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2 child limit, why is nothing done about it? Do you agree?

399 replies

Hopeforchildren · 27/12/2019 17:28

Hey guys, so it has been a fee years since the 2 child limit on tax credits. I know a few families with 3 children and started this thread for them. It seems quite odd that nothing has been done about it while most families have more than 2 children and are on low income. I mean not just single parents and non working parents, it’s a common struggle for all this including full time working couples or lone parents. What are your views on this subject. Shouldn’t there be a stop to it since its unfair on the child and even the previous children that has to go without? Before anyone attacking, please bear in mind that some people don’t agree with abortion or feel strongly connected with the baby to terminate the pregnancy. Looking forward to hearing your views. Please stay kind.

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Scarsthelot · 28/12/2019 09:58

Scarsthelotthe tread is not about this group of people and yes you should use your time to report them rather than chit chat about it.

Nope this thread is about 2 child/UC rule. Of which that group of people are part of. You claimed they dont exist. You cant then decide no one can challenge it. That's ridiculous and says alot a out the motives of you starting this thread.

lynsey91 · 28/12/2019 10:06

Really all couples should only have 2 children maximum because of overpopulation and climate change.

Parents are lucky to live in a country where they get benefits and the cap at 2 is generous enough.

No one needs to have more than 2 children and contraception, if used properly, is very effective even though so many women have "accidents". If you really can't afford another child then you have to double up on contraception or be sterilised or the man have a vasectomy.

Posters saying 2 children or less is the norm today should come to where I live. Almost all my neighbours with children have 3 or more

thisisthetime · 28/12/2019 10:07

Isn't it an extra £13 a week for a third child? I don't think the state should be paying for more than two children anyway but if you can't afford to have a child without that sum of money to help you're not really in a position to have a third anyway surely!

Zaphodsotherhead · 28/12/2019 10:12

My XH - the one that left me with five kids - also managed to evade the CMS. He owed me over £30,000. They've finally caught up with him and he has to pay me back the arrears, even though the kids are all in their twenties and thirties now!

But yes. I was told they could take away his driving licence, his passport, get an atttachment of earnings and all that, but they never did. They waited for him to get in touch of his own volition.

Some men just never pay. And you can't 'save' for that. I gave up a good career to bring up my kids, and I have an excellent degree too, if that makes a difference.

MyDcAreMarvel · 28/12/2019 10:17

No it’s £60 approx a week.

Hollyhead · 28/12/2019 10:18

I completely agree that there needs to be a massive clampdown on shirking fuckwit men.

Scarsthelot · 28/12/2019 10:22

And you can't 'save' for that. I gave up a good career to bring up my kids, and I have an excellent degree too, if that makes a difference.

When women choose to give up work, to being up kids they need to be very aware of this. They need to be aware of how vulnerable they are and think of worst case scenario. If they choose to take that risk, without safe guards in place, that's their choice. If you choose to have more than 2 kids, knowing if the shit hits the fan that you wont get support for the others, again that's your choice.

If your kids are 20s and 30s, this rule didnt impact you

Scarsthelot · 28/12/2019 10:23

I completely agree that there needs to be a massive clampdown on shirking fuckwit men.

There really does.

ChasingRainbows19 · 28/12/2019 10:28

I'm Child free. I absolutely don't begrudge paying taxes at all towards those in need and who need benefits, it's a fair society but two children is fair enough to get support for.

I'd rather my taxes go towards people already here: a better State pension and pension age, those people with disabilities or illness that can't work and their caterers, better social care for both young and elderly.

Have as many children as you want but be able to afford to give them basics . Yes you can argue some circumstances but child maintenance should be paid by law by all absent fathers not tax payers making up the difference in benefits.

Also people should be thinking environmentally. Children you are bringing into the world will be massively impacted by the changing climate and environment. Two children is more than enough right now for the planet.

ScreamingValalalalahLalalalah · 28/12/2019 10:30

Some men just never pay. And you can't 'save' for that. I gave up a good career to bring up my kids, and I have an excellent degree too, if that makes a difference.

