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Pregnant after having child removed at birth

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Hannah1x · 17/11/2017 09:09

Hi all, I'm desperate for some advice and would appreciate feedback from anybody who works in social work, has experience in law or has had personal experience with dealing with social services in subsequent pregnancies after having a child removed.

Im 24 yrs old. When I was 18 I was in an abusive relationship with a man who had an extensive criminal past of DV. He was known to social services due to his first born child being taken from him and an ex at approx 1 years old and the child was subsequently adopted.

I was young, naive and didn't know all the facts - he hadn't yet hurt me by the time I fell pregnant and I underestimated the risk he posed to me. I had no family in the area and was very isolated.

When I fell pregnant he became abusive, emotionally and verbally. I confided in a midwife at my first antenatal appointment with my concerns about his past and how he was acting with me now and i was referred to social services. They were involved with me from being 13 weeks pregnant, visiting the home and asking me to attend sure start centre classes which I did.

When I began to worry about removal I asked my SW whether I could move to another city closer to my family to help my case away from the father and I was specifically told not to because it would 'disrupt' the assessment process.

I found my sw to be very unhelpful and at 36 weeks pregnant they told me would go to court and remove my baby at birth without offering any alternative intervention despite me doing everything they'd asked. Prior to the PLO meeting which I was prevented from attending (my then solicitor was not acting in my favour) I again asked if they would support me leaving the town with my baby and I was told no, stay, no final decisions had not been made yet.

I don't feel as though I was given any support or encouragement to leave this man throughout my assessments and I accept I could have upped and left but I was young vulnerable isolated and very much under his control.

When baby was born at 38 weeks it was a Saturday, out of hours social services arrived at the hospital and told me they'd apply to court on Monday to remove my son. Foolishly, out of panic, I left the hospital with my son and took him home against their instructions. They told the hospital to call the police who came and got us, returning us to the ward where we had to stay until the social worker came to remove him on the Monday.

I didn't attend court as my solicitor said I was too emotional and it was best she go on my behalf. She said it would look better if I didn't oppose the order as it showed me accepting there was risk. I trusted her and agreed for her to go and speak on my behalf, again, and tell the court I don't oppose the interim care order being made temporarily. She didn't make me aware of any other options such as mother and baby units or mother and baby foster placements.

Order was granted on the grounds of my son being "at risk of emotional harm" and he was then taken from the hospital.

Back at home the physical abuse started where he would attack me and shortly after so did the sexual abuse. My ex coerced me into prostitution, which I am painfully ashamed to admit. I was in my own admission smoking cannabis as I struggled to cope with what was happening.

Social services had included in their mitigation that I had mental health problems which isn't the case, I've never been known to mental health services although I did have a very short period where I felt low, aged 16, where I was on antidepressants following the death of my grandparents.

While this was going on I continued to fight for my son in court, I sacked my solicitor who wasn't helping me whatsoever and began to represent myself for a period before I hired another. In my admissions I put my side across and the magistrates ruled that social services had not supported me properly prior to removal and they believed I should be given a chance to show I can look after my son. They ordered a mother and baby unit be found and me and my son taken there to be assessed properly, They wanted this done within a matter of weeks. I left the court feeling positive but scared as I knew babies dad would do something to sabotage this process and there was no orders put in place to stop him coming to my house (he had moved out and in with his mother by this point - at my request - albeit unwillingly)

Babies father didn't want this to happen as it would mean him losing control of me and me being away from him, so in the following week after the magistrates ordering social services to source a placement - he made my life hell. There was police logs from him attending my home and he sent to the social workers and court multiple indecent photographs of me telling them I'm a prostitute and unfit to be a mother.

Social services used this new information to appeal against the magistrates ruling and 'stay' the process of reuniting me with my baby in a mother and baby placement. My case was then transferred to another court in a nearby town as a result and as my son was over 6 months old by this point they wanted to conclude the case, they wanted adoption.

In one final bid to prevent the adoption I gave up my home and fled to a women's refuge where he later found me (it was a very small town and I believe somebody told him). He continued to make my life hell and I confided in the social worker about the extent of the abuse, begged them for support and was given none. My son's case concluded as adoption shortly after and there was nothing more I could do.

My ex continued to trouble me for several years. I had pressed charges for a number of assaults throughout the years, and also two counts of rape, he went on the run but unfortunately there was insufficient evidence and the CPS dropped the charges. Throughout everything I only ever managed to have him convicted of a public order offence due to a neighbour seeing him chase me down the street on an occasion shouting threats.

By the time I was 22 i was still getting grief from him and i finally found the strength to leave town. I moved to a city where my few family members were and began to rebuild my life. I was no longer smoking cannabis and suffice to say the prostitution was a thing of the past, that was only ever a factor when he was in my life- it's not something I enjoyed doing or wanted to do of my own accord.

