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Infertility meltdown

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HappyAmbler · 02/01/2014 00:06

Hello ladies

I'm a long time lurker and very occasional poster.

This is really just a rant as I'm feeling so utterly shit this evening - hence the title (was crying when I started writing this Sad). My DH is asleep upstairs as he has to work tomorrow.

This is my third cycle of clomid and AF has just arrived. We have been ttc #1 for 19 months although in that time I've had 22 cycles.

I'm just feeling totally lost as I was only prescribed three months of clomid, and my next appointment at the NHS fertility clinic isn't until mid Feb - so I'm basically going to have two wasted cycles in between.

We still don't really know what the problem is. DH and I are both 31, his SA was normal, my blood tests and ultrasound were normal, my cycles are pretty regular and I'm fairly certain I ovulate every month (temp rise). The only possible factor is my post ovulation (day 21) progesterone levels are 'borderline'. i.e. they indicate ovulation has occurred but not high enough to sustain pregnancy.

I really thought the clomid would 'fix' this seemingly minor problem. And it has in the sense that my post ovulation progesterone levels have been higher, and my luteal phase has been longer, but I'm still not bloody well up the duff Sad

Apparently the next step is HSG - feeling stupid for not insisting this was done before I started the clomid, but I was so convinced the clomid would work...

I guess I'm just starting to panic now. If we don't know what the problem is, how the hell can it be fixed??

Thanks very much if you've got this far. I'm not sure why I'm posting, just needed to get this off my chest I guess. I don't know anyone in RL who's going through this, so it's just helpful to know there are others out there.

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RubySlippers77 · 26/02/2014 12:52

Hello again :)

Sorry I haven't posted for a while, ladies - I am just so utterly, utterly fed up with the whole TTC business that I just want to ignore it most of the time. It feels like everyone else has sprogs no problem, why not us?! CD14 for me today but already I think it's not our month. How defeatist!

I'm also grumpy due to my less than sterling weight loss - I know I've lost inches but will the bloody scales budge?! Not a hope.

Sorry, I will catch up later and hopefully will be more positive by then; currently in Costa and can't move for falling over prams! Speak soon & sending hugs in the meantime xx

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Fankletastic · 26/02/2014 18:39

Just to say hang in there to ruby- It's rubbish, utterly utterly shit dealing with this, especially when friends get diffed after only a month or two! I'm trying avoidance tactics with one friend who lives locally, but not sure how much longer I can keep it up. It's so much easier avoiding friends that live far away. But sod it. My local group of friends know what I'm going through and I bloody well expect them to be understanding and tolerate my disappearance for a while. Is that awful of me??
Although, I'm starting to feel that my network of friends is getting smaller and smaller :-(

Sorry- I wanted to cheer you up but have just gone off on a rant of my own. Oh well, have a good rant on here- it might make you feel better :-)

But do hang in there!

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Shellster52 · 27/02/2014 02:14

I don't think it's awful Fankie to expect friends to be understanding while you are going through a difficult time - but of course I could be biased because I am sitting on your side of the infertility fence too.

Ruby, nice to hear from you. I just so wish for you that your husband would see how difficult this is for you and do a semen analysis so you can get some medical help! It pains me to hear you suffering - I just want to come to your house and tell him!

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Fankletastic · 27/02/2014 11:28

Thanks Shellster for the words of encouragement. I need to remember that I've got an appointment with my FC coming up in a few weeks and do my best to be positive about taking serious action. It's just that I really want it to be NOW and IVF just seems like a long hard journey.

I think I'm out this month and fully expect AF to show over the weekend. Boobs still hurting (7 days non stop aching now) but starting to get the small signs that witch is on the way Hmm

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Shellster52 · 28/02/2014 01:52

Your boobs hurt from ovulation? I never get any symptoms. No ovulation pain, nothing. Makes me think my hormones must be very low. Wish I could reassure you otherwise when you say IVF seems like a long hard journey. But unfortuantely I can't. I think I would have had myself committed if I had of known two years ago that I still wouldn't be pregnant today after putting myself through 4 IVF's. What can we do, we are just forced to journey on. I hope the 17th March comes around quickly for you. Should be about when my periods arrives and I start IVF.

