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2 child limit, why is nothing done about it? Do you agree?

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Hopeforchildren · 27/12/2019 17:28

Hey guys, so it has been a fee years since the 2 child limit on tax credits. I know a few families with 3 children and started this thread for them. It seems quite odd that nothing has been done about it while most families have more than 2 children and are on low income. I mean not just single parents and non working parents, it’s a common struggle for all this including full time working couples or lone parents. What are your views on this subject. Shouldn’t there be a stop to it since its unfair on the child and even the previous children that has to go without? Before anyone attacking, please bear in mind that some people don’t agree with abortion or feel strongly connected with the baby to terminate the pregnancy. Looking forward to hearing your views. Please stay kind.

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GreenTulips · 27/12/2019 23:45

Benefits are entitlements

Not anymore they aren’t.

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Hopeforchildren · 27/12/2019 23:56

Yes i am a net contributor!

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Hopeforchildren · 28/12/2019 00:02

@dimdarkashian to not receive child benefit means you earn way to high but if out of choice like you make it seem its a little ridiculous because that is your ni contribution too until your child reaches 12 years of age not the ofd £20 a week. So stop talking rubbish, people without children or have any understanding of the topic that make comments such as I don’t and won’t have more than 2 just are ridiculous.

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sweetkitty · 28/12/2019 00:10

Hasn’t it been proven that families on benefits have on average the same number of children as the rest of the population (i.e. 1.9 or something) and that families with 9 children by 12 different fathers is just oddities dug up by the Daily Mail?

Personally I know someone who through no fault of her own became disabled and unable to work, her lovely husband decided to bugger off and leave her with 3 young DC. She has to survive on benefits now, she feels like scum, she has one child too many, does that child starve? Her husband pays little in CM. She’s the one who is vilified for having 3DC?

LuluJakey1 · 28/12/2019 00:18

Perhaps none of us should have more than 2 children - it would be the biggest contribution we could make to the environment.

LuluJakey1 · 28/12/2019 00:19

I have 3 children myself but just wondering about whether we should all be limited to 2 max.

PencilsInSpace · 28/12/2019 00:26

How would that be enforced Lulu? Would it be like the Chinese one child policy?

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Hopeforchildren · 28/12/2019 00:32

So what do we do with your 3rd child if max was 3. Perhaps give it to a family that can’t conceive or something since the country had gone totally mad.

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Hopeforchildren · 28/12/2019 00:32

@LuluJakey1 So what do we do with your 3rd child if max was 3. Perhaps give it to a family that can’t conceive or something since the country had gone totally mad.

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LuluJakey1 · 28/12/2019 00:39

I have no idea how it would be enforced- not retrospectively though. I am not suggesting we take children from parents.

I suppose I am just wondering. Perhaps it should be something that is promoted and encouraged by the government rather than enforced. Additional tax breaks if you have no children, one child or two on a sliding scale.

LuluJakey1 · 28/12/2019 00:41

People who have no children are currently paying for other people's children - maternity services, healthcare, education etc. Perhaps we should pay more tax/ NI per child.

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Hopeforchildren · 28/12/2019 00:42

Maybe a reduced rate of benefits but not completely cutting off for the 3rd dc.

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GreenTulips · 28/12/2019 00:43

Those children will be paying your pension and your NHS bill when you are older. It works both ways

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Hopeforchildren · 28/12/2019 00:46

Sound like a good idea @LuluJakey1 but people are too focused on being negative.

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Hopeforchildren · 28/12/2019 00:49

@GreenTulips those subsequent children would pay for everything that they weren’t entitled to too. How about they don’t pay any tax when they grow older since the government didn’t bother about them and left them in poverty for their parents choices.

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PosiePie · 28/12/2019 00:50

I also think that any maintenance received should be deducted from benefits

Great idea. With the current system basically being voluntary payments because the vast majority of NRPs that don't pay manage to dodge the piss poor attempts at collection successfully, and have debts written off anyway, it'll result in even less money for the children to live on when the NRP doesn't pay that month, and next month, and the next, and they'll be taken into care or worse. How about enforcing the maintenance first and then looking at benefits.
I'm sick of scroungers too - men that fuck off and pay shit all for the child they are 50% responsible for, safe in the knowledge that they can quite easily escape any attempts to make them pay, have historic debts written off and also know society will blame the woman wholly and they'll not have to bear any responsibility at all, and seeing as society will vilify them anyway, they may as well stick the boot in and have a go too.

