Trans girls not allowed to go to girls secondary schools, have I got that right?

[Sendhelpsoon]

Just checking as daughter is navigating this now and I’m sure many have been here before us.

@Paigeycakey You sound very agitated, 00100001 sounds calm and straight forward, so you are the one who needs to calm down.

Intersex is irrelevant here. It is less than 1 percent and even then a simple finger prick blood test will either confirm if you're male or female, regardless of the genitals. So it is completely irrelevant to the trans topic.

When there is so much accurate information available at our fingertips why do some still believe this rubbish.....born with a penis and vagina 🤣🤣

@Paigeycakey

i don’t know what ailed you’re ‘colleague’ , but what you are describing is a physical impossibility, the plumbing would just be literally inhuman. They either suffered from a clitoral abnormality or had some sort of prosthesis. I think the most likely supposition though is that your workplace has some quite unpleasant gossip.

People with the VSD colloquially
known as ‘true hermaphroditism’ do not have two sets of genitals. Please don’t spread salacious rumours about a type of extremely uncommon birth defect.
rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/ovotesticular-disorder-of-sex-development/

(if an adult colleague is telling you they have two sets of genitals they are likely a fantasist or they have had a surgery known as ‘phallus preserving vaginoplasty’ probably best not to Google that).

I’m sorry Sendhelpsoon of course your 9 year old isn’t a rapist.

However, it is important that systems exist that minimise the likelihood of that kind of accusation in future (eg your child using separate third spaces to change, if the single sex spaces for males aren’t suitable).

I can totally understand the impulse to send a sparkly, sensitive, feminine gender-y kid to a girls school (hoping it will be safer as no rough boys) but I don’t think it would be safer when you look at the whole picture, eg safer from ostracisation/safer for mental health for both your child and their classmates (who may find it extremely upsetting to have their dignity, privacy and single sex sports compromised) and the problems that could arise if other parents object (parents selecting a single sex school are expecting it to be single sex, so girls who become transboys after admission can stay, but they have to be female to be admitted).

Best of luck, I’m sure it must be very worrying, but hopefully your DC will be able to move up to secondary with existing friends from primary.

Since your barking away..there's people who are born with BOTH Penis and Vagina. I discovered this about a colleague so unless you know FACTUALLY all the ins and outs. You should perhaps humble yourself

Discovered it did you? 👀

A transexual 9 year old?!

The entitlement of thinking that girls should have to share their facilities with a confused male child is just ridiculous.

It's a massive safeguarding issue on many levels. The posters getting themselves worked up by squealing "twansphobia!!!" need to get a grip.

Most children will detransition if left alone, and not pushed into gender stereotypes and not constantly affirmed by questionable lobby groups like Stonewall and Mermaids and over anxious parents projecting on to the child.

Why can't sensitive boys just be allowed to be boys anymore? At least in a mixed school children can change their mind given that no child is capable of understanding the decisions they make at the age of nine based on clothing and toys.

You don’t know my child and you don’t know how I parent them. Mind your bees

Single sex schools are separated by sex, not gender. As your child is male by birth, the best option for them is to go to a mixed school. One benefit of this, because they are still very young, is that if they change their mind about dressing as a girl, they're not boxed into to the decisions that have been made for them now, and they will be in an environment where they will be able to identify as their birth sex, if they decide to.

This

And this is why I won’t ever send my kids to guides.

Well I would explain to your child that they can't go to a girls school because it's a single sex provision. And whilst they would like to be a girl and they identify their gender as such, as a born male it's not possible to for them to access female single sex services. It's better to be honest with your child.

No, because biologically they are still girls (and always will be)

It's absolutely my business if you are abusing your son by telling him or encouraging him to think his body is wrong and a mistake.

There's nothing wrong with being a boy who has feminine interests. Maybe he'll grow up to be gay. It's fine. Let him be.

You are at risk of pushing him into a life of horror, pain, infertility and medical abuse. That's everyone's business.

Is your child a boy? And you thought you could send them to a pin all girls school?

There may be exceptions but girls' schools usually operate as single-sex schools in accordance with the Equalities Act. So a transboy (physically female) could attend a girls' school but not a transgirl (physically male). And vice versa - when you say "daughter" I'm not sure which way round you mean.

Having said that, I don't know what will happen in future if the age of issuing a GRC is lowered to 16, which it may be in Scotland. Probably whatever happens will be a huge mess at first and sixth forms may have a problem even in England if a Scottish youngster attends an English private school.

I wish you and your DC the best of luck OP, this can't be an easy situation to deal with as a parent.

Explain that schools can be single sex if they want

And he can't change sex

So he can't go to a girls school

If he is struggling and causing you grief

He is a human
Even if he truly believed he was a bird he wouldn't be a bird and if he leapt off a roof it would kill him because and a non bird identifying as a bird does not enable him to fly

You can't be anything you want . This is life

You don’t know my child and you don’t know how I parent them. Mind your bees

Fortunately, we live on a country where the safeguarding of children is the responsibility of more than just the parents.

And, I think it's a really good thing for parents of children who are finding things difficult to hear opinions from both sides.

That’s the message that lobby groups are putting out - they’re deliberately muddling the law. We need to blame those lobby groups, not the individuals who get muddled.

If it’s legal to put a male paedo in a female prison, it’s not a completely batshit response to assume it must also be legal for a male child to attend a female school. Which is why the government need to clarify.

(and it sound like it’s OP’s kid that has picked up the lobby group message, not OP)

Wind your neck in. Is that what you have to add? Bore off

Of course some single-sex schools do run mixed-sex sixth forms, and that may be a way round the problem of school-age GRCs.

Or alternatively there may be a recognition that a GRC doesn't change anyone's sex and then a legal decision that a child having a GRC or not isn't relevant for sex-based provision and safeguarding (etc) in schools. Though given the intense privacy around GRCs that decision might not be possible for schools in practice and the end result might have to be all mixed-sex sixth forms.

But either way - that doesn't really help you now OP.

DD's girls comprehensive has allowed existing pupils to identify as boys. But I'm not aware of any biological boys joining because they identify a girl.
The line is blurred at 6th form at they share some classes with the local boys school, for subjects they couldn't fill alone.
I think it would be a minefield for these schools as many parents choose them specifically for the single sex environment for religious reasons ... but I guess at some point, someone will test it.

There is plenty to add, you are spreading dangerous misinformation whilst simultaneously accusing people with perfectly rational points of view to 'calm down'. The classic line of someone who is unable to take on board the opinions of others. If anyone has poor debating skills here it is you.

Telling a forum of educated and professional people that people can be born with a penis and a vagina is preposterous.

There is a conspiracy thread in active, you could put it on there.

Again, you don’t know how I parent my child.
Mind your business. Have you nothing better to do with your life than to Invent what I must be saying or doing to my child and make false accusations of abuse.
Please do tell me where any of those things have been said? You are inventing and perpetuating your own figments of imagination.