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Why do my kids see my cheating estranged wife as amazing

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iamthemanny · 04/04/2024 14:53

My wife left me for a work colleague due to an ongoing affair last July. Lives with the affair partner since last September.

Does anyone else see their kids obsessed with their mother and affair partner and the betrayed spouse losing out and blamed.

It is killing me. I was also the Stay At Home Dad.

Advice really appreciated.

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Ilovegoldies · 04/04/2024 19:24

I do hope you manage to keep a lid on your feelings when they are around. A person I know lost his children when they were old enough to vote with their feet because he couldn't hide his bitterness. His ex wife was the one who cheated too.

BoohooWoohoo · 04/04/2024 19:28

It takes time for kids to reflect on the past and make realizations.

Is your ex buying their favour with treats and lax boundaries so she can appear like a cool mum?

Kids are preprogrammed to love their parents. You get many adults on here who tell their story and are shocked when people comment that their parent sounds crap or abusive. I know it smarts that she appears to have drifted off without consequence but your kids will later thank you💐

IncompleteSenten · 04/04/2024 19:45

iamthemanny · 04/04/2024 19:12

Some realisation that I have been their rock through this 💩 show

From 13 and 11 year old children who are trying to deal with their parents splitting up?

Do you think that is a fair, reasonable or realistic thing for a parent to want from children?

AgathaMystery · 04/04/2024 19:52

iamthemanny · 04/04/2024 19:12

Some realisation that I have been their rock through this 💩 show

being Really Frank, it’s just your job to be that. It’s part of parenting and none of us expect or deserve recognition for this, the most basic of things.

I know that sounds awful, but it is just ‘being a parent’.

Once upon a time I was your 13yr old. They will know what you did, but not for a decade or so. Don’t expect adult things from your young children.

SleepingStandingUp · 04/04/2024 19:57

iamthemanny · 04/04/2024 19:12

Some realisation that I have been their rock through this 💩 show

They're too young. You won't get that until adulthood at least. It isn't their job to recognise your sacrifice and be grateful. You're doing your job. Do it well and later on they'll realise.

You were the sahp and she left so perhaps there's an element of competing for her love. You're the pare t that's just there. No need to fight for it. That isn't a bad thing. Just continue to show consistency, give their mother the basic respect she deserves as their mother and focus on your own relationship.

IAmThe1AndOnly · 04/04/2024 20:04

Honestly? She’s there mother. That’s all that matters.

People can say that one day they’ll know, they’ll make their judgements, they’ll dislike her etc but in reality those are cliches which people use to make the hurt more bearable for themselves, because people want others to think as badly as the partner who cheats as they do.

And yet anecdotally of all the people I know whose parents cheated when they were younger and who stayed with the AP, they all have good relationships with not only the parent but also with the new step parent.

I think if the relationship doesn’t last that could be different, but as unpalatable as it is, often when a relationship ends where someone leaves for the AP and that relationship stands the test of time, many people will ultimately admit that that’s just how it was meant to be.

There are even MN’ers here who have said that their ex is actually much better suited to the affair partner, but that realisation takes time.

But don’t be bitter. You’re never going to get gratitude from 11/13 year olds. That’s just not how it works.

And it’s possible that they like him. It’s possible that to them the marriage was unhappy and they see their mum happier than she perhaps was before.

Ultimately the only one you need to deal with is yourself. You can feel free to feel as bitter about her as you like, but do bear in mind that life does go on, and that at some point you will need to move forward. Bitterness is like drinking poison and waiting for someone else to die. It achieves nothing.

And yes, I’d say exactly the same if it was a woman posting here.

I know too many cheated-on people who have spent so long feeling bitter that their children have automatically gravitated to the other partner and in many cases have even had empathy for how the marriage ended.

TheShellBeach · 04/04/2024 20:06

OP would you say that your marriage was unhappy before your ex had the affair?