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Fankletastic · 28/02/2014 08:01

No Shell, my period is due tomorrow. The boob pain has been really bad this month, since 7dpo. Of course I got my hopes up but, although they're still a bit sore, they've deflated now so I think I'm out this month. Hmm

I also had bad ovulation pain this month that lasted for a couple of days. It was just a dull ache but pretty uncomfortable. I never usually get ov pain. It's a big mystery! Just wish my body would do what it's meant to!

Good luck for starting your IVF journey next month.

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Fankletastic · 01/03/2014 16:33

Still no period but just got a negative on the 'lucky' first response test I was saving for a rainy day. Bugger it. I'm going to drink wine...

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Shellster52 · 01/03/2014 20:47

Oh Fankle, I know the sinking feeling that a negative test brings all too well, even though we don't think it will be positive, it's still a shattering blow. I guess it has been good for us to find the cause of our issues that hubby's sperm is 100% abnormal as it has made me realise we have 0% chance of it happening naturally and has stopped me getting my hopes up each month only to have them come crashing down. It does put a lot of pressure on me for IVF to work next month though because that is my only chance - can't keep spending $$$$ on more and more IVF and getting into debt. I hope you enjoyed your wine and really hope that the doctor gets things started for you at your appointment in a couple of weeks.

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RubySlippers77 · 03/03/2014 15:28

Hi everyone :)

Fankle, how are you feeling now? Better I hope - hopefully you enjoyed the weekend despite the BFN. Like Shellster says, although you don't expect it to be positive there's always that little bit of hope.

Well, I had my own infertility meltdown last night; dinner out with the girls on Friday night when 75% of them spent most of the time discussing their kids (the other 25% don't have any, but we weren't sitting near enough to each other to talk!) and a birthday afternoon tea yesterday, which I thought would be fine as it was at a posh hotel (no kids allowed) but there was a baby shower next to our table. Aarrgggghhhh :( anyhow, I spent most of the evening blubbing with OH finally understanding what I was on about, I think. I explained that it's really hard when people think or ask when we'll be starting a family - I have no idea what to say - and even harder that everyone knows he wants kids, so they assume it's me not wanting them.

He did say how odd it was to be with someone who actually wants kids - his last girlfriend lied to him about it for years and was on the pill the whole time - and I said I don't know what to do, whether to ask for more tests or if there's anything else we can try. He said he would have gone for another SA in about a year(!!) because he wants to finish the kitchen first(!!!). I pointed out that this was stupid because if there's an issue and we have to have more treatment we'd have to go on a waiting list, and anyway, babies take nine months to arrive regardless. Doh.

No real conclusion reached but I felt better for blubbing and sharing the misery, quite frankly. I shall continue to ask him about the SA till he gives in and bloody goes.....

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Fankletastic · 03/03/2014 22:32

So sorry to hear about your meltdown Ruby. I can just imagine how you were feeling in those two quite different situations. I remember telling a close friend that I was having a miscarriage (like FOREVER ago... it took about 2 weeks for it to actually happen as I waited for a natural m/c. Looking back I don't know how I managed to go about daily life, work and socialising for those 2 weeks, but at the time I thought it was best to stay busy)...anyway we were sitting in a busy, noisy restaurant where the tables were fairly close together. I was taking solace in wine and trying not to cry into my meal, when a heavily pregnant girl sat at the table right next to ours. I just didn't know where to look! So we ordered more wine.

Glad MrR is being more supportive of you. But a year until SA! I expect you will have to nag him a bit (it's for their own good isn't it?) Grin

I'm not feeling great tonight. My period is unusually heavy and making me feel v tired and dizzy and crampy. I'm wondering it it's something to do with having a lap & dye at the end of January. I got a normal period straight after it, so thought i had gotten off lightly. Seems not. Anyone else had a lap & dye and had super heavy period afterwards?

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Shellster52 · 04/03/2014 00:18

Glad you can talk to your hubby about things Ruby. If I talk to mine, he just thinks I am obsessed and that is the reason it isn't happening (despite his 100% abnormal sperm!) So at least if you can talk to your hubby, hopefully he gets the message what this is doing to you and decides to go for an SA.

