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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp - The cheating stops here

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StuntNun · 02/06/2014 06:33

Hello again and it's time for weigh in. The cheating seems to have edged up a bit in the last week so I want to remind everyone that cheating is a really bad idea and will hinder your weight loss. It's called Bootcamp for a reason. We only want ten weeks from you and the cheat foods will still be there at the end of Bootcamp. But for now no cheats please. Next time you're tempted remember it isn't the last scone/cake/wine in the world.

If you need a reminder or you're joining Bootcamp partway through, the rules are on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness and you can also track your weight on the Weight Tracker.

As promised last week I've written some info on the science behind diets...

How do we lose weight?

First, why don't low fat restricted calorie diets work? It comes down to homeostasis: our bodies actively resist change. For some reason in humans our resistance to weight change appears to be asymmetric, that is we resist losing weight much more effectively than we resist gaining weight. Most of us have experienced first hand the gradual increase in weight over time, or the more abrupt but still unshiftable weight gain that happens with pregnancy. Basically it's easy to gain weight but difficult to lose weight. So we go on a reduced calorie diet, eating 1800 calories while our bodies are expending 2000 calories. We may lose some weight at first but eventually eating 1800 calories becomes the norm and our bodies resist the change by dropping the metabolic rate to match calorie output to input. But, and here's the problem, the metabolic rate might drop to reduce calorie expenditure by 300 calories rather than 200 in order to regain the lost weight and get back to our normal weight. So weight loss stops, we get disheartened and quit the diet and our reduced metabolic rate allows the weight to pile back on and then some, just in case we encounter this artificial famine again in the future.

So what's different about a low carb diet? One of the key rules of Bootcamp is to eat when you're hungry. This works to prevent the reduced metabolic rate that scuppers a reduced calorie diet. When you start eating a low carb diet and you have exhausted your glycogen stores, the liver starts converting fat from your diet into ketones. Your muscles start using ketones and then adapt to using fatty acids for energy. Your brain uses ketones and glucose from your diet along with glucose produced from protein by gluconeogenesis. The low levels of insulin induced by a low carb diet allow fatty acids to flow freely in and out of fat cells. It is this free flow of fatty acids from your fat cells that allows you to lose weight on a low carb diet without restricting calories. Your muscles cannot distinguish whether fatty acids came directly from your digestive system or from your fat cells, they just use them up as needed. As you adapt to the low carb diet, there is a reduction in your appetite in response to the ready availability of energy at all times. A low carb diet works simply by allowing your muscles and liver to freely use fatty acids released from your fat cells.

Good luck for the coming week. Keep on keeping on.

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Pisseslikeahorse · 05/06/2014 04:49

Birdinacage - thank you.

teawithlemon · 05/06/2014 06:15

Well. Almost the weekend and there's a weeny teeny tiny shift on the scales in a downward direction, not enough to announce and I fully expect it to have reversed by tomorrow morning. So much harder to shift the fat this time around, never expected such a slow metabolic response.

Much less cheating more because I've been so hectic at work and home that I've not had time to think about food! That plus I'm just not hungry and have forgotten to eat. Yesterday was scrambled egg and cold salmon with salad, few coffees and a cold sausage when I got in at ten pm.

Have a good day everyone

StuntNun · 05/06/2014 06:31

Teawithlemon those teeny downshifts on the scale are very welcome when you have to work so much harder than you're used to. I have had a long stall myself but the scales are edging down again ever so slowly now.

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SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice · 05/06/2014 07:00

Good morning everyone. I have no time to say anything other than happy bootcamping!

RoaringForties · 05/06/2014 10:02

Thanks for the reassurance over my reduced appetite SarahBeeny can see that others are feeling the same so just going with it.
well done on your shift, no matter how small tea it helps so much to see it moving.

pisses I am thinking hard on my camping menu for the first week of the school holidays. I usually take a frozen spag bol, chilli type thing which I can easily adapt to lc so that's ok but a lot of our camping menu is very carb heavy. I have got a beautiful new Icey tek which is going to help heaps as it stays cold for so long. I can make an omelette easily I guess and masses of salad.

pingufan · 05/06/2014 10:02

Hello everyone, still here trying to redeem myself for the carbiness last weekend. have lost 3 out of the 4lb I gained (over just 2 days - can't believe it) and am feeling less cravy and headachey today.

Yesterday I ate
B - 2 buttered eggs
L - Roast chicken leg meat with salad, oily dressing & mayo
D - Roast chicken in butter with courgette sliced in with a potato peeler, 2 slices of bacon fried in with it and a little coconut oil (deeeelish)

Today I'll have
B - 2 buttered eggs
L - Tuna in oil with mayo and salad
D - not sure yet

Have a good day everyone xx

LittleMissDisorganized · 05/06/2014 10:11

Hi everyone,
So much to read, and I think the thoughtful, if differing opinions have been really supportive and encouraging, almost entirely so.