Lovepeaceunderstanding · 04/04/2024 20:18

@iamthemanny , this happened to my brother. His wife didn’t even contact her tiny children (6&4) for a couple of years while she swanned off having her fun and left my brother literally holding the babies. She’s clearly a dreadful, selfish mother but eventually she decided she’d see her children again and every time they returned they were in a mess, it seemed obvious she was saying awful things about their father and our family.
I’m 11 years younger than my brother and I treated my niece and nephew as my own children, my parents too wrapped family love about them.
My niece and nephew reestablished a relationship with their mother which my brother encouraged. My parents (their grandparents) became very unwell and both my brother and his children withdrew and didn’t want to know. I now don’t have contact with any of them, their choice not mine.
I guess I’m trying to warn you, there are some really selfish people who aren’t beyond using their children to hurt others. All you can do is your best for your children. I’m sorry some women really appear to be vile.

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/04/2024 20:24

Some realisation that I have been their rock through this 💩 show

You can't expect that. And having unrealistic expectations makes us miserable. It takes a LONG time for children to realise who was there for them, if they ever do. And acknowledging that can hurt their opinion of their mum, and that hurts their self-image so you don't actually want that.

The only thing you can do is be dependable, safe, consistent and available.

CroftonWillow · 04/04/2024 20:25

Your expectation of your children is unreasonable. Their relationship to their mum is entirely different to yours and you'd do well to be entirely supportive to them in a very difficult time.

Gcsunnyside23 · 04/04/2024 21:54

iamthemanny · 04/04/2024 19:12

Some realisation that I have been their rock through this 💩 show

They won't see it now and I know that might feel shitty but believe me they will appreciate it in years to come. You need to hold onto the fact you are steadying them for the future and they will in time be thankful for it. Keep strong, don't slag her off even though she deserves it and try to rebuild a new happy life for yourself. Your kids will always love their mum, it's unconditional even if she ruined the family but you need to learn to separate that from the fact your love for her has gone or it'll make you very bitter and ruin your next chapter

BlurpBlorp · 04/04/2024 22:25

Hey OP, I'm in a similar situation although our family split 6 years ago. I think you can't expect them to realise you're their rock until, as PP said, they're adults. The good news is that your ex will reveal her own character in time and you need to do nothing. Your kids will one day see her for what she's like. In the meantime, take that 50% of time to get stuff going on for you; plan adventures, see friends, start hobbies/interests (dating).

My overwhelming feeling was that I didn't want to waste anymore of my precious energy on my ex including, that which I could spend on hate and bitterness. I'm just disinterested in him now and that is satisfaction enough. Looking back, divorce was one of the best things that's ever happened to me. I hope you reach a place of peace too. But don't worry about your kids, it's all about how you feel around someone. One day they'll see past all the presents and fun and realise the weirdness that accompanied them. Keep going, you rock!

Whatismypasswordthen · 04/04/2024 23:03

Ok. So there's a lot of blame. The kids will be picking up on it.

Downbythewaterfall · 05/04/2024 01:33

I'm in exactly the same situation as you but what's interesting is that you say that your kids blame you. Mine definitely don't.

I was a fun, stable, loving, positive SAHM before and I'm now a working Mum that is still all of these things despite all the horrific things my ex did to me (it was bad).

I save my bitching about their Dad for my friends. The kids only get positive Mum who wants to take them out and make nice memories.

Save your sadness and bitterness for adults (hardest thing to do but the reality is that kids won't thank you for not being happy and want to be around happy people).

Don't talk badly about her Mum in front if them ever. It's hard but they'll make their own mind up when they're older.

Sorry you're struggling. I know how you feel. Remember that the best revenge is a life well lived.

NarwhalsJustDontLetEmTouchYourBalls · 05/04/2024 07:58

And yet anecdotally of all the people I know whose parents cheated when they were younger and who stayed with the AP, they all have good relationships with not only the parent but also with the new step parent.

But that is not always the case.

I know of 3 mums who left their DC. One is my cousin. Her son now has a very serious hatred towards women, it's worrying. Her DD went on to be a teen mum. I know of another mum who left her DC when young and she now expects them to be there for her, now she is in her 80's and alone, and they are not interested in helping her. Another left her DC a couple of years ago and now the teenage DD has MH issues and an eating disorder.

There is a man I know who left his wife and DC for someone else, and the 2 eldest teens refuse to speak to him.

