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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp - The cheating stops here

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StuntNun · 02/06/2014 06:33

Hello again and it's time for weigh in. The cheating seems to have edged up a bit in the last week so I want to remind everyone that cheating is a really bad idea and will hinder your weight loss. It's called Bootcamp for a reason. We only want ten weeks from you and the cheat foods will still be there at the end of Bootcamp. But for now no cheats please. Next time you're tempted remember it isn't the last scone/cake/wine in the world.

If you need a reminder or you're joining Bootcamp partway through, the rules are on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness and you can also track your weight on the Weight Tracker.

As promised last week I've written some info on the science behind diets...

How do we lose weight?

First, why don't low fat restricted calorie diets work? It comes down to homeostasis: our bodies actively resist change. For some reason in humans our resistance to weight change appears to be asymmetric, that is we resist losing weight much more effectively than we resist gaining weight. Most of us have experienced first hand the gradual increase in weight over time, or the more abrupt but still unshiftable weight gain that happens with pregnancy. Basically it's easy to gain weight but difficult to lose weight. So we go on a reduced calorie diet, eating 1800 calories while our bodies are expending 2000 calories. We may lose some weight at first but eventually eating 1800 calories becomes the norm and our bodies resist the change by dropping the metabolic rate to match calorie output to input. But, and here's the problem, the metabolic rate might drop to reduce calorie expenditure by 300 calories rather than 200 in order to regain the lost weight and get back to our normal weight. So weight loss stops, we get disheartened and quit the diet and our reduced metabolic rate allows the weight to pile back on and then some, just in case we encounter this artificial famine again in the future.

So what's different about a low carb diet? One of the key rules of Bootcamp is to eat when you're hungry. This works to prevent the reduced metabolic rate that scuppers a reduced calorie diet. When you start eating a low carb diet and you have exhausted your glycogen stores, the liver starts converting fat from your diet into ketones. Your muscles start using ketones and then adapt to using fatty acids for energy. Your brain uses ketones and glucose from your diet along with glucose produced from protein by gluconeogenesis. The low levels of insulin induced by a low carb diet allow fatty acids to flow freely in and out of fat cells. It is this free flow of fatty acids from your fat cells that allows you to lose weight on a low carb diet without restricting calories. Your muscles cannot distinguish whether fatty acids came directly from your digestive system or from your fat cells, they just use them up as needed. As you adapt to the low carb diet, there is a reduction in your appetite in response to the ready availability of energy at all times. A low carb diet works simply by allowing your muscles and liver to freely use fatty acids released from your fat cells.

Good luck for the coming week. Keep on keeping on.

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BIWI · 05/06/2014 22:36

Sarah - if you're hungry, can I suggest that you actually have breakfast rather than a BPC? I don't think you're eating enough food. I can see that you're trying to get more fat into your diet, but I think you need more food!

Today for me:

B - ff yoghurt
L - cauliflower and broccoli in a bacon spring onion and cheese sauce (won't be making that again as people at worked complained about the 'farty' smell from me cooking the cauli/broccoli in the microwave!)
D - roast chicken, roast peppers, aubergine, chillies and onion, in lots of olive oil and with mayonnaise

spamm · 05/06/2014 23:41

Hi - Sorry, did not check in yesterday, as was not sure how I felt about the "no talk about cheating" issue on here, but I know I take things far too personally and I really appreciate the support on here from everybody, so I am getting over that and am back.

Anyway, OK day today, still doing my best to try and manage my way through dinners over which I have little control.
B: 2 poached eggs, bacon, 3 small portabello mushrooms
L: Malay curry, no rice, broccoli and salad with olive oil.
D: Salmon starter, Lamb and ratatouille, coffee and a splash of milk

Again, I drank tons of water - at least 4 ltrs.

