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Are there any legal steps I can take

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112233aa · 27/04/2023 19:29

Another neighbour one so please bare with me.

Background: I have 3DC, one of which has a disabled badge and has various hidden disabilities. Outside my house is 2 public spaces, due to having no drive one of which we've parked in since we moved in (the same one every time if t matters) they have parked in the other one.

If anyone parks in 'their' space the husband gets shitty with you. for example he's purposely parked in a way that someone hasn't been able to even get in their car to move it, becomes verbally aggressive and he's even parked outside someones house blocking their drive as they've parked their car in 'his' space.

The local council have been out and put markers out for a disabled bay outside of our property. Ever since this he's been making life difficult for us. Parking in ways that DC couldn't get in the car without difficulties, staring at us continuously when we leave the house, coming out of the house whenever we are to just stare.

It all came to a blow the other week when as I got home he started shouting and swearing at us. "we were all frauds, scroungers, scum, not really disabled"etc and he was "going to report us". Later that night I was moving my car he came barrelling out of his house and started shouting at me. Telling me to move my car and he wants to swap spaces. I said no and he repeatedly carried on, shouting and pointing before going to get his keys and coming back out.

I tried to go in and he continued stood in-between my car and my house, being generally verbally abusive and vile and his wife came out to watch from the doorstep. All we kind of got from his verbal attack was he didn't want a blue badge space there and as DC could walk he wasn't "actually disabled" and they know "for a fact the only reason he has blue badge was because I told them what to say, which obviously isn't possible or true. His wife chimed in with some other stuff about how she "knew" things about DC and his needs and how she can report him as he can walk. (she works for the NHS and could look him up if she wanted). I went inside as she was screaming obscenities and just some unpleasant stuff about my DC.

I reported this incident to the police but due to staffing issues they wouldn't investigate further despite video footage. Since then they've continued to try and intimidate and harass us. Whenever we leave the house he leaves his house this is caught on our camera. Whenever someone comes to visit they take photos of them or stare out the window of them recording them making them uncomfortable.

Today I received an email saying a complaint has been made against my DC and his blue badge. It listed various false allegations that they have said to us they were going to make and others that wouldn't even be possible. They also stated that they have taken photos and videos of my DC outside our home. God knows how many they have of us doing things.

Obviously I explained everything to them and they were very sympathetic but this is becoming unbearable. My children can no longer go outside our property due to them taking photos of them and people no longer want to come round due to them. I've also logged this with the police. I suffer from anxiety and I now don't feel comfortable leaving my home.

Is there any steps I can take?

OP posts:
BetterFuture1985 · 01/06/2023 23:32

112233aa · 01/06/2023 20:48

Update

They came out today to re-paint DC space and obviously he has left his van in it and swanned off. When this had originally started I had spoken with the council who issue the blue badge space and explained he'd make it difficult/parks there etc and gave them all his details. Due to this they went straight to NDN house and told her to move it, which she begrudgingly did.

This has in turn set her off as she was adamant her complaint had 'worked' and DC wouldn't be getting a bay or keeping his blue badge. Ever since they've thrown eggs over into our garden trying to hit our washing, half eaten ice creams etc. You can tell from the way they hit the floor and everything they're over what way they've come from.

I of course have tried to chase this with PO dealing with it but have had no response/call back. He's likely to say as there is no CCTV in my back garden (no need for them till now as it's completely enclosed with no access except through the house) there's no proof so I've had to go out and by more CCTV cameras.

My children have been prevented from going out the front to play and now apparently can't even enjoy their own toys in their back garden.

Okay, if the police are going to do nothing about it then I think you need to start wearing a body cam to gather evidence. Also take photographs of their vehicle in the disabled space. The purpose of this evidence will not be for a criminal prosecution but to begin civil actions for trespass to land (throwing eggs in your garden) and nuisance (I think it's a public nuisance, parking in a disabled bay). Your aim will be to get injunctions for both.

Once there is an injunction, breaching it will be contempt of court, a criminal offence that you probably won't need to involve the police in to enforce. You can just take the sorry fuckers back to court to be dealt with.

112233aa · 04/06/2023 13:18

Update

The police have just left. Basically confirmed it's all a waste of time. They're going to "talk to him about how he should behave" they don't think this is criminal harassment I just feel harassed.

him walking up my drive is civil trespass at most and not a serious criminal matter. He's allowed to take photos of my children in the street and him make false reports to the council/SS as I've no proof it's malicious and it's within his rights apparently.