Geepers, what a horrible situation for you 'Fankle' waiting for a miscarriage to come. So I assume that was at the start of your 3 years TTC journey - and nothing since? It just shows that obviously the egg and sperm can meet up and things can work, so it just adds to the frustration of not knowing what's going wrong. I didn't have a heavy period - not even after my surgery. But my periods are always very light and barely last two days so that could be the reason it wasn't heavy even after surgery (which I think adds to our infertility issues).

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Fankletastic · 04/03/2014 15:59

Yes, Shellster, pretty much. Been married 3 years, ttc for 2.5 years. Managed to catch on the 3rd cycle but sadly ended in miscarriage in jan 2012. I'd had some spotting so got an early scan at the epu, where they detected a heartbeat. However it was measuring a week too small, given my dates, and they told me that while it could all be ok, it could also end in a miscarriage. But I was relieved to have seen that little precious heartbeat so went home feeling better. The spotting stopped for a few days, but then it returned. Cue a repeat of above situation a week later, this time taking DH to the epu with me (and naively hoping he could see the heartbeat too). But there was no heart beat. Hmm
And not a hint of a bfp since. So that's my sad story.

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Shellster52 · 05/03/2014 05:54

S**T. What a stressful time when so many couples get married and then easily conceive and have a blissful family life. Your marriage started with that sad story and has been consumed with the stress of TTC since. I am in Australia so don't know how your specialists are over there, but I just hope you at least come away from your upcoming appointment with a sense of hope that they will work hard to help you.

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Fankletastic · 05/03/2014 17:49

Thank you She'll, hope so too!

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RubySlippers77 · 05/03/2014 23:00

Oh Fankle, what a sad story - about your TTC and about the MC - what a horrible, horrible situation. My friend had a MMC a few years back and I had to take her into hospital for the day for a D&C; the baby's father was denying all knowledge by that point and it was incredibly difficult for her. I hope you get some good advice and help very soon.

Shellster, I do talk to my OH and he (occasionally!) listens; when it comes to this though he would rather bury his head in the sand, even though let's face it, the majority of all the hard work and discomfort will be mine!! He's having a tough time at work at the moment so I don't want to add to that, but I think we will have the SA conversation again when AF arrives in a week or so.

Speaking of work, I have an interview tomorrow! It would mean a pay cut of around £3K per year BUT I would be closer to home and the company looks really interesting to work for. I am a bit bored with my current job but more than that, am utterly, utterly fed up with my manager - as there doesn't seem to be any chance of maternity leave on the horizon, I may as well try to work somewhere I'd actually like.....

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Shellster52 · 05/03/2014 23:33

Best of luck for the interview Ruby. Horrible to have to work for someone you are fed up with. Hope you get some good vibes for the new place. And a new job would be a welcome distraction from TTC.

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Fankletastic · 06/03/2014 20:20

Thanks Ruby- sounds like you are a good friend. Can't imagine going through that without my DH.

Hope your interview went well!

Sometimes I think of changing jobs...just for a change. But it always comes back to ttc and the 'what ifs'. Hate not having any control over this and feeling trapped by circumstances. But then I'm not unhappy in my current job. Just think a change might take my mind off ttc (yeah right)!
Hope you ladies are all doing ok today

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DulcetMoans · 06/03/2014 20:39

Evening all. Not posted in a while but I have been reading.

That is a horrible thing to happen frankle, not easy to forget I expect too.

It's never nice sticking at a job you don't like. I quit once with no where to go just because I couldn't face going back to the job after Christmas. Got something else pretty quick but under normal circumstances I would advise getting out of jobs you hate. TTC does make that a bit more complex though. Good luck to you ruby! Something else to focus on too.

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RubySlippers77 · 07/03/2014 12:55

Interview went ok I think, and thank you for all your good wishes! I'm not sure I was what they're looking for, but it wasn't a horrible experience and I was finished early enough to go for a run in the sunshine, which was nice (if muddy!)

