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Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp - The cheating stops here

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StuntNun · 02/06/2014 06:33

Hello again and it's time for weigh in. The cheating seems to have edged up a bit in the last week so I want to remind everyone that cheating is a really bad idea and will hinder your weight loss. It's called Bootcamp for a reason. We only want ten weeks from you and the cheat foods will still be there at the end of Bootcamp. But for now no cheats please. Next time you're tempted remember it isn't the last scone/cake/wine in the world.

If you need a reminder or you're joining Bootcamp partway through, the rules are on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness and you can also track your weight on the Weight Tracker.

As promised last week I've written some info on the science behind diets...

How do we lose weight?

First, why don't low fat restricted calorie diets work? It comes down to homeostasis: our bodies actively resist change. For some reason in humans our resistance to weight change appears to be asymmetric, that is we resist losing weight much more effectively than we resist gaining weight. Most of us have experienced first hand the gradual increase in weight over time, or the more abrupt but still unshiftable weight gain that happens with pregnancy. Basically it's easy to gain weight but difficult to lose weight. So we go on a reduced calorie diet, eating 1800 calories while our bodies are expending 2000 calories. We may lose some weight at first but eventually eating 1800 calories becomes the norm and our bodies resist the change by dropping the metabolic rate to match calorie output to input. But, and here's the problem, the metabolic rate might drop to reduce calorie expenditure by 300 calories rather than 200 in order to regain the lost weight and get back to our normal weight. So weight loss stops, we get disheartened and quit the diet and our reduced metabolic rate allows the weight to pile back on and then some, just in case we encounter this artificial famine again in the future.

So what's different about a low carb diet? One of the key rules of Bootcamp is to eat when you're hungry. This works to prevent the reduced metabolic rate that scuppers a reduced calorie diet. When you start eating a low carb diet and you have exhausted your glycogen stores, the liver starts converting fat from your diet into ketones. Your muscles start using ketones and then adapt to using fatty acids for energy. Your brain uses ketones and glucose from your diet along with glucose produced from protein by gluconeogenesis. The low levels of insulin induced by a low carb diet allow fatty acids to flow freely in and out of fat cells. It is this free flow of fatty acids from your fat cells that allows you to lose weight on a low carb diet without restricting calories. Your muscles cannot distinguish whether fatty acids came directly from your digestive system or from your fat cells, they just use them up as needed. As you adapt to the low carb diet, there is a reduction in your appetite in response to the ready availability of energy at all times. A low carb diet works simply by allowing your muscles and liver to freely use fatty acids released from your fat cells.

Good luck for the coming week. Keep on keeping on.

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LittleMissDisorganized · 02/06/2014 11:21

Roaring that is the most lovely news to hear - the extra benefits are sometimes so valuable to hear about.

I've gained another 0.75lb over the week. Can't believe I missed getting the balance right for all these months Confused I weigh in on Sunday, and since then I'm on the need-to-up-my-fat realisation bandwagon, so personally am using MFP daily just for now. So, we'll see what the sharpened up regime does.

I'm trying to shift my body clock around prior to starting work - those of you with fatigue related problems/ issue will probably get this - but having struggled to stretch myself out to average 13 hour days, which took months to manage on a regular basis, I'm moving my get up time earlier in preparation for going back to work in two weeks. Sounds a bit pathetic but that's how life is. So I'm at 7am this week and feel really rough today. I think trying to do it in 3-4 weeks was a bit unrealistic, but having gained the ability to do something in the evenings again I was so reluctant to give that up. Moan over, there are worse things people are dealing with. Just a bit frightened that I'm going to be asking too much of myself, but there is no part time advertised at my level in my field and since I don't have a fatigue related diagnosis (am almost 2 years post ITU-survivor, so this is just considered "normal") I can't turn things down because of 'not thinking I can cope'. Urgh. Sorry for dumping it all, it does feel quite safe here.

In other news, I am just about to have my first attempt at making sausages!! I'm very excited - thanks Stunt for the inspiration, it's taken me a bit of reading and shopping but this is a king of to me from me early birthday present. As it were!!

Have a good week all, we can do this, we are doing it!

GuyMartinsSideburns · 02/06/2014 11:42

I cant seem to be able to put my weight on the spreadsheet, could someone enter mine please? - 137lbs. Thanks v much x

Bugsylugs · 02/06/2014 12:05

well done all those that are loosing. Dont despair those that are having a blip the whoosh fairy will happen. For those struggling to keep motivated remember what it was that got you to sign up the excitment of starting remember it is the trend and the tape measure that is your friend.