I do not feel like I am losing weight, so I cannot guess what is going on until I get home and weigh myself. But even if I have not lost weight, I have maintained the general trend - cut back on carbs, stuck to water and some tea and coffee, but nothing else. No chocolate dessert (despite them serving them to me every night!), no wine, none of the gorgeous looking bread or crackers, or any of the free wine or beer. I figure that if I continue to try, it will be easier to get back on track when I get home, rather than having to get back to it after a carb fest.

olivesnutsandcheese · 05/06/2014 23:43

I'm still overjoyed with discovering rooibos green tea with a teaspoon of coconut oil. It's a fab breakfast for me especially with a toddler who has a new penchant for throwing food around and has a rather good aim. Grin

Normal green tea can taste quite harsh but I found rooibos green (brand name tick tock) to be quite mellow.

anyhow enough wittering about tea - I read through all the cheat/off-piste/over share debate with interest. It has made me think that I really ought to take some time to work out my triggers and think of how I deal with them.

today's food
b: green tea & coconut oil
l: cucumber, philly ham roll ups, leftover frittata and ff yog with cream
d:belly pork, buttery mashed swede and buttered greens
s:extra thick cream Smile

glenthebattleostrich · 06/06/2014 06:12

Morning,

Need a good day today so will be popping on and off if I can!

Today's food plan -

B ff natural yogurt with a little flax seed
L hallomi fried with a little coconut oil, big green salad with olive oil
D home made beef burgers with portabello mushroom and cheese.
S tea with cream / almond milk, couple of nuts. I'm going to try the rooboos tea with coconut oil too. How much oil do you use per cup?

Water, at least 3 litres and some herbal teas.

Have a great day everyone

StuntNun · 06/06/2014 06:14

I use a teaspoon of coconut oil in rooibos tea Glen, I haven't tried it in green tea yet. You can either stir it before each sip or you can leave it floating on the top where it leaves your lips all soft and conditioned.

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KinkyDorito · 06/06/2014 06:24

Well, I have learned a couple of things this week about this WOE. I am not sharing this to criticise what anyone else does in any way - we all work out what works best for us as we are all different.

Firstly, the downward trend can be erratic, even if you're used to only ever going down when you stick to a diet plan.

Another thing is that I had already become fixated on going on My Fitness Pal, logging, looking at things like calories and how many carbs/protein/fat. I think for me, it was too early to do this. It's probably an excellent tool to get you over the last bit if you don't have much to lose (and some might have had more success with it earlier in the plan), but I found that it made me start to faff about with what I was doing and lose confidence in the WOE generally - i.e. can I really eat 2500 kcals and lose weight kind of worry.

So, after my 3lb gain on Weds, I have sacked off all of this, gone back to eating what I want inside the rules, including lots of cream and cheese, and I've upped the fat to levels where other people would look at me in awe and disgust!

The 3lbs are gone with and extra pound, bringing grand total to 6lbs in 9 days and feeling much better about it all.

BIWI · 06/06/2014 06:38

spamm - I think you're doing brilliantly. It's very, very hard to maintain a good low carb diet in the situation that you're in, and I think it's fantastic that you have resisted for so long.

It does, I have to say, become second nature after a while - and you will find that you can look at things like bread, or chocolate desserts quite dispassionately.

kinky - fab! And I think you're very right about MFP. But I also have to point out that the whole point of Bootcamp is that you don't have to faff about with weighing and counting - follow the rules and it will work.

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StuntNun · 06/06/2014 06:54

I agree Kinky, MFP is very addictive. I log my meals once in a while to get an idea of what I'm eating but I try to avoid it mostly and just follow the rules. I have needed to tweak fat and protein up, and carbs down recently to get the scales moving and that's where MFP really helps but for day-to-day eating it's far better to get yourself into good habits. DRINK ALL THE WATER AND EAT ALL THE FAT!

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SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice · 06/06/2014 06:58

One breakfast inside me biwi Grin

Less time to post however!