All those people vilifying women claiming benefits to support their children, why aren't you vilifying the other half of this equation? Why are people so determined to tie themselves in knots about how women should make sure they have planned ahead for being left in the shit, but not bothered at all about the people who are doing the leaving? Why must women be responsible for their own choices, and then the choice of someone else, when they have no control over that person?
People frothing about women going out and getting 'themselves' pregnant over and over just to get more money, when there's far more men who fuck off and don't pay, than women that do that.
Some people really just love to be all superior, well you're one husband caught snagging another woman away from the same situation.

Tigger001 · 28/12/2019 00:53

Just wondering why people say, "people don't need more than 2 kids" ?

Should it only cover your first child or what are people views on why you need 2 but 3 is excessive ?

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Hopeforchildren · 28/12/2019 00:57

All these women that talk a out planning etc. Wonder what they would do when left alone with 2 kids and want to start a new family. No support whatsoever and the new person in their life, especially men would they really want to take up the responsibility. Good luck since this shit of policy is quite new and people haven’t seen the affects of it yet. It will bite back the most ignorant people that walk around saying 2 is plenty and you should have planned. Hope your perfect lives go to plan and insurance policies don’t change.

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Bluerussian · 28/12/2019 00:59

NobJobWinker Fri 27-Dec-19 17:51:41
most families have more than 2 children and are on a low income

In my experience 2 children is the norm and only a minority have 3+

Anyone wanting a large family should balance their desire for extra DC against the financial impact on them and their existing DC
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I agree with that unless a couple have twins second time around.
Most people I know have stopped at two children except for that.

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Hopeforchildren · 28/12/2019 01:03

@Tigger001 because george osborne has 2 kids and thinks thats the ideal family and people just went along with it.

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Scarsthelot · 28/12/2019 04:40

All these women that talk a out planning etc. Wonder what they would do when left alone with 2 kids and want to start a new family.

That is what happened to me and I ruled our having any kids. Firstly because it wouldd stretch out wages too much AND because the benefit safety net wouldnt apply. If something went wrong.

Dp doesnt have kids. But that's the choice we made. We have 2 between us.

MsTSwift · 28/12/2019 07:45

Still don’t see what is so enraging the op. Most sensible adults limit their family size for all sorts of reasons usually to maximise resources within the family for existing dc environmental concern etc. Those yearning for the Von Trapp experience might not get to experience it if they can’t afford it well hey that’s life I’m afraid.

ScreamingValalalalahLalalalah · 28/12/2019 08:16

Some people really just love to be all superior, well you're one husband caught snagging another woman away from the same situation.

Not really. Just because you're married, it's not mandatory to have any children, let alone multiple children. If you split up and remarry, it's not mandatory to have another set of children with your second partner. Nor is it mandatory to accept your husband being the main breadwinner. If my husband left me, he'd be the one having to claim benefits, not me.

I can't stand the way women are stereotyped as passive child-producing machines, dependent on the whim of a male partner to avoid falling into poverty - and so many women meekly accept that stereotype as the way they have to live. Take control! Keep your financial independence. Take advantage of shared parental leave so you don't have to sacrifice your job.

TheLittleBrownFox · 28/12/2019 08:24

please bear in mind that some people don’t agree with abortion or feel strongly connected with the baby to terminate the pregnancy.

Contraception - in the people that I know who have had unplanned pregnancies, they weren't using ANY contraception. Xmas Confused Three of these women I went to school with, I know exactly the sex education they got and that I came out of the same classes as them making sure I used two methods to be sure.

Whilst yes of course not all methods are suitable for everybody and all methods can fail, I suspect that a large percentage of unplanned babies are because contraception wasn't even an afterthought.

Scarsthelot · 28/12/2019 08:28

Some people really just love to be all superior, well you're one husband caught snagging another woman away from the same situation

I am really not. Dp moved into my home with legal document signed to protect my property. We arent getting married and not having kids. He doesnt have them. My children will inherit the house. Dp will get part of my life insurance if I die early.

I bought this house when I left abusive exh. I also remained working. Took years of planning, but was worth it. Moved to a cheap area further out and bought a cheap house. I could now, afford to move to a bigger place. But I dont. Because I know me and the kids will be comfortable if dp fucks off.

I have insurance to pay my Bill's if I lost my job and critical illness for both me and dp.

Staying living in a cheaper property means I also have savings.

And one reason I wont have a third? If it all came falling down, lost my savings, insurance didn't pay out I would get no financial support for a third.

If having children was very important to dp, he could have walked away at the beginning.

I was the child of a woman who married multiple times and never worked full time
I saw her get left in the shit more than once. It wasnt happening to me.

It beggars belief that women are sneered at for being financially dependent.

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