1lb off for me so back to where I was 2 weeks ago but to be fair that is good, hols, wedding and celebrations got in the way but I had planned for it. It is all comming off really slowly for me but the change in shape is great. 1 stone lighter than I was at the begining of the year.

Best of luck for the next week

cousinsandra · 02/06/2014 12:16

Oh balls, got my sums wrong and am actually 2lbs heavier than I thought! Have adjusted on spreadsheet.
Well at least it's decreasing and the next few weeks should be more orderly.

StringBeanJean · 02/06/2014 12:25

Hello all! Some great losses this week, congrats to all you losers, and commiserations to the gainers. Hopefully next week will be your week.

Disappeared for a bit last week as felt bally awful with a pounding head. Thought it was my glasses and lack of sleep but came to a slow realisation that was because I'm not eating enough fat! Have felt a bit better since, but struggling to up the fat, especially at lunchtimes somehow. If anyone has any ideas in things to eat at your desk please do share, would be v grateful.

Thanks for the sciencey bit, Stunt, reading it always strengthens my (already strong) resolve that this is a great woe.

1lb off for me this week - am happy with that, I have lost 5lb so far now. My aim is a stone so shall embrace the slow and steady approach Grin

Will catch up in all your posts tonight but Glen and Stunt! I did my first shred last night - was amazing! Starting to ache a bit now, but I am a Convert - 6 pack here I come!

Citymouse · 02/06/2014 12:32

Hello everyone, hope you don't mind me joining in with your bootcamp!

Only been LC for less than a week but weighed myself yesterday (couldn't resist..) and almost 3lb off already.. woohoo! Will now be good and wait until next monday to weigh again.

Although worried about the amount of cheese I've been eating (bloody love cheese), having read the guidelines will have to try to reign myself in a bit!

trashcanjunkie · 02/06/2014 12:46

Morning lovelies! I sts this week, which is absolutely fine - I had my big whoosh a couple of weeks ago and then still lost the week after. Plus I had a night in hospital sitting up watching ds2 on a drip on Friday, and missed sleep plays havoc with my weightless I've realised. I'm staying on bc too.now, we have a fresh new thread, please let there be no more sullying of it with weakener cheating. It's really demotivating reading cheat after cheat and then having to see the results of said cheating. I know, I'm harsh, but although it is only ten weeks for some people, there are those amongst us who are in this for a real long haul - we've been bootcamp hopping for months and will continue to. This isn't a diet for us, it's a total life change. Think how different it would be if this was a support thread for addicts of other substances, say drugs or alcohol. Can you imagine writing that you had a fuck it moment and just jacked up, but that's fine because I stayed straight the rest of the weekend? Food has been my drug and it's always there in the back of my mind that I have to fight like a tiger not to crash back into my old ways. I need the strength of the others fighting like tigers so we can all do battle together, not to feel I'm alone on the battlefield watching my brethren fall to their knees in defeat.

Obviously I'm not talking about the very occasional un avoidable times when one either mindfully eats a verboten item, or when something extraordinary comes along and scuppers you. But this thread is not a cheaters confessional. It seriously undermines what we're trying to achieve when people decide to just blurt their cheating out willy nilly like it's something to be proud of. I'm not talking about anyone in particular, I'm speaking of what I feel is a general trend. Please consider how your words affect others, and if you want to do it, perhaps this isn't the thread for you, as there are many other low carb/diet sections where this is acceptable. This is boot camp for a reason.

Okay, moving on.... Food so far today,

B - tuna fish with Delois mayo and cucumber.

I'm planning on making some kind of crust less quiche/muffin things for lunch, and have a shoulder of lamb for dinner, which I'll have with spinach and something.

lowcarbforthewin · 02/06/2014 12:51

Stunt has the set point theory been challenged? Well done on your loss!

LittleMiss I can imagine it is very hard adjusting to an earlier wake up time. It sounds like you have come so far so hope you will adjust soon to getting up at 7. It has such a huge impact on the rest of your day.

Have just been playing around on myfitness pal. I am learning such a lot. I had steak for lunch today, thinking steak was high fat. 6g only for one steak!! That really shocked me. I eat a lot of chicken, mince (which quite often is low fat these days) and overall I guess I have been much lower on fat that I realised. Have done an online food shop and ordered myself pork belly, plus pork belly strips so I can cut them up and munch on them, duck, lamb chops - the fattiest things I could find. It still after all these months feels so scary! I wonder if I will ever get used to it. I do think too that without dairy you really have to work at getting enough, thank goodness for coconut cream and butter.