Big row with OH last night about his weekend away with the lads, which starts today. What is the bloody point of me eating well, not drinking much etc if he's going to do God knows what whilst he's away?! Anyhow, the upshot is that he's agreed to go for a SA (mainly to stop me nagging, I think) so today I have struck whilst the iron is hot and called his GP to book him an appointment, where they'll go through all the paperwork. Unfortunately a lack of privacy at work means a number of people in Morrisons now also know he's going for a sperm test, as that's the only place I could phone them from, but hey ho...

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DulcetMoans · 08/03/2014 06:50

Great news about the SA ruby but a shame you had to have a fight to get there.

When will you hear about the job? At least it was a positive one and all good interview experience! Fx for you!

Someone at work is pg, heard on grapevine yesterday. I don't normally get til annoyed at that sort of thing but she's not my fave person so I am a little put out. Oh well, maybe this is the month - lucky number 18...

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Fankletastic · 09/03/2014 16:30

Hi ladies

That's easy to understand Dulcet. I'm bad enough when hearing that people I actually like are pregnant. I seem to take it really personally although I know it's ridiculous. Trying to be a bit more chilled this cycle- number 26. Hope is my worst enemy so plan to ignore it completely.

Hope you're all having lovely weekends, enjoying springtime!

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RubySlippers77 · 09/03/2014 22:14

Me too Dulcet, there was one lady at work (currently on maternity leave) that I found annoying at the best of times, so when she managed to work "because I'm pregnant" into every email (or so it seemed!) I really had to grit my teeth.....

I did have a lovely weekend thank you Fankle, hope you did too :) AF due shortly, therefore I will be a grumpy and hormonal mess soon! OH is back from his lads weekend away tomorrow and won't he be pleased to find out about his doctor's appointment on Friday?! Pah. He needs to man up and just bloody go!!

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DulcetMoans · 11/03/2014 09:29

Well that was summer over with then - at least it is here. Hopefully still sunny wherever you all are.

To follow the person I don't really like being pregnant, a friend announced yesterday. I am happy for her, of course, but now I am the only one in our little dinner club without a bump or a baby so I am not looking forward to the next meet up! Selfish I know. I don't like myself right now either.

To make it even more difficult I have AF MIA. Was due last Thurs although I estimate actually Saturday from when I think I ov'd (if I OV!) but no sign. And no BFP of course. So I am in limbo with two newly pregnant colleagues!

Queue meltdown...

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RubySlippers77 · 11/03/2014 22:11

Ahhhhh Dulcet I feel for you!! My AF was due today, no show too. I guess last time it was 33 days so not really late as yet though! Don't be too hard on yourself, what you're feeling is completely normal; I too have had to say 'congratulations' through gritted teeth, it's very hard whether or not you like the person, you just wish it was you.....

Went with OH today for his GP appointment - sat through a graphic description of his toenail fungal infection (lovely) before getting to the SA bit. GP was very helpful and said he wasn't sure of the procedures in our area, although he thought it had changed in the 5 years since OH last one, but he would look into it and phone OH with instructions. Have to say OH was if not keen then at least willing, and left with a list of products to buy from Holland & Barrett. The GP recommended scoffing lots of almonds but sadly he can't stand them!

However, SA test results aside, I really don't want to work with my manager a minute longer; his latest trick is to refuse my holiday requests and say that I have to take 2 x 2 week holidays and the rest as days throughout the year. I don't see why I should - it's not in my contract, I don't want to and no-one else has to - plus no-one covers my work when I'm not there, so it defeats the object of having a relaxing break! If needs be I will get HR involved as I'm not willing to do this, I will book my holidays at convenient times (non-school holidays to work round colleagues with kids, for example) but I'm not taking them when he wants me to.

Grrrr - rant over! Had fish & chips after the GP appointment, had a very healthy weekend but then thought 'bugger it'. Oh and I did feel like a big glass of Wine but managed to avoid it!

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DulcetMoans · 14/03/2014 20:22

Turned up in the end ruby, 33 days. Compared to 23 last month and meant to be 27-29. It's gone messed up but not sure why!

Any more news on SA for DH? At least the question has been asked but I expect now you want action!

Any movement on your holiday? Last thing you need is more work stress on top of the baby nonsense!

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