2 child limit, why is nothing done about it? Do you agree?

[Hopeforchildren]

Hey guys, so it has been a fee years since the 2 child limit on tax credits. I know a few families with 3 children and started this thread for them. It seems quite odd that nothing has been done about it while most families have more than 2 children and are on low income. I mean not just single parents and non working parents, it’s a common struggle for all this including full time working couples or lone parents. What are your views on this subject. Shouldn’t there be a stop to it since its unfair on the child and even the previous children that has to go without? Before anyone attacking, please bear in mind that some people don’t agree with abortion or feel strongly connected with the baby to terminate the pregnancy. Looking forward to hearing your views. Please stay kind.

@scarsthelot I earn too much to claim any form of benefit, so I wouldn’t take them into consideration at all if I adopted more children.

@Hopeforchildren how exactly am I talking rubbish? I have two children. I can’t afford to have anymore. Yes my husband earns over the threshold so we don’t receive child benefit but it still stands that we won’t be having a third child as we simply cannot afford to!
People who have children without considering whether they can afford to are ridiculous and it is unfair to their children

Yes it is a disgusting policy. It is economic coercion forcing women to abort and I'm unhappy so few religious organisations haven't done more.

If my marriage broke up, I would be mightily pissed off if my ex DJ went off and had a load of kids with someone else and then said he couldn't afford to pay for his existing children. I wont have any more children because my existing children take precedence. Why is it forcing women to have abortions? What about forcing people, men and women, to take responsibility for their own fertility by using contraception?

I earn too much to claim any form of benefit, so I wouldn’t take them into consideration at all if I adopted more children.

Sorry I was referencing people talking about having 3 or more kids THEN hitting difficult financial times.

Would you adopted a 3rd/4th/5thx knowing if some happened and you couldnt earn money anymore that you woildmt get money for the 3/4/5?

and I'm unhappy so few religious organisations haven't done more.

Why would they?

@Hopeforchildren you say you are a net contributor. Are you a higher rate taxpayer?

@pulpfiction1
I am pleased that you haven't met anyone who uses children as a payday. Unfortunately having worked closely with children in and out of schools for many years I have met loads who have done and do do this

Pencils. “ If it gets to ECHR the government will have no choice but to fix it or else be in deliberate breach of international human rights law.”

So how do other countries manage this, does anyone know?

Not a higher rate taxpayer, not receiving benefits other than child benefits with only 1 kid. As I mentioned the purpose was that i know many people struggling while working whether couple or not that can fall back on each other. This thread has nothing to do with people having children as payday. @Pulpfiction1 please check elsewhere to discuss child cruelty and report them to social services since you have many evidence working with them closely.

Sorry not @Pulpfiction1 My post was directed at @notthemum

I am pleased that you haven't met anyone who uses children as a payday. Unfortunately having worked closely with children in and out of schools for many years I have met loads who have done and do do this

Same here. Sadly for some young women, for whom University or a good job is not on their radar, they choose to have children very young instead of getting a job as their role. Then, when the children are a bit older they choose to have more rather than get a job, because the jobs available to them are low paid and unglamorous, because they have no training and experience, because they had children instead of getting some. They survive on benefits and the children are brought up in chaos and poverty, while the women never work and never have financial independence, live a hard life and die young.

I'm not a tory, but I agree that this cycle of poverty and deprivation needs to be stopped. The reason women in poorer countries have multiple children is because child mortality is high, and it gave them the best chance of having children survive to adulthood. That isn't the case in the UK. We need to change expectations - a woman who doesn't earn much, who is reliant on the state should not be expecting to have more than two children. And personally, I don't think anyone, regardless of income should have more than 4, and I hope society starts to frown on such large families.

Not a higher rate taxpayer, not receiving benefits other than child benefits with only 1 kid.

