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Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp - The cheating stops here

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StuntNun · 02/06/2014 06:33

Hello again and it's time for weigh in. The cheating seems to have edged up a bit in the last week so I want to remind everyone that cheating is a really bad idea and will hinder your weight loss. It's called Bootcamp for a reason. We only want ten weeks from you and the cheat foods will still be there at the end of Bootcamp. But for now no cheats please. Next time you're tempted remember it isn't the last scone/cake/wine in the world.

If you need a reminder or you're joining Bootcamp partway through, the rules are on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness and you can also track your weight on the Weight Tracker.

As promised last week I've written some info on the science behind diets...

How do we lose weight?

First, why don't low fat restricted calorie diets work? It comes down to homeostasis: our bodies actively resist change. For some reason in humans our resistance to weight change appears to be asymmetric, that is we resist losing weight much more effectively than we resist gaining weight. Most of us have experienced first hand the gradual increase in weight over time, or the more abrupt but still unshiftable weight gain that happens with pregnancy. Basically it's easy to gain weight but difficult to lose weight. So we go on a reduced calorie diet, eating 1800 calories while our bodies are expending 2000 calories. We may lose some weight at first but eventually eating 1800 calories becomes the norm and our bodies resist the change by dropping the metabolic rate to match calorie output to input. But, and here's the problem, the metabolic rate might drop to reduce calorie expenditure by 300 calories rather than 200 in order to regain the lost weight and get back to our normal weight. So weight loss stops, we get disheartened and quit the diet and our reduced metabolic rate allows the weight to pile back on and then some, just in case we encounter this artificial famine again in the future.

So what's different about a low carb diet? One of the key rules of Bootcamp is to eat when you're hungry. This works to prevent the reduced metabolic rate that scuppers a reduced calorie diet. When you start eating a low carb diet and you have exhausted your glycogen stores, the liver starts converting fat from your diet into ketones. Your muscles start using ketones and then adapt to using fatty acids for energy. Your brain uses ketones and glucose from your diet along with glucose produced from protein by gluconeogenesis. The low levels of insulin induced by a low carb diet allow fatty acids to flow freely in and out of fat cells. It is this free flow of fatty acids from your fat cells that allows you to lose weight on a low carb diet without restricting calories. Your muscles cannot distinguish whether fatty acids came directly from your digestive system or from your fat cells, they just use them up as needed. As you adapt to the low carb diet, there is a reduction in your appetite in response to the ready availability of energy at all times. A low carb diet works simply by allowing your muscles and liver to freely use fatty acids released from your fat cells.

Good luck for the coming week. Keep on keeping on.

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Best1sWest · 08/06/2014 20:58

Craving peanut butter now so Just been to look at the organic no added sugar peanut butter in the cupboard and it is 15 carbs per 100. What are the best low carb ones?

pingufan · 08/06/2014 21:05

Mmm some peanut butter would be naice...

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice · 08/06/2014 21:54

That link is fab Grin I'm going to revisit cauli pizza crust!

I haven't found a suitable peanut butter yet Sad. We have the meridian one - basically just peanuts because DS eats it by the bucket load so I didn't want one with added sugar. Anyway, mine is far too carby for BC.

spamm I agree, that's a real triumph given the circumstances.

trash that sounds like an amazing night out. I'm very jealous. Thanks for giving a shit about my stupid argument and internal biscuit bargainings Grin. I really shouldn't let DH do DIY unsupervised. This evening we've got half way through an IKEA flatpack and we're still married so clearly doing well!

I'm sure your 4lb is water/ confused body. (where's that fairy? [gets lasso ready for when she flies past] If I find her I'll pass her on!)

I had a great day today. DH worked until 2ish and we went out on our bikes afterwards - our bikes have been rotting in the garage since I got pregnant with DS - now 3 1/2. We now have a second hand bike trailer for the DCs and mine needed a new brake to get it on the road but if felt soooo good to be back on it. Not least because I've got a short body and really short arms and men's bikes are normally too long in the reach for me and mine's a lovely women's mountain bike with soft forks and small levers and it's lurrrvely…. It felt like coming home Blush

Pre-DC DH and I were all about the outdoors - we climbed, biked, adventure raced, hiked, wild camped, winter climbed, you name it. We've really lost that since we had children, not least because we now have two young kids and a house to do up, so today was a really good day Grin.

pingufan · 08/06/2014 22:07

Well it's been nice knowing you all, I'm signing out, not from boot camp as I'm doing very well on my own but I'm not being part of a 'community' where it's ok to call people fuckers and daft bastards if you don't follow the rules for some reason.