Kinky- that sounds like an eminently sensible and insightful decision. I don't use MFP apart from on the odd occasion to check I'm roughly on the right lines. Too much faff and too far away from eating when you're hungry! Fab loss btw.

lowcarbforthewin · 06/06/2014 07:37

Sarah I would have agreed with BIWI. You need more food (how nice is that to hear on a 'diet')

I think you could easily get obsessive with mfp. I've checked it a couple of times out of interest and it has been very eye opening, but it does make you worry too that you're hitting targets etc. much better day to day to go by hunger and common sense.

I hate IF too. Think it's fantastic in principle and I can't believe we are meant to est three meals a day, every day, but my health crashes terribly if I try to fast. I think anyway if you lose weight you get massive health benefits so at least we still get lots doing this.

About to make myself bacon and eggs for breakfast. Feeling a bit sorry for myself. I went out last night. I have been making a big effort to get out more this year so I'm not so isolated. I pay heavily for it physically and yet last night people were pretty rude/ barely spoke to me. I kept trying to strike up conversation with the people sitting around me (party) by asking questions and showing interest and people answered a bit but then either asked me nothing in return or went back to talking to their mates and leaving me sitting by myself. I felt really down, to be honest. I find many people very unfriendly and do wonder sometimes if it isn't better staying in my house alone. I always go out of my way to be welcoming to people, it baffles me that otehers don't. It makes me feel like such a non person, like I'm not of interest to anyone because I have no career, no partner and no children which is sad because despite my chronic illness I have lots of interests and lots to talk about.

Anyway, I did at least feel completely fabulous all dressed up. Felt very excited about how I might look in a few months time.

lowcarbforthewin · 06/06/2014 07:37

I found this by the way, I think it is so true. It makes battling cravings/saying no to social obligation sugar so much easier.

Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp - The cheating stops here
lowcarbforthewin · 06/06/2014 07:40

And I find looking at deserts now that they are just baffling in some ways. Don't get me wrong there is still part of me that wants some, but mostly I think of all the food we eat and it is so full of flavour and bursting with nutrition, and put your random pudding next to that and suddenly it just looks like a plate of sugar/crap. Totally devoid of anything you'd actively want to out in your body to nourish it. It's a very strange feeling!!

Parsnipcake · 06/06/2014 07:54

Will it cause problems if we don't eat much? I am really going through a no hunger phase, and eat no breakfast, a few fried mushrooms and garlic for lunch and I then had some white fish in cheesy topping with salad. I wasn't hungry but probably only ate 800 calories yesterday. Will this be ok as long as I am not leaving myself hungry?

I very much agree about MFP. I used it to tweak but am not using it daily as it is obsessive. I know following the rules should mean we lose weight, but for people like me with such disordered eating, it is worth doing - I was eating far too much protein and it did stall me.

StuntNun · 06/06/2014 08:10

800 calories seems very low Parsnip. Was that a one-off or is that usual for you. If you undereat on your basal metabolic rate (approx 1400 calories a day for me) then your metabolism will slow down and your body will break down your lean body mass for fuel. One low day isn't so bad, that's how the 5:2 diet works. On this WOE I have nearly skipped meals because I wasn't hungry but once food was in front of me then I found I was hungry enough to eat after all.

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Pisseslikeahorse · 06/06/2014 08:23

Good morning all, I'm in the midst of 'nipple' wars here, toddler is winding up ds by telling him that his dinosaurs / lego men etc all have ...

sarah - thanks for writing that yesterday, Ive denied allot of things in my past, and present, surrounding my eating and its given me some real food for thought (no pun intended).
I find it really uncomfortable looking into the past but really want to plan how I can come out the other end of this 10weeks and maintain

B. boiled eggs on iceberg (tastes better than it sounds) Mushrooms
L. Greek yogurt
d. peppered mackerel with some stuff?

Parsnipcake · 06/06/2014 08:25

It has been for a couple of days. My problem is that I just don't have normal hunger cues, so I used to overheat massively. I have been trying consciously not to eat when satisfied, but I can't work out the difference between satisfied and still hungry as the only feeling I really understand is totally stuffed! It's an emotional thing.