I thought you said you got 750 a month for your three kids?

please check elsewhere to discuss child cruelty and report them to social services since you have many evidence working with them closely

So someone tells you they work with and have experience of a group you say dont exist, and she has to go elsewhere, because you said?

a woman who doesn't earn much, who is reliant on the state should not be expecting to have more than two children.

I meant person, applies to men too!

@AlexanderHalexander where did i say that? Please copy and paste. Someone said 500 a month for 2 kids just split it into 3 and i said how about 750 for for 3 kids. Equal amount for all 250 each. Seriously are you okay?

I'm fine mate, enjoying my high income and three degrees.
You?

@Scarsthelot the tread is not about this group of people and yes you should use your time to report them rather than chit chat about it.

@AlexanderHalexander 3 degrees and can’t comprehend basic conversations and getting confused? Where did you get those degrees From 😂

Just a flip side of the argument. Both my kids were conceived whilst I was different forms of contraception. I only found out after the second pregnancy from a Dr that an underlying medical condition would stop both forms from working - I have put things in place to ensure this doesn't happen again.
My partner then decided he wasn't cut out to be a parent and I was left on my own- I should add he was incredibly abusive whilst we were together and enjoys the power he has to continue to abuse me by refusing to pay maintenance. The CMS refuse to enforce powers to reprimand him. He owes me over 15k in unpaid child maintenance. I've also found out that he has a string of other children left in the same situation as mine prior to our relationship. Everything he told me over the course of our relationship was a lie. Short of asking for references how are you supposed to know if a man already has children?
The CMS isn't fit for purpose. It has let.me down more times than I can remember. I'd happily have them remove me exs driving licence but they wont because he needs it for his job driving. We've tried deduction of earning. They've tried taking it directly from his bank account. It works for a week or two then he finds a way to evade it. They basically told me they wont send him to jail because then I definitely wont get anything then - there are no consequences for.men who repeatedly evade payment so why would they comply? He has no assets they can seize. He knows every trick in the book to get out of paying. Hes left countless women in the same situation as me yet we are the ones looked upon as scum.
Even when they locate him as working again they have to follow a process to give him a chance to pay of his own accord. He never will and all this does is alert him to the fact that they are onto him again and he repeats the process of going self employed or swapping to another job to avoid paying what is due. We will never recover that money but I will never stop chasing it. Can you imagine if I owed that much in tax or council tax? I'd have been imprisoned years ago but because I'm a dummy single mother they let it slide and the amount continues to grow.
I will add I work fulltime and run a business from home in my spare time as a second job to provide for my kids.
PLEASE STOP THE VILIFICATION OF MUMS WHO ARE JUST TRYING THEIR BEST TO GET BY. Without tax credits and child benefit I wouldn't be able to feed my kids or get to work, it's not a massive amount but it's the difference between living in poverty and having enough food or money for the heating. We dont live a lavish life. I am.careful with.my money. The men who shirk their responsibilities need to be held to account and the cms system needs to get a spine!

@AlexanderHalexander 3 degrees and can’t comprehend basic conversations and getting confused? Where did you get those degrees From 😂

So very goady, you do know that claiming I don't understand things doesn't mean you are right? When people resort to claiming the other person is too stupid to understand their argument, it's usually a sign they are badly losing

I take it you've got a degree from the University of Life?

@Hopeforchildren you are not a net contributor if you are not a higher rate taxpayer (that’s roughly the line at which you pay for your own benefits and public services).

So at the moment, you are not paying your way. No judgment but public services are expensive and that’s the harsh reality.

Just out of interest if you had two adult kids then a third baby could you claim for the baby as you no longer get benefit for the adult kids.

@AlexanderHalexander first class honours love 😉

Break downs of relationships should not be something utterly unforeseen either. About half of marriages break down, more for younger couples.

I’m a single mum and I don’t get any benefits. I established my career first so had something to go back to. There are some young women in my experience who are having children as a substitute for a career. Married or not, that often doesn’t work out for them.

I do totally agree with pp though who say we need a CMS that is fit for purpose.