I moved in with a relative, got a full time job and built up a good relationship with my son's adopters via our letterbox contact. I was happier and healthier than I had been in years. I missed my son painfully but accepted that adoption was the best thing for him at the time, it took me a long time to accept that.

At 23 Whilst working I met an amazing man who was a colleague, he was accepting of my past and very supportive - he had fathered two children himself and although separated from their mother he was an exemplary example of a father. You couldn't fault him. We fell pregnant but sadly lost the baby early on. Much to our delight we conceived again shortly after (this baby was very much wanted)

There was no doubt in my mind we could parent the baby well, I had a good support network around me now and he is a great man. He has no criminal record, a decent sturdy job and most importantly he is a kind man. I had turned my life around completely

I began to become frightened. Due to my past experiences with my old social workers I developed an irrational fear that our baby would be taken, so at my first antenatal appointment when the midwife asked if I had any previous social services involvement I told her no - I can't believe how stupid I was but I can't stress enough how scared I was. The fact i had miscarried not too long ago contributed to my decision, I wanted a stress free pregnancy and didn't feel as though I was ready to deal with social workers again after having such bad experiences with them before. I told them I had an older child just not that he had been adopted.

No referral was made and my pregnancy progressed well. Me and my partner saved up for a lovely little flat, a perfect place to bring our baby home to, and began preparing for his arrival.

As my due date approaches (I'm almost 31 weeks) I've been getting increasingly scared about giving birth and social services turning up to the hospital when I have our baby. My partner has never dealt with these authorities and believes they won't, but I'm frightened that something will come up on my file that will trigger them to come and remove him straight away as I've not been assessed since losing my son.

I accept that I will have to deal with social services at some point as I can't hide the past forever but naively I believed I could conceal it long enough to bring him home and evidence that I, that we, can be a loving and adequate family.

Can anybody tell me where I stand? Please no judgement. I'm already being very hard on myself losing sleep. I've contemplated referring myself to social services this week but am absolutely petrified of doing that. I'm equally as scared of them turning up at the hospital. Will this be the case despite me being in a different city hundreds of miles away?

The ex is very much out of my life and non existent these days. There's no police involvement or multi agency involvement for anything at all.

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Domani · 14/12/2017 00:11

Lots of luck and best wishes for your appointment Hannah (and your dp). I'll be thinking of you. Flowers

meandthem · 14/12/2017 02:46

Hi Hannah, Just posting to wish you all the best for later today. Try and be positive and remember how much your situation has changed in the last four years and how you have turned your life around pretty much with no support. You are in such a different place I am confident the social worker will see that you have the capacity to love and protect this baby, but will also realise that you are going to be (understandably) terrified after your awful experience last time. In referring yourself you have already demonstrated that you have put the needs of your child above all else and I hope this will speak volumes about your amazing strength of character. Stay strong and calm - wishing all the best for you!

MotherofaSurvivor · 14/12/2017 03:19

Good luck.

Personally I wouldn't let on to the SW that you're keeping anything from your current partner as that gives a hint of dishonesty and the impression that you're not an open & honest 'unit' and don't share everything as part of a healthy relationship. Just my take on it x Hope it goes well anyway x

IggyAce · 14/12/2017 04:51

Good luck today.

Scarydinosaurs · 14/12/2017 06:24

Good luck today 💐💐💐

OurMiracle1106 · 14/12/2017 08:00

Good luck today Hannah. I will be thinking of you. Flowers
And Cake for after

Hannah1x · 14/12/2017 11:26

Good morning everybody, how lovely to come on here to a bunch of well wishes.. much appreciated Smile

Im feeling OK at the moment, not too nervous.

I've taken on board what you've said MotherOfASurvivor. I do agree with you and don't want SS to think I'm not being transparent with my partner.

That being said though.. I hope they don't think I'm unreasonable for wanting to discuss certain aspects alone. In order to put across my best side I need to feel comfortable and I don't want my embarrassment to over cloud what needs to be a frank and thorough first meeting with the social worker. I'm going to arrive at 4pm and tell them my partner is on his way, he's going to arrive around 20 mins later - giving me chance to speak to her first x

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ByeByePrivacy · 14/12/2017 11:45

I think it is completely acceptable to say that your partner knows everything, but you didn’t go into the finer details as that is your last life but your healthy new one.

You will come across as well to them as you have to us. Lots of love sent for later

AlbusPercival · 14/12/2017 11:56

Just wanted to wish you all the best for this afternoon

DeadButDelicious · 14/12/2017 12:10

I've been quietly watching this thread and wanted to de lurk to say I think you are exceptionally brave. Good luck to you today. Thanks

ItsNachoCheese · 14/12/2017 12:28

Good luck today Flowers

FATEdestiny · 14/12/2017 12:53

I hope everything goes OK.