So should I try for about 1400 calories? I don't really want to get massively into calorie counting, but I don't think I have the self awareness when it comes to food to manage it otherwise. Maybe when I am used to how that much good 'feels' I will be able to judge it better.

StuntNun · 06/06/2014 10:14

Parsnip are you the kind of person that can eat the same thing every day? If so then I recommend having a very small repertoire of breakfasts and lunches. E.g. breakfast is either scrambled eggs or ff yoghurt and cream. Lunch is either salad and vinaigrette or a chop/bacon/small steak and a cooked vegetable (obviously substitute the foods you prefer). Then branch out a bit more for dinner. That way you can get into a habit of eating and you can adjust quantities as you go along. Ultimately undereating is going to screw up your weight loss.

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lowcarbforthewin · 06/06/2014 11:18

I am a low carbing queen. I am so impressed with myself.

I have a party tomorrow night (yes, two in one week, get me with my social life!), and I have been stressing for ages about it because they're a group of people who drink loads (one of them makes beer himself) and eat loads of junk food (actually they're all mostly paleo cross fitters, they just throw that out the window at parties).

Normally I'd probably just cheat, but I'm determined to nip my cheating in the bud. I have bought myself some strawberry flavoured sparkling water (no sugar in it that I can see) so I can enjoy that to drink, and I have just dipped strawberries in dark chocolate. There probably won't be much else I can eat and I thought at least if I bring those I can have something on my plate and won't stand out so much. They look very nice too. I could have licked the chocolate bowl and didn't, I would rather be thin. It's in the dishwasher! Might try and take cocktail sausages too if I have any energy to find some.

LittleMissDisorganized · 06/06/2014 11:28

Pisses Grin and you are conquering so much on here, I mostly kept on between bootcamps, there will be a good number of us on the in-between thread

lowcarbforthewin well, it is those people's loss last night. IMHO you are someone who is interesting and interested, and it's harder to be good company online in some ways so I am sure you are even more of a good friend and guest IRL. I hope tonight goes well - taking control again. REally inspiring.

spamm I really second BIWI. Also you can't control people's reactions. You have just as much a right to be here as anyone and you are doing so well, I think I would fail completely!

KD I think you have been really wise, and it's worked, and I hope it will keep on working.

I'm ironing and packing today Grin with my sleep and body clock all over the place as I made it to a hugely frustrating and inefficient church meeting last night. Urgh. Anyway best stop avoiding the ironing pile... :)

Oh and food, to keep me accountable

B: egg-in-a-cup with butter
L: shredded BBQ beef with leafy salad, mayo, few pumpkin seeds, flavoured olive oil
D: kind of shepherd's pie, as in mince, with cheesy leek/cauli topping.
S: fat bombs if needed not just wanted!

Nearly 2L water down already. Might have a coffee with a visitor this afternoon. And it's Murray v Nadal tonight - stuff the World Cup, this is real excitement!!!

IrianofWay · 06/06/2014 11:45

OK.... here we go with my very repetive daily menu. But I like it.

Greek yog with a small handful of blackberries, raspberries or other assorted berries. Sometimes I might eat bacon, mushrooms and tomatoes at the weekends

Lunch is a salad (mostly green but sometimes with a few tomatoes), feta cheese, ham/tuna/chicken etc. Home-made very oily vinaigrette or mayo

Dinner - often salad again but sometimes roasted veg with garlic and some sort of big lumpy of protein.

Snacks tend to be cheese - I have given up the nuts as they were a failing I can do without.

No problems with drinking gallons of water. I drink tea and coffee with a tiny touch of milk.

teawithlemon · 06/06/2014 12:02

lowcarbforthewin taking your own is a good idea - and what's the betting people will choose your food over the empty carby junk otherwise on offer? To be frank, their loss if they don't!