The fact my children are scared to go outside their home is neither here nor there and isn't harassment.

Basically he isn't going to do anything except talk to him and tell him to be nice, he isn't doing anything about the wife and he's now not issuing a community resolution as he doesn't think it meets the threshold.

He said I could get a non-molestation order but it's unlikely as they're my
Neighbour's.

OP posts:
TizerorFizz · 04/06/2023 14:03

@112233aa Taking photos is not illegal. Walking up your drive isn’t either. However taking all the incidents together, it looks like harassment to me. The Police are largely lazy about incidents like this. Look at the attached web page for a definition of harassment. I’m assuming you cannot afford a solicitor? What about CAB? If you can find an organisation to support you that understands harassment against women, I would contact them. Maybe the organisation I found?

Are there any legal steps I can take
Premiumbondbaby · 04/06/2023 14:03

@112233aa sadly you just need to keep reporting incidents with CCTV where it exists. Eventually the log gets so long they have to make it more formal.

Realist2022 · 04/06/2023 15:07

I don't know where you are OP but it may be worth contacting your MP.

Not sure if you saw it but there are similarities with Stella Creasey

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65436690.amp

Sounds awful though, sorry this is happening.

endofthelinefinally · 04/06/2023 18:27

Have you heard anything back from the Caldicott Guardian? If not, email them tomorrow. The IT audit should have been done by now.
IMO your neighbours are committing a hate crime due to your child's disability. People have been arrested for far less under the hate crime umbrella.
Go and see your MP if you haven't already.

112233aa · 06/06/2023 14:47

endofthelinefinally · 04/06/2023 18:27

Have you heard anything back from the Caldicott Guardian? If not, email them tomorrow. The IT audit should have been done by now.
IMO your neighbours are committing a hate crime due to your child's disability. People have been arrested for far less under the hate crime umbrella.
Go and see your MP if you haven't already.

No I haven't, I have chased this multiple times and heard nothing yet.

I agree. They should be doing more they should be putting a stop to this yet they're failing my family and I

OP posts:
gigihh · 13/07/2023 06:53

Update

There has been more incidents since my last post. They blocked my DN car in knowing their young DC is very ill and needs frequent hospital care. DN asked them to move and he laughed in her face. The next day his wife was screaming out her window at DN husband and young DC.

They were screaming insults at DN for over 10 minutes accused her of using her sick DC for money and as an excuse, called her a dwarf etc. told her if anyone parked in his spot he’d block her drive, obviously this was reported to the police and lucky I captured the whole thing on cctv showing she started it.

He’s taken to going out of his way to staring at us/my children in the street and his wife even tried to to scare and intimidate my dc when he came home from the shop,

The police showed up at the weekend and tried to have a chat with them but he refused because he didn’t want to be recorded. When the police were stood at my door talking to me he came out and started recording the police officer and told him he’d record him whenever he came in the street.

They’ve confirmed they’re both going to have to go to the station as he refused to talk. He then knocked on my door and hour later and started recording the police again saying he might not be available on x day to talk, it’s all one sided and he’s the one being harassed, it’s not fair etc. he then started banging on the walls and blasting his music all night. We were quite lucky he showed the police exactly what he is like.

Now whenever we go out they go out, for example she was going out yesterday got in the car and was reversing, I got home as she was leaving and she stopped sat on her drive with her door open ease-dropping into my conversation with a customer staring. He took his dog for a walk wasn’t even a minute up the road when I drove past him and by the time I’m unloading DC from the car he’s behind me.

they stand at their window staring at us and recording us whenever we leave. My kids are petrified to leave the house.

RandomMess · 13/07/2023 07:04

Have you received a response from the guardian yet? Are the police now accepting it's a hate crime?

gigihh · 13/07/2023 09:03

RandomMess · 13/07/2023 07:04

Have you received a response from the guardian yet? Are the police now accepting it's a hate crime?

No response from the guardian I chased it and was told I may not get one as it’s internal? I’ve also complained to PALS and got no response either.

I believe they’re filing it under harassment

HatchetJob · 13/07/2023 10:02

Are you ringing 111 every time they do something so it’s recorded. I’m glad the police are showing some interest at last.

gigihh · 13/07/2023 10:03

HatchetJob · 13/07/2023 10:02

Are you ringing 111 every time they do something so it’s recorded. I’m glad the police are showing some interest at last.

We’re reporting via online but some of if like them sitting in the car etc I don’t know what it comes under

HatchetJob · 13/07/2023 10:28

Are you making records yourself as well, time and date and description. It’s so hard.
hopefully someone will come along with more experienced advice.