If you want to see what I'm on about head over to the maintenance and cheaters confessional thread and see trash cans rant. I'm not sure who she thinks she is but I'm not being a part of something like this if this is how people are referred to if they stray from boot camp for whatever reason.

Especially when that person doesn't practice what they preach.

CQ · 08/06/2014 22:16

Aw Pingu don't leave. Don't let the naysayers grind you down. I've been watching that other thread too and laughing at all the judgypants. It's a thin invisible line between cheating and slippage apparently, and who are we to know the difference, us poor fool beginners.

But please remember - we are doing this for ourselves, not for anyone else, so don't give anyone else the power to derail you.

As RoaringForties kindly said to me upthread - hang on to us we'll get through it all somehow.

I'm glad you came back on here to vent, and not just disappear. You see, you NEED us. Please please stay.

SayraT · 08/06/2014 22:25

pingu I don't think you should leave this thread because of what someone said on another thread. I like trash and I am on the other thread as well but I think that she is the type of person who calls her best friends fuckers and daft buggers and doesn't mean it the way you've taken it.

I think each bc is different and I feel that I've not got to know people on this one as well as I did on the other one. That's why I've not posted as much but you can't leave because of what one person has said.

Birdinacage · 08/06/2014 23:06

Pingu - just ignore it, I think the maintenance thread is really more of a friends group than one for everybody and really it's probably better if people have to be rude and insulting about others that it's happening over there away from this thread so that everyone else can just ignore it and hopefully the damage will be minimised for anyone who isn't a perfect low-carb saint (yet) Wink

Parsnipcake · 08/06/2014 23:11

Pingu, I very much understand where you are coming from. I hadn't read the other thread as I am far from maintenance and not cheating, but I did look at it the other day ( because I had been very inspired by Evatheoptimist) and I was a bit Hmm at the name calling a cliquiness, especially on an open thread ( I'm sure this stuff goes on by PM). I am really not into cliques and bitching so I've backed off a bit from this thread - I just wanted LCHF woe support!

I have found a few facebook groups but they are a bit American and bacon focused!

I think the important thing is to carry on for yourself maybe get the IPD book, which is quite supportive. I am going to carry on doing my own thing. I'm very grateful to bootcamp for the past couple of months, and I'm going to stick to the rules, but on my own x

RoaringForties · 08/06/2014 23:17
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linesandlines · 08/06/2014 23:43

Oh. I hadn't read the other thread until now either. Not nice to see at all. Sad

Tbh, I don't understand the difference between cheating, slippage and being in a position where you simply can't comply with the rules (or don't know how well you have re hidden flour in sauces at meals out etc). I've followed the discussion with interest but had noting to add because of that fundamental lack of understanding and not being able to spot which posts/posters people are getting so aerated about.

I think one big problem with getting properly used to this woe is learning better judgement and responsibility for your own actions. BC proper has clear rules, like other diets we've been on. It's obvious what is and isn't OK. BC Light is where you start making a change for life, and it gets harder. If you're used to rule based diets, working out what 'some' berries is (2? A handful? 100g) or what 'occasional' alcohol means; a tiny glass once a fortnight? Half a bottle over a weekend? A couple of glasses each night?

It's these grey areas, where for the first time (in my case, anyway) where we've got to figure it out for ourselves and act like a grown up, instead of a silly kid who rebels against overly strict diets by cheating, then sticking 2 fingers up to it and completely falling off the wagon which are the hardest bit of the woe, but probably also the key to our success long term.

It's a learning curve, and one that hoes against everything we've been taught about nutrition and that our deranged metabolisms will resist. I'd hope that those who've been on this path a while would be more sensitive to those just finding their way on to it, as BIWI, StuntNun and lots of other long term BCers do.

linesandlines · 08/06/2014 23:45

Interesting that my autocorrect thinks I'm more likely to use the word 'hoes' than 'goes'. Blush

spamm · 09/06/2014 04:26

Pingu - the way I see it, the MNers on that thread have come a long way, mostly together, and continue to give each other support. But they are also supporting us on here and in theory, if we stick to it, we could join them on that thread, or create our own.