For me, a late start to the day as I unintentionally slept in! Very unusual for me, and clearly needed, even my dog didn't do his usual request for attention. So food wise an early lunch/brunch effort:
L - 3 slices bacon, fried egg and two slices emmental cheese all cooked in butter.
D- not sure yet, I have some mince and sausage meat that needs eating so may make meatloaf? And lots of veg/salad as well.

parsnip I'm a little like you, really not feeling hungry but know I must eat (could happily have gone without eating just now, and lasted easily to this evening).
Whilst absolutely NOT watching the calories

lowcarbforthewin · 06/06/2014 12:49

Thank you Little Miss Thanks
Just had leftover pork belly for lunch with a salad. Yum. Possible having had pork belly for three days In a row I am now ready for something else Grin it is delicious though.

pingufan · 06/06/2014 12:57

:/ as much as I love it I may have to stop the BPC, I've noticed that a few hours after I've drunk it my bowels feel very 'unstable'. I'm sat here in work a bit scared to move too fast lol....

miffy49 · 06/06/2014 12:58

Well folks, you have all given me loads of ideas. I've dipped in and out of the forum in the past but found it hard to follow. Getting a better grip this time. :-)

I've been low carbing for a very long time. I've actually lost 50lbs from a start weight of 15st 10lb but for almost 12mths now I've only been able to maintain. My weight loss has never been linear but it was always down on the trend line. Now it still bobs about but the trend is a straight line. I'm getting quite peevish about it!

Theres no way I'm giving up on the plan as I have various health issues including FMS and the keto diet is the only thing that has helped with the energy lows and brain fog. It suits me too as I can't eat grains in general and gluten in particular. I also have to avoid nightshades and to stay fairly low oxalate so low carb is pretty much the norm.

Any ideas for getting the weight moving in the right direction would be good. Exercise is restricted because of the FMS but I do use lightish weights at least 4 days a week plus a bit of yoga and that has helped my insulin resistance and my general shape no end. Anything giddy like cycling and running are well out of the window!

I'm trying to drop my protein a bit. I have done a food diary on Fat Secret but I want to drop that as its getting obsessive. In general I seem to eat between 1100 and 1300Cals a day with a split of around 5% carb 20 to 25% protein and the balance as fat. I do eat dairy but, given my other dietary restriction, I don't want to drop that or life would get very boring. I don't eat vast chunks of cheese and I limit yoghurt to a small helping once a day as a dessert with cream. Again, I don't use vast amounts of cream as I don't need it for coffee etc.

Sorry this is long. Hope I haven't bored the pants off you but there does seem to be a lot of knowledge between you all so maybe someone could sneak up and push me off this plateau! :-)

JimmyCorkhill · 06/06/2014 13:37

Ooh, miffy49, is it easy avoiding nightshades? I've heard it can limit psoriasis but with cutting out wheat/sugar/processed meat I thought I would be left with nothing to eat!

lowcarbforthewin I have noticed this reaction with certain people. They tend to be the sort of people who need you to be the same as them (priority wise) or better than them, or someone who can benefit them in some way. If you don't fulfill those criteria they won't waste time on you. Their loss. It's an extremely narrow way to live. I like to think that they are doing my filtering for me as I don't want to be friends with people like that ha ha! You are lovely on this thread, I would happily sit and chat with you.

I totally agree with Stuntnun on the small repertoire of meals. That's exactly what I do and I can't imagine EVER getting sick of a juicy chop with crispy fat, and a side of garlic butter drenched greens.

B: BPC and egg in a cup.
L: Curried cauliflower soup (recipe here) Absolutely delish and beyond easy to make.
D: Bolognese

Wedding tomorrow - I am having a mahoosive lunch (roast chicken, roasted sweet pots and buttery greens) before I leave. I will be picking out the LC food from my meals and avoiding the evening buffet as I will have had breakfast/early lunch/wedding breakfast so won't need to eat again.

That IPD moussaka mentioned recently looks amazing. I am earmarking that for when I reintroduce dairy.