StuntNun · 02/06/2014 12:58

Lowcarbforthewin I always used to cut the fat off meat, take the skin off chicken, thinnest scrape of butter imaginable etc. but I do think after a while on this WOE your body figures out what it needs and you start to enjoy the fattier foods more. When you look at anthropological records of primitive peoples then they sought out the fattier parts of the animal to eat first. Obviously they knew little about nutrition so I think there is an instinct to eat the foods we need. It's only in these modern times that the wrong foods trigger those instincts. So the hunger for sweet foods that would have led us to berries and other fruits in season now sends us to chocolate and desserts. And the hunger for fattier foods sends us to doughnuts and fast food joints. So even if you find it difficult to eat those fatty foods now I do think you will come to enjoy them and find yourself eating like a caveman: gnawing the bones and licking your fingers clean to get every last morsel.

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JimmyCorkhill · 02/06/2014 13:05

Guy I have added you. And boooo, I realised I forgot to put last week's weight in so actually I've stayed the same. Never mind.

Trash you're right. I have been allowing my people pleasing tendencies to derail my hard work and that is another issue. I might actually start a different thread about it as I keep falling into this trap.

monkeyfacegrace · 02/06/2014 13:19

Great losses everyone.

I'm back to 142lb which is what I was at the end of the last boot camp. So I've effectively sts which is fine for me as I've cheated lots and had a couple of holidays. And I'm still overall 33lb down in total.

Have 10lb left to go to be in dream weight territory and it's proving quite hard. As if my body is saying no more!

Really well done everybody though. I'd love to know how much weight we have collectively lost!

JimmyCorkhill · 02/06/2014 13:21

I started a thread about eating to be polite.

SirNoel · 02/06/2014 13:25

2lbs on. Bollocking buggery bollocks Grin

CQ · 02/06/2014 13:52

Trash you are absolutely right. I came to the conclusion last week that for me, carbs are an addiction and that I should treat them as an alcoholic treats booze.

Just having one weak moment such as a glass of wine or piece of toast, can trigger such overwhelming cravings that it's tempting to fall right off the wagon.

Not wanting to in anyway demean the utter hell that alcoholics must go through in staying dry, but I do feel that only last week did I have the lightbulb moment that this must be a permanent change and not just a 10-week abstinence.

I will fight like a tiger with you. There will be no more cheating from me, and any cockups will not be shared on this thread, I shall just quietly self-flagellate Grin

lowcarbforthewin · 02/06/2014 14:03

Respect, Trash. Thanks for the bollocking. This is deadly serious to me too; I'm caught in this cycle of being desperately unhappy with my weight, wanting to be strict, then something happens which means I cheat, usually only a tiny amount but enough to sabotage myself, then I don't lose weight, then I get into a massive panic that it isn't actually possible to lose more and I feel so unhappy. I need everyone's support not to cheat.

Jimmy will go read your thread. I am terrible at eating stuff to be polite. Terrible! I have a party this weekend and next (woo hoo!! Social life!!!) and I'm already dreading being seen as boring. But going to take a bottle of sparkling water, maybe make some bootcamp friendly snacks/dishes and BE STRICT. I have done it before, I can do it again.

lowcarbforthewin · 02/06/2014 14:06

And Stunt I am definitely enjoying fattier foods far more. It's all new to me (mum was on a diet my whole childhood so was often disapproving of us being too greedy/eating fat on meat say) but my goodness, pork belly, duck, they are so scrumptious. I swear I lived off rice and beans for years. Oh and Ryvita and vegetable soup and rice cakes. Would I ever go back? Hell no!!! Just got to get my brain to catch up with my taste buds and relax about it being ok to eat this new stuff.

antimatter · 02/06/2014 14:16

Congrats to all losers and commemorations to the likes of me who had fallen off the wagon this week gone Sad.

I am back on the wagon as there's no other way Grin

LittleMissDisorganized · 02/06/2014 14:28

I think the reason I didn't get it with the not-enough fat thing (and even if BIWI puts in in bold and capitals and double underlined!!) is that I am so hardwired into believing fat=bad kind of "four legs good, two legs bad" style. And so when you all told me, eat a lot of fat, I thought, oh, I'm eating LOADS of fat, dressings AND mayonnaise, and didn't realise I needed more than that, needed to think about it more.

