Trans girls not allowed to go to girls secondary schools, have I got that right?

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Just checking as daughter is navigating this now and I’m sure many have been here before us.

@simonwiseman

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Speaking in terms of the state sector (non-selective) single-sex school my DDs attend, admissions are determined by sex at birth and this is a very firm criterion. However, they are supportive where students who were determined female at birth choose to identify as male.

Mumsnet is a very transphobic place. You better off contacting the school to find out.

Oh do piss off. Mumsnet full of really concerned mothers who somehow can see through the lies and gaslighting. And want to protect children.

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/transgender-single-sex-schools-pupils-parents-gender-equality-a9217991.html

Depends on the school check there policy closely

I think it's a grey area. Do private schools really hold a policy on this? I suspect its difficult for the school and they would have to tread carefully otherwise you could imagine a huge headline story .... and the rep of the private school maybe tarnished.

Interesting though I would like to know the outcome OP.

Girls in mixed sexes schools deserve single sex activities like sports etc too. I would check with school itself and not kick up a fuss if sone activities in a mixed sex school are single sex and start preparing my child for that situation now. Also be open about it rather than hope nobody notices. That’s my advice.

Its because they're female.

Whether they call themselves girls, women, lads, boys, helicopters or hedgehogs is irrelevant.

Independent single sex schools won't allow opposite sex children in

Why would they?

Why would they change the business model to suit one child? Why would they risk alienating their base customer?

They would have to go mixed sex, and then that comes with significant business changes and cost.

I'm struggling to understand the question tbh. It can't be considered a 'girl's school' if it admits biological males. Clearly then it would be mixed sex. This would rather tie the child into a 'gender identity' they stated at a very young age which is an awful idea given how many people become more comfortable with biological reality as they mature. I feel for the OP's male (I am not using that word in the identity sense) child who has a large group of female friends and will likely not be able to go to the same school as them. However, a girls only school could not admit a male child.

You better off contacting the school to find out.
Whilst this is true, the OP says that they have no intention of sending their child to a single sex school.

@NoYouSirName Wanting female spaces is not 'transphobic', you however sound femphobic and ignorant.

It's not.

Yes though do contact the school OP. Do also bear in mind that a percentage of parents would withdraw their children if the school admitted males. It might be that if the school did allow your child to go there, that his friend's parents would then choose a different school so this may not allow your child what they hope for.

Friends’ kids go to a local all girls school (state) and a few girls there are now identifying as boys. I’m not sure what this means in terms of them staying there though - shouldn’t they move to a mixed school or all boys school?

I think the OP has clarified that they agree a mixed sex school is better, and asked the question as they wanted a clear reason to explain to their DC that they can't go to the girls' school.

Best of luck OP.

Accept that you have a non-gender conforming son and let him know it's fine to have whatever interests he likes.

Yes, this is what I don't understand about it all. Your primary school aged child says

'mammy, it's dolls and pink I like, not trucks and beige clothes. I'm a girl'

Why don't people say 'it's OK, you can like whatever you like and wear what you like and play with what you like and have the friends you want, it's 2022. But you are a boy'

I just don't get it, that's what we've been saying for decades. Now we are telling them if they want to wear glitter eyeshadow and not climb trees then they are a girl.

We've spent decades fighting these stereotypes. Why are some people now embracing them with such vigour.

And what would you say when you contacted the school to ask if your child could go? Not you specifically OP as you've said you don't want your child in a single sex school. But what do people say?

'I've got a child who is a biological boy and he's nine but he thinks he's a girl so can he come here instead of St Luke's'

Probably best to send her to mix school. That is what I would do.

Ermmmm calm down. This is a discussion here I never claimed to know infact I stated I was interested however I think it's a grey area because it's a sensitive issue and uncommon in private schools that's all.

Since your barking away..there's people who are born with BOTH Penis and Vagina. I discovered this about a colleague so unless you know FACTUALLY all the ins and outs. You should perhaps humble yourself.

No. Nobody is born with both a penis and a vagina.

No, it's a single sex school for female children, which is still exactly what they are. It would be appalling to kick them out.

Schools seem to be getting this right still - perhaps because while there is a firm legal basis under the Equalities Act for single sex schools, there is none whatsoever for 'single gender' - whatever that might mean, obviously not a lot when kids are also identifying as 'nonbinary'.

(What's astonishing is that orgs like the Girl Guides went down the route of accepting male children and displacing gender nonconforming female children. No idea how that's legal.)

But even girls at mixed sex schools should have single-sex places such as toilets and changing rooms... where would a trans child change for instance? Not with their biological sex peers presumably, and definitely not with their "chosen" gender peers?

why would they not go with people of their own sex for things split by sex?

Sex isn't gender

Is it a distress problem ? They fail to understand the difference between sex and gender Then that's an education question or a mental health issue that needs treatment

Is it a bullying problem -People don't accept them as they are ?

A temporary fix is private space but that reinforces them as different which won't help if the problem is bullying

I know of several girls who went to the boys private grammar over the years - the girls private grammar didn't offer triple science! My kids were coed far better

Not really. These children are still biologically female , however they choose to identify on any particular day/ week/ year. They will continue to be biologically female until they leave school , because no one would to try to interfere with a child’s body with untested hormone treatments or surgical,procedures, would they?