But we are here for you and each other and we can create our own style or adopt theirs. Stay with us - we need each other to get through this, and really embed this WOE into our lives and habits.

I am amazed that I have only eaten bread once in the last 5 weeks, and that one time was when there was nothing else available. I would tell you that I am addicted to bread, I love it. But for dinner tonight I made DH bruschetta and I had taco casserole. Whoo hoooo - I can do this!

spamm · 09/06/2014 04:32

Oh - and I discovered the most amazing treat. I bought a jar of almond butter with coconut - only 3g of carbs per serving and so so so yummy. I was hungry this pm, so allowed myself a teaspoon off that. OMG, so delicious.

PseudoBadger · 09/06/2014 06:23

Who makes that Spamm?

antimatter · 09/06/2014 06:31

My newly discovered treat/meal is made up of equal double cream and coconut cream.
Next time I am going to try to whip double cream first and then add coconut cream to it.

I ate it in the garden whilst reading my papers. Lovely Sunday afternoon!

I hope everyone can stick to this thread.
We don't have to be acting and reacting in the same way in order to progress in at our own pace. It's impossible.

Each of us we are trying to be our own councilors/hand-holders/judges/dietitians/cruch-holders and many more!

What I found in my live is that I learn and progress and move on if I LISTEN to people and try to understand what is the message they are trying to share with me. I really appreciate everyone's comment on our threads as each bit of knowledge and nugget of info is incredibly important - tried and tested! Hopefully I can get better at doing what we are doing without making too many mistakes!

I appreciate all comments made about me - after all if I share any detail about my food, progression or lack of it on a public forum I am by default allowing comments about it.

Mindful eating is something I was also reading about this weekend.
It takes some going and it sounds like a possible maintenance stage later on
However to get to that stage I have to first get to grips with my body and keep this calmed down insulin levels for many months.

No dialogues with biscuits for me this weekend gone. I am cooking for my kids every day and am unmoved by mash, rice or cuscus I serve for them.
Also my DP has been diagnosed last week with diabetes 2, it was a bit of a shock but as it runs in his family was kind of on the horizon for him. Now he has to go through adjusting his diet and learn about medicines etc. I am interested in what advice about food is he going to get.
His diagnosis made me want to stick to my diet even more, diabetes is in my family too and I had it during both of my pregnancies...

Pisseslikeahorse · 09/06/2014 06:41

Wow... week 5 the confrontation 'DA da dunnnn' Well its good this thread is dead ... Bring on week 6 please BIWI Im feeling smug again

Pingu - don't go.

FolknNorah · 09/06/2014 06:47

Morning all, I'm glad I found you all. I haven't RTFT so I hope everyone is ok.

I haven't been cheating, but as I am stuck in stuck land at the moment I've been trying to keep my head down and get through. I had my TOTM last week, and have put a couple of cm back on around my waist.

I haven't weighed myself for about 2/3 weeks as I can do without that depressing me Grin

I found it hard not to cheat TBH a couple of days before my TOTM started as I got really knackered and have often eaten things like chocolate to stay awake. BUT I went bootcamp lite for the duration Grin, managed to stay on the straight and narrow so I think I'll be back on bootcamp this week and see what happens. Probably bootcamp lite again at weekends after.

Good luck with any weigh ins today. Thanks

SayraT · 09/06/2014 07:04

I will try and post more on this thread from now on, no one meant to hurt/upset anyone with the other thread. I know that I felt like I didn't fit in on this new bc, I dont know why, so focussed my attention on the other thread.

Most of us on the other thread have been doing lc since January or sooner and we really got on so started on the other thread to avoid being cliquey on the main threads. I dont think it has worked out as well as we thought and now we all feel 'odd' on this thread.

I'm not very good and saying what I'm trying to say but pingu don't leave and lets draw a line under this and move on to week 6 together and start afresh.

I've put weight on apparently but I'm weighing on different scales so will weigh in tomorrow on my own scales.

StuntNun · 09/06/2014 07:17

Don't go Pingu, you're a valued member of this group.

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BIWI · 09/06/2014 07:22

Have started a week 6 thread but can't link to it - if someone else could that would be fab. Sooner rather than later, I think Confused

Pisseslikeahorse · 09/06/2014 07:30

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