And on the subject of that hardwiring - it looks to me like it'll be worse for our kids. I'm in my thirties - I remember drawing the pyramid thing at school. Now primary age children have their lunch boxes checked, they come home worrying (like trashy mentioned) about having their 5 a day, and reversing childhood core beliefs is very difficult. Here endeth the pessimism.

As for an addiction - yes, definitely it is. I'm not sure a relapse is as bad. I feel like if I drank again now it would be emotionally/ spiritually destructive and even if I managed to keep it to one night the time to feel like I was well again would be huge. And maybe people feel that strongly about falling off here - I don't think I do, I can have a planned meal off and I certainly couldn't have a planned drink, and the weight kills you more slowly, I'd say it's probably more subtly emotionally and spiritually damaging as well. Hmmm. The denial, too is vast and covers huge numbers in society. But yes, I feel well, well inside and out when I'm eating til full, on this plan, not wavering off.

Oh and the *** mincer does NOT fit the machine. Unless I am technically incompetent (possible, but not likely). Am not amused, especially as I've lost the receipt. Idiot. DH can have a go later on....

Hissy · 02/06/2014 14:28

Am back with intent and determination. DS is back at school, me at work and we are back on for LC BC.

Grin
SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice · 02/06/2014 15:02

{whinge alert}

I really really need to fix my stupid head so that I don't get stupidly demoralised the minute the scales go up. I'm so upset about being 2lb up. I realise that my eating last week wan't as good as it could be - I only stuck to ubercamp for 2 days, the almond fat bombs were a real problem, I had three large glasses of wine and about 100g of cheese in total over the weekend… Actually, there, I needed to write that down to realise it - that is seriously too much BCL and not enough BC for me to loose weight.

[slaps self]

Right then!

littlemiss good luck with your mincer. My conditioning seems to let me get over the fat issue, but can I get my head around adding salt? oh no. Really struggle with that.

Hello Citymouse

Good luck to everyone and congratulations to those that have lost.

linesandlines · 02/06/2014 15:34

Very pleased with 2lbs off! 10.5lb in total. I think water has been making the difference. Religiously knocking back 3l a day plus hot drinks has meant losses 2 weeks in a row for the first time since starting BC 10 weeks ago.

Sorry to hear tales of putting on woe. Do try to power through cravings. The less you give in to them, the less they trouble you. The cravings are the death throes of sugar & carbs' control over you. Kick them in the nuts and have a lump of fat instead.

Like trash this is a permanent change for me. Everyone in my family over a certain age is either diabetic or alcoholic or both. Sugar and my genes are a bad combination and I'll be LC for life. Weight loss is a benefit, but living to see any future grandchildren grow to a ripe old age is the real goal. This means that any cheats or carby twattishness will be carefully considered and mindfully done. Although like Jimmy my achilles heel is social situations. Lying is probably the best tactic. ;) "Ooh, bread doesn't half play havoc with me lumbago" or somesuch.

Well done to all the losers and especially Parsnip about to break a significant barrier.

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice · 02/06/2014 16:27

Grin lumbago lines

Citymouse · 02/06/2014 16:51

I'm all in for the lying to avoid carbs too lines. Just yesterday I told a blind face lie to my friend and the waiter about my (non-existent) gluten allergy to explain why I didn't want my scrambled eggs on the muffin. Neither batted an eyelid! Liberating not to have to explain about ze diet.

Citymouse · 02/06/2014 16:53

In fairness I do have an intolerance to gluten foods-They make me chubby!

Birdinacage · 02/06/2014 16:55

Afternoon everyone, one pound down for me this week, I manage to loose the gain but didn't quite make it back to where I was on Saturday so no breaking through the next stone barrier for me this week after all. It's a bit annoying but I'm not going to beat myself up about it as I know that for me the rare cheat meal isn't going to send me running back to the carbs full time. This is also a permanent change for me and as I have a history of disordered eating and a thoroughly unhealthy relationship with food it's actually important for me to not get too controlling about what I eat. Every now and then I can feel the issues pressing on me again and the temptation to restrict carbs (or food in general) excessively is actually far stronger than any temptation to dive into a bowl of chocolate or a bottle of wine (yuck). Sometimes I find that I have to force myself to eat a meal which has a total carb count of more than 3, so for me I feel that it is important not to be too strict with myself or too self-berating if I do allow myself the odd very occasional cheat moment. I want this change in my way of eating to be a permanent and positive one and to be able to finally have a healthy positive relationship with food not one based on guilt, shame and restriction.

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