And thank you for the personal suggestions. I have read a couple of stall-shifting suggestions, and keep on keeping on is definitely a big message (I'm really sorry that I can't remember who said, well, what other options are there - WW/ caloric restriction misery? You are completely and totally right) and all the other benefits on this WOE - I have more energy (and energy is a big deal for me, it's worth it for that alone), my eating is far less emotional because like Pisses I manage to go for ham and egg mayo roll ups, or a fat bomb at worst - and that's a big achievement. I don't nibble/graze, and I don't eat beyond fullness.

I started writing out my meals last night, and noticed to my real Blush embarrassment just how much processed meat I am eating. Daily, often twice daily. (So embarrassed I deleted my post!!) Now, I am fussy, and I eat much better since starting this WOE but I have ham or bacon or sausages on a daily basis, often in things like last night I made delicious asparagus wrapped in parma ham - but there it is again, creeping into another meal. I wondered if instead of carb creep I have "rules creep"? I've tried stopping dairy, for a fortnight, made no difference. Could this be it?

My days are usually 1600-1800 cal, and 18-25g carbs. Sometimes I end up having eaten 2000-2200 cal and I am usually surprised as I've not felt hungrier, so am I eating too much sometimes?? I thought the calories didn't matter too much?

Mark's Daily Apple talks about both not leaving it more than 5 hours between eating, but also the value of Intermittent Fasting. I've been aiming for 14 hour fasts this last week, overnight, as well as upping my fat. I think (but comments welcome) that given that I'm away next week and starting work the week after I will stick with this as a plan for now (might not quite manage 14 hour fasted as work will get in the way!) and re-evaluate. And be mindful of processed meat... And be glad that I am almost 2 stone lighter than at the start of the year.

antimatter · 05/06/2014 10:49

some people stall on processed meat
perhaps try one week without any and see if there's much difference

Parsnipcake · 05/06/2014 11:00

I tried IF, and found I got too hungry and became a bit uncontrolled, picking mindlessly, but if you're at work you will have more to distract you?

The thing that seems to have boosted me is smaller portions and more fat. I was eating quite a lot, and thinking because I was hungry I should eat a plateful, but now I eat a small meal - 1 egg in a cup rather than /, 1 sausage instead of 3, 1/2 a roasted cauliflower rather than a whole one! And it does fill me up. I'd given up dairy but am now eating it and losing weight. I was out last night and no-one left me any dinner :( ( which I had made for everyone), so I had some clotted cream and a couple of raspberries. It filled me up fine.

linesandlines · 05/06/2014 11:04

^Fat bomb, fat bomb, you're a fat bomb
You can give it to me when I need to move the scales along^

There, I thought I would share the pain of that 2 days & counting earworm, given that it's all your fault!

Thumbwitch · 05/06/2014 11:09

I missed it the start of this thread. Blush

I finally got caught by the bug - DS2 threw up again Sunday night and then it was my turn in the early hours of Monday morning. :( Luckily, that seemed to be DS2's swansong, and I only had one big hit of D&V on the Monday morning; didn't eat all day just in case, but by the evening I was starving. Couldn't do low carb though - just couldn't face it, had to go the dry cracker route (had a headache by then as well). Been getting back to normal over the week but I think my 1lb loss is more due to the whole monday episode than any actual good behaviour on my part!

Sorry to just SMS - should have got on this thread a lot earlier Blush

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice · 05/06/2014 11:16

lines groan...

linesandlines · 05/06/2014 14:03

Yeah, sorry.

Pisseslikeahorse · 05/06/2014 15:08

Littlemiss - I write it all out and it sits in the kitchen alongside my running and workout sheets, I also mark off water and generally try and balance the day out with lots of fat. Being able to see it whenever I'm in the kitchen acts as a big incentive. (see pic, please disregard nasty 70s kitchen)

RoaringForties - Like the idea of frozen chilly. I have some green tai curry paste thats just chucked in the pan with whatever your frying, so was going to do that with veg and lots of coconut cream.
We're off for a long weekend in Oxfordshire next week so will report back after.

Today has been a tired one being woken and up at 3.30am, after a heavy Judo session last night and knocking out a mammoth run this morning 10.88k. The energy levels are so good on this woe. Anyone have any good remedies for seized up legs?

Hope your all doing well today

Week 5 - Low Carb Bootcamp - The cheating stops here
StuntNun · 05/06/2014 19:29

It seems quiet on here today. I have had a bit of a disastrous day foodwise.

