list the details of what they had but seek some support, motivation and a bit of a telling off.

[WineCheeseSleep]

Ooh thanks for the tip Gcalgske, will start doing that!

[trashcanjunkie]

Honestly I do not have a problem with people talking about slip ups or falling off the wagon. I think it's vital we address the triggers and excuses in order to be able to really change what we do. I do get a bit narked if people list out their actual cheats. Just mainly cos I imagine eating or drinking them. And I can't, which is a fucker.

Had good food and water today. Breakfast was two duck eggs fried in butter and two slices of bacon, lunch was rollmops and and some bits and bobs, dinner was homemade fajitas bu without the cheese, sour cream or wraps, but with salad, roast veg and avocado.

Had a disaster with a bullet proof bovril attempt today. I was nearly sick when I tasted it. Bleaurgh. Cannot recommend. Proper mucky it's was.

[PeppermintFrog]

trash I nearly vommed when I tried a BPC, just the thought makes me shudder now. I think Bullet Proof Bovril would make a better racehorse name than a drink.

I can understand a bit of frustration but I personally don't mind reading slip-up posts, as long as there are no food details and suitable remorse is expressed . Changing the habit of a lifetime in the face of overwhelming availability of shitty food and a common attitude of "fat is bad" amongst health professionals and media, often while struggling with outside forces and still cooking carby nonsense for others is hard as fuck!

Maybe we need to start a motivational thread with ideas to help KOKO when shit is about to happen?

[Allisgood1]

Please can I join? Or do I need to wait for a new thread?

[diggerdigsdogs]

Aghhh Im such a massive, massive twat.

No wonder I'm sodding bigger.

I misread didn't read a label on something I've been having for weeks every day. It's on the allowed list but not for how much I've been having. 16g of carbs. Ffs.

[Romeyroo]

sorelip, I don't think monkeys post was aimed at you. There was just a succession of posts at the start of this new thread saying they had not been sticking to plan/been carby twats/slipped up etc, which may just be normal for a new week, but it certainly stuck out at me. I think it is perfectly natural that, within that, people have very real issues, but monkey is probably highlighting the cumulative effect yesterday. Which may or may not have included you, I can't find your previous post.

[ApplySomePressure]

Thanks for that Monkey.

Just what I needed to hear. I wasn't on a jolly FWI.

[Romeyroo]

Sorry, DS purloined my laptop. I had three m/c before having DS, so I do understand the feeling of not being in a good place, sorelip.

Generally speaking, Maybe one way to look at issues with food is to try to pinpoint the issue (so for example, eating as a response to stress; not having LC food at a catered lunch; whatever), rather than the result (not sticking to plan). That way, people can help with suggestions and advice.

Anyway, I also wanted to say to hangon, that I agreed with Biwi about your DH. What you want mainly is him to respect your food choices, but you cannot make him adopt them. You can buy healthier alternatives, if you are doing the household shopping. It took me three months to get XH to understand that when I said no sugar for DS, this did not just mean no sweets or actual sugar, but checking EVERYTHING. He sees the improvement in DS behaviour and sleeping but still is surprised at how much sugar is in things you don't expect.

With DD, who is older, I have just been going things like buying oatcakes instead of biscuits, offering fruit instead of desserts with sugar, buying the low sugar Cheerios etc, whilst saying less sugar is better. She gets the argument that if she eats chocolate, she expects sugar; if she eats cereal marketed as healthy, she shouldn't. Also, no white baked goods, pasta or rice- then you are also cutting down insulin spikes. These kind of changes should be manageable in your household shop and will make a difference to sugar intake.

[sassandfaff]

I'm going to post this generally, with no one in mind, but I agree with monkey.

It is very disheartening and I feel not very supportive to the rest of us to read posts and posts of, I fell off the wagon, back on it tomorrow.

It's a bit like being part if a team at work and having 3/4's of the women tell you, they haven't done their work for the project. Iyswim.

I get that people have issues with food, but to be honest not many are actually asking/ talking about it for support. It just feels like a quick confession to absolve you if guilt. Fair enough. But in the interest if fairness, I don't think it's very supportive to attack someone you isn't finding other people's posts supportive.

Ive been put off thus BC because of it. Hence my lack of posting. It is not the falling off the wagon per set. It is the sheer number I think.

[sassandfaff]

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[sassandfaff]

sorelip

[TheCowThatLaughs]

Do we need a separate thread for those of us who have fallen off the wagon to support each other then? I would definitely like some support, please

[Sorelip]

sass not speaking for anyone else here, but I just wanted to tell the truth. It is a confession, and a vow to do better. Saying it, even online, is like purging the guilt and shame. It's important to get rid of the negative feelings so that I'm not caught in a downward spiral.

And there were no attacks coming from here. I just don't appreciate being told to give my head a wobble or that I'm on Bootcamp or not; I fucked up so should just give up? Bollocks to that.

[sassandfaff]

I get that sorelip I do.

But reading all the negatives can cause a downward spiral for others. It is a depressing read for myself tbh and I don't find it helps me at all.

I don't profess to know the solution. I just personally need something more positive, so I'm going to bow out. Good luck to everyone. Koko.

[ijustwanttobeme]

This has pissed me off actually.

Fact it, some days are better than others and when it's like that, isn't it better to post and get support and encouragement from others?

I lost just over a stone in the January LCBC.

Yes I had some bad days, which I posted about, but BIWI and others got me through those days and encouraged me to carry on. Because that is what a support thread is all about.

This time round, has been a slow start for me. It would now appear that I should not have posted about how I'm back on track blah blah blah.

Now what do I do? Only report good days? Sneak off to another thread on the bad?

[ijustwanttobeme]

some days are worse than others!!

[sassandfaff]

biwi you are a star. X