You can't save for it but you can guard against it by not giving up your good career. If you felt you had to have five children, why didn't you split the bringing up part between you so you could continue your career?

AlexanderHalexander · 28/12/2019 10:43

Bearing in mind that some men never pay a penny in CM, it seems sensible for no one to have more than 2 children unless they are independently wealthy, mortgage paid off, loads of savings etc. Since it’s better for the environment, and better for children to have more attention/money, why would anyone encourage others to have more than 2?

GreenTulips · 28/12/2019 10:44

Maybe the cash needs to come at source when the baby is born and registered?

A % lump sum agreement signed by the father when the birth registration happens - a legal document stating they will pay x in the event of Y/Z etc

They can also cross check any previous births for that father.

There has to be other ways

MerryChristmasUfilthyanimal · 28/12/2019 10:47

I like the American system.
Both parents before a judge. With full income and expenditures for the child.
Both parents expected to work to their full potential and judged on their earning potential. Then costs for the child are split including childcare and CM based on the income of both.

ScreamingValalalalahLalalalah · 28/12/2019 10:52

A % lump sum agreement signed by the father when the birth registration happens - a legal document stating they will pay x in the event of Y/Z etc

But if they won't pay legally mandated CMS, why would they pay a lump sum?

If you're saying the lump sum should be set aside at birth, I think that's unreasonable. I'm fully in agreement that people shouldn't have children they can't afford, but expecting people to put aside a lump sum before they had them would move that into children being only for the wealthy, which is a different thing and wouldn't be fair at all.

notthemum · 28/12/2019 11:12

@hopeforchildren.
I was merely addressing a comment made by pulp fiction. I thought that was allowed. The person going on about cruelty etc appears to be you.
I am a tax paying responsible adult. I am able to make decisions for myself and in extreme situations may need to do so for others.
Interesting username as with your attitude to anyone who doesn't absolutely agree with you I wonder if there is any hope for any of us.

WendyMoiraAngelaDarling · 28/12/2019 11:15

Out of interest say two people have one child each then meet and have another together will this count as a third child and therefore not receive benefits? Or is it a second child for each and therefore not meeting the limit?

MerryChristmasUfilthyanimal · 28/12/2019 11:20

If both children live within the home and they are on the claim I believe it will be the third child.
However as is usually likely the fathers child will reside in another property and will be on the mothers claim so they will be able to claim for the mothers child and their shared child.

WendyMoiraAngelaDarling · 28/12/2019 11:22

Thanks. That's what I thought. Rather unfair really.

Scarsthelot · 28/12/2019 11:26

The other option sould be that parents always have to claim together, even if not a couple or living together.

In theory, I could say that my 16 year old doesn't live with me. Have a baby and claim for the baby and ds 8.

But I would still have 3 non adults to provide for.

MerryChristmasUfilthyanimal · 28/12/2019 11:27

But then many unmarried women don't want the father on the BC. You could force somebody into a claim while at the same time saying they can't be the legally recognised father.

GreenTulips · 28/12/2019 11:29

if you're saying the lump sum should be set aside at birth, I think that's unreasonable

Nope I’m suggesting that you sign a legal agreement that in event of a split you continue to pay your share for the child regardless.

You consent to being that child’s parent and will continue to pay until they are 18.

SimonJT · 28/12/2019 11:31

@Greentulips What if the mother or father refuse to sign the % agreement?

MerryChristmasUfilthyanimal · 28/12/2019 11:32

But what would the share be? X amount based on the salary at birth?
What about redundancy or sickness?
Can the father force the mother to sign a document that says she will stay in work for the whole 18 years?

ScreamingValalalalahLalalalah · 28/12/2019 11:47

Nope I’m suggesting that you sign a legal agreement that in event of a split you continue to pay your share for the child regardless. You consent to being that child’s parent and will continue to pay until they are 18.

I understand. But I still say that if the absent parent refuses to pay CMS, they'd just refuse to pay this as well.

MyDcAreMarvel · 28/12/2019 11:52

People in the UK need to be having more children not less. We are heading for a crisis where there will not be enough young people to sustain the economy and care for elderly people.
The U.K. is in no way overpopulated.

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