RandomMess · 13/07/2023 11:04

Sitting in the car - harassment and/or intimidation

gigihh · 13/07/2023 11:22

HatchetJob · 13/07/2023 10:28

Are you making records yourself as well, time and date and description. It’s so hard.
hopefully someone will come along with more experienced advice.

Yeah I’m keeping a log of everything with most things I capture on my CCTV as it overlooks my property.

They’ve now gone and put up a ring doorbell but have no signage to say they’re recording and after taking pictures of my dc through Their window I’m concerned they’re capturing my property/kids

Cirice · 13/07/2023 12:58

You need a go pro or similar. Wear it everywhere outside of the house. Play them at their own game.

112233aa · 18/09/2023 10:01

Update

So since my last post the police have been useless and have done next to nothing. I sent off all the video footage they requested including the one where the neighbour comes out and starts recording the officer and he asks to come in.

He's continued to come out and stare at us, staring at us through the window etc it's like being in big brother. When my neighbour has had visitors he's purposely parked his van blocking our driveway and the person's opposite.

The police haven't spoken to him but instead spoke with his wife, who wasn't even present or aware of half the incidents he's done and outright lied. She's stated he works away a lot and they've accepted her excuses for him, she stated she "sarcastically" asked if my DC was home alone as she was "concerned", they stated he didn't swear at my child in the window he swore at my ring doorbell, they also stated they've seen messages where I state it's my parking spot and as they've made reports about me it won't be going anywhere.

I obviously complained right away and expressed how unhappy I am with how this has been handled and lack of action, highlighted the many inconsistencies in their story to which they said they'd tell the officer handling the case but he can assure me he has spoken to the about their behaviour.

This has led to them now escalating, my DC and I were cleaning our front garden last week and he came up behind us shouting "what the Fuck do you think you're doing you fucking cunts" when I Said "excuse you" he said we were all "fucking tramps" before going inside. This obviously left my DC shaken and I reported it to the police who are "still looking into it" the next day I was painting my front door, stood in my hallway and he started again shouting "your kids are fucking rats" "you're a fucking scrounger, all you do is take, take, take! you're teaching your kids to be fucking scroungers" "I know your kids sit around all day playing the fucking xbox" then he finished it off with "you need to get out the fucking country" to which when I said I was born here he said " I didn't fucking say that I said you take from the country" "You lot keep harassing the police, they're not going to doing anything"

When we went out later that day, he came out under the rouse of putting something in his van and you can see him clear as day on my CCTV just staring at us continuously until we drive off and can't be seen. The following day his wife was stood in the window staring at us through her blinds.

I again raised a complaint with the police who promised to call me back to which they have not done, my neighbours are scared for our welfare and tbh I don't blame them. I can't even stand in my own doorway without being abused by this maniac. My anxiety is at an all time high and I along with my children are scared to leave the house incase he's there. The police are adamant this isn't harassment, nor a criminal matter. I am at a loss as what to do

OP posts:
112233aa · 18/09/2023 10:08

Regarding the hospital complaint about the wife, they told me they couldn't do anything until the police had resolved their complaint. They obviously know I made one as he was shouting "you tried to get my wife fired" however they appear to have done nothing. Same with the Navy, as far as I aware the police never made that referral down to them and they weren't interested when I tried to make a complaint

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Juliedenton · 03/05/2025 16:21

I am having the same problems with my neighbour in las13. He has double drive and I haven't. He keeps shouting he going to have my disability badge taken and I'm not getting a disabled bay cos he will make sure.. probably empty threats but I'm actually very unwell with degenerative spinal disease 5 strokes and cervascular brain disease plus shrogjens syndrome.. I need to know where I can go to report him as the police said he's just throwing out empty accusations but he shouts it whilst on street for others to hear

endofthelinefinally · 07/05/2025 08:57

Juliedenton · 03/05/2025 16:21

I am having the same problems with my neighbour in las13. He has double drive and I haven't. He keeps shouting he going to have my disability badge taken and I'm not getting a disabled bay cos he will make sure.. probably empty threats but I'm actually very unwell with degenerative spinal disease 5 strokes and cervascular brain disease plus shrogjens syndrome.. I need to know where I can go to report him as the police said he's just throwing out empty accusations but he shouts it whilst on street for others to hear

You need to start your own thread as this is an old one from a different OP. You will get better support and advice on your own thread. I am very sorry for your situation.

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