B: scrambled eggs, tea, BPC, two strawberries, small quantity dark choc
L: lambs liver with bacon, shallots and mushrooms
D: two pork belly slices
Loads of water and herbal tea

Actually now I write it down it doesn't seem that bad after all.

I'm wondering what to do when I go on holiday next month. I've found I really have to up the fat lately or I'm getting hungry and I don't see how I'm going to be able to do that staying in a hotel. I was wondering whether trying to stick to a normal-ish diet would work for a week or whether it would screw me up. I'd still avoid sugary stuff but maybe include carbier foods such as bread, potatoes and rice. Last time I went on holiday it was self-catering so it wasn't an issue. What I don't want is to go on holiday and go mad eating rubbish food, I need to have a plan for how to manage. Wonders if it would be weird to pack a suitcase of pork scratchings and Peperamis.

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Parsnipcake · 05/06/2014 19:45

Where in the world are you going? I am having the same dilemma in that we are going to Dusneyland Paris for a week with food included! Not having to cook is a big part of my holiday, but the food looks VERY carby. I think my plan is to enjoy low carb foods, like cheese, salami etc and not worry about protein/ fat ratios. I don't want to eat bread, pasta etc. the very thought makes my tongue shrivel! I may mindfully eat a couple of desserts that are heavy on cream or dark chocolate, but no pastry. I really don't want to go through carb flu when I come back.

Ohwhatfuckeryisthis · 05/06/2014 19:53

Yes, back to having lost half a stone. Today was mushrooms fried in butter, 3brazil nuts, salad with olive oil dressing, an omelet with Parma ham. Two black farmer sausages with a fried egg. I made the chocolate fat bomb thing with 85% chocolate, it's so bitter I won't be having a lot.

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice · 05/06/2014 20:11

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glenthebattleostrich · 05/06/2014 20:28

I'm going to have to force myself to eat breakfast tomorrow. Not been hungry first thing the last couple of days but eating later leads to me grazing all day.

Today

B cup of tea with cream
B2 / early lunch ham, 2 babybel, 2 mini peperami, bowl ff natural yogurt
L packet pork scratchings, 4 slices corned beef
T chicken kebab

3 litres water and .6 litre diet Pepsi, 2 more tea with cream.

teawithlemon · 05/06/2014 20:35

Evening all, hope it was a good day? Am very tired, slept perhaps 3 hours last night and another full-on day today. So food wise
B-scrambled egg with a bit of emmental cheese and lashings of butter and marmite
L -green salad
S-grilled chick with little more emmental cheese. Broccoli.
Cheats- just now, with coffee, one single after 8 mint. Note the 'single'part of that, proud that is was just one as previously I could eat half a box without a care. Struggling a bit with the water, still have a litre to go so I expect to not sleep,again as I'll be up peeing half the night!

KinkyDorito · 05/06/2014 20:35

b - scrambled eggs with lots of butter
l - tuna in oil, baby spinach, olive oil
s - a couple of bits of halloumi, coffee with cream
d- 2 meat free burgers with cheese, spinach and rocket salad with green olives and glug of olive oil.

Possibly could have gone without dinner. I'm taking that as a good sign that ketosis is properly kicked in. Hopefully my weight will start to come down now!

KinkyDorito · 05/06/2014 20:36

B-scrambled egg with a bit of emmental cheese and lashings of butter and marmite That sounds VERY nice. I'm going to try that.

Best1sWest · 05/06/2014 21:22

B halloumi, crispy gam and egg cooked in butter.
L tuna mayo with lettuce,celery,tomato
S chicken stir fried with veg. A bit low on fat so I opened a tin of coconut milk to add to the stir fry and found it had set solid so scooped it into a bowl and guzzled it for my dessert instead of yoghurt. It was delicious and only 1.8 carbs. I will be going round Supermarkets shaking the coconut milk tins to see if they have set.

2.5 litres water, 2 coffees with cream.

SayraT · 05/06/2014 21:26

I am also hungry today! Must be a day for hunger.

Today I've had:

B- ff yogurt with a few (10) blueberries
L- sausages, fried duck egg
D- courgetti and bolognese
S- lots of crackling

How much crackling is too much, I got pork rind and made my own. I've eaten it (30cm x 15cm ish) in two days as snacks Blush

On phone so difficult to do name check reply but hope everyone getting on alright?

readyforno2 · 05/06/2014 22:31

Have just got back from the personal trainer. He made me run...

B- coffee with cream, mushrooms and bacon fried in butter
L- ham salad with boiled egg and mayo
D- Caesar salad- went out for dinner, really did not enjoy it. Forgot to tell them not to give me anchovies so only really ate the chicken and lettuce.
Think I'm going to fry some courgette as a snack. Haven't really had enough veg today