PringlesSmoothie · 14/12/2017 13:33

Good luck

Ivehadtonamechangeforthis · 14/12/2017 16:44

Another one wishing you luck for today Hannah. x

Hannah1x · 14/12/2017 18:31

Hello all. Just had our appointment and it went really well in my opinion. She seemed really professional, decent and I felt totally at ease with her much to my surprise

She hasn't got the historical files yet, as she's only just been allocated to us, I had to sign a consent form to give my permission for her to access said files as atm given how I've referred myself the assessment is classed as voluntary and not CP just yet so she needs permission to look into anything historical. My partner also signed a consent disclosure allowing her to make checks into his children's history etc.

She asked me to start from the beginning and explain why my first son wasn't with me, what social services did to help me and the concerns they had.

I told her absolutely everything except the sex work (I said there was some delicate things I wanted to discuss alone and she said that's fine as she will see me and my partner separately on a number of occasions before babies born)

She was shocked by the level of support I received, and wanted to reassure me that they "do everything very differently down here"

I said to her that the lifestyle and abuse I was subject to did make me incapable of safeguarding my son back then and I accept that he was at risk - to which she replied "yes but who's to say that would have been the case if they had supported you and moved you away half way across the country"

I was really taken aback. It was as though she was criticising my treatment from the last LA without me even needing to. (I tried to steer away from blaming my last social workers incase she thought I was somewhat indenial)

In denial is something she felt I was not, even saying how it's clear from how I come across that I've now got a high level of understanding about domestic abuse which is good.

She's coming to see me at home on wednesday, and asked I look through all my old case files and give her anything relevent to the court case that will help her do the assessment thoroughly whilst she waits for the old LA to send my files. She did say that may take a few weeks, so she will do as much as she can in the mean time.

She said that pre birth assessments do take around 6 weeks but she will get it done as quickly as possible and if she needs to try and rush things through with her managers she can do that (if baby comes early etc)

Feeling very positive. What was apparent was that her department always want to explore other options before removal, something that couldn't be said about my home town Smile

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PringlesSmoothie · 14/12/2017 18:51

Well done.

octoberfarm · 14/12/2017 19:26

Delurking to say that I'm so, so glad it all went well, @Hannah1x. Keeping everything crossed that it all goes smoothly from here Smile

Domani · 14/12/2017 19:31

Phew, what a relief for you, HannahSmile Well done, and what a positive interview. Now you can relax a bit! Here, take this Cake (my answer to everything, which is why i'm overweight) Grin Oh, but make sure you have copies of any reports, etc, that you give her. Again, well done.Flowers

Guardsman18 · 14/12/2017 19:33

I'm so happy for you lovely x

doyawannabuildasnowmaaaaaan · 14/12/2017 19:37

I've just spent the day reading your thread Hannah my face is Shock. The admiration I feel for you right now is, well, I just can't find the words. Is it possible to be speechless when typing lol ? I'm completely gobsmacked at the lack of support you received when having your first precious baby. When you are feeling stronger and more confident I would want some answers to what I was put through. You were a child then, your a smart young woman now and you deserve to have your previous case looked at. It won't change the outcome but it might mean you can shut some doors. You really are amazing Hannah. I have everything crossed for you Thanks

Hannah1x · 14/12/2017 19:39

Thanks peeps Smile

This evening is the first time throughout my entire pregnancy that I've allowed myself to believe I'm actually going to be a mum and not just a birth mum again. I will try not get too far ahead of myself but I feel so relieved and glad I've done it Smile x

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Hannah1x · 14/12/2017 19:44

I'm definitely going to see into having my first born sons case looked at after everything is sorted with baby bump too. Hopefully my new social worker can help me with that eventually, she was definitely of the opinion they didn't do enough. I can't begin to explain how vindicated I felt to hear my own suspicions echoed by a professional whom for all intents and purposes would have been within her remit to side with other social services.

Obviously I've still got to go through everything they wrote once she gets the files but I feel really confident about that now, now I know she's not automatically biased and is a social worker who actually wants to help and support x

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doyawannabuildasnowmaaaaaan · 14/12/2017 19:46

You really have done the right thing. For your own sanity if nothing else. You would have been constantly on edge and paranoid. Well done seems a silly thing to say but you have done so well and been so brave. You have everybody routing for you xx

Domani · 14/12/2017 20:00

Hannah do keep posting on here if you wish, because after the baby's born you won't have time.Grin

Hannah1x · 14/12/2017 20:05

I sure will Domani :)

I'm going to keep on documenting my journey here so those interested or others in similar positions can see how things progress for me x

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