If either of my parents had an affair and left us, it's not just my parent, it is our family unit, I wouldn't speak to them again.

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 05/04/2024 08:05

But that's your job as a parent, you shouldn't need a pat on the back for being their stability.
Their mum hasn't run off and left them they live with her the same amount they live with you.
She left you, and who knows why. I don't condone affairs but I also have no idea as to the details of your marriage. She made a bad choice but I don't know if you made any.
Your children love both of their parents, that's healthy and you should be pleased about that.
Someone on here said bitterness/resentment is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die. If you can't let go of your anger towards her your children will pick up on it and it's you they will distance from.

Toomanysquishmallows · 05/04/2024 08:06

@NarwhalsJustDontLetEmTouchYourBalls , I agree, my ex had an affair when dd1 was 3 months old . Contact was sporadic, then he stopped seeing her when she was 5 . She is 25 now , how on earth am I supposed to pretend that him and ow are great people? There has been no contact for 20 years!

Constantdistractions · 05/04/2024 08:14

Your posts are very me me me. Why don't my kids feel how I expect them to feel, I played no part in the breakdown of my marriage ect ect. You need to take some responsibility for your own life and consider the feelings of those around you. When you care about and appreciate others, they are more likely to do the same for you.

YourNimblePeachTraybake · 05/04/2024 08:17

When they're with her, they might be saying how wonderful you are.

Flopsythebunny · 05/04/2024 08:25

iamthemanny · 04/04/2024 19:12

Some realisation that I have been their rock through this 💩 show

They are far too young for that.
You have been their father through all this which is what you should have been. Just carry on doing what you're doing, don't ever disrespect their mother in front of them and in years to come they'll work out what happened.
Whatever she's done to you, the kids love her

iamthemanny · 05/04/2024 08:31

Constantdistractions · 05/04/2024 08:14

Your posts are very me me me. Why don't my kids feel how I expect them to feel, I played no part in the breakdown of my marriage ect ect. You need to take some responsibility for your own life and consider the feelings of those around you. When you care about and appreciate others, they are more likely to do the same for you.

Wow, great advice, not !! Let’s hope you never face betrayal.

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iamthemanny · 05/04/2024 08:33

Gcsunnyside23 · 04/04/2024 21:54

They won't see it now and I know that might feel shitty but believe me they will appreciate it in years to come. You need to hold onto the fact you are steadying them for the future and they will in time be thankful for it. Keep strong, don't slag her off even though she deserves it and try to rebuild a new happy life for yourself. Your kids will always love their mum, it's unconditional even if she ruined the family but you need to learn to separate that from the fact your love for her has gone or it'll make you very bitter and ruin your next chapter

Thank you, very helpful 👍

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iamthemanny · 05/04/2024 08:36

CroftonWillow · 04/04/2024 20:25

Your expectation of your children is unreasonable. Their relationship to their mum is entirely different to yours and you'd do well to be entirely supportive to them in a very difficult time.

The compassion is overwhelming. I know the academic text book answer. You try implementing it.

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iamthemanny · 05/04/2024 08:38

Whatismypasswordthen · 04/04/2024 23:03

Ok. So there's a lot of blame. The kids will be picking up on it.

Yes, they are stuck in the middle. The games she plays are vile, one reason I struggle so much.

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DontBeAMeany · 05/04/2024 08:40

Constantdistractions · 05/04/2024 08:14

Your posts are very me me me. Why don't my kids feel how I expect them to feel, I played no part in the breakdown of my marriage ect ect. You need to take some responsibility for your own life and consider the feelings of those around you. When you care about and appreciate others, they are more likely to do the same for you.

What a ridiculous and snide post. The OP is asking for advice. Of course the thread is about him!
OP you want get much help on Mumsnet due to you being male I'm afraid.

I think that kids that age can be thoughtless and selfish even if they are good kids. My Dad was a bad person but a fun and loving Dad. He had multiple affairs and was generally a selfish git but I loved seeing him. We had a great time. As an adult I understood the situation a lot better. I was still close to him but I was more aware.
My Mum did the right thing by not slating him when we were kids even though she must have felt like it.

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