Assisted conception after recurrent miscarriage

[duggs1976]

Hey super ovulators and those struggling with infertility after miscarriage this is where we are! Come on over ...

I am not sure probably not but I will try

I will be six weeks on Monday so v early days!

It's hard isn't it to stay away as so desperate to know what us going in in there!

pebbles great news fingers crossed it will be plain sailing for you from now on :)

Positive ovulation stick CD 9 for me too Mel!

How bizarre!;) x

Actually, I'm not sure what's going on. I don't think it was quite a positive, but I've had strong lines, not quite positive, for 3 days now. In the past I noticed I often had a small surge about day 8, but then the real one followed about day 16. And I can't find my thermometer so I suppose the answer is to cover all bases and DTD every day!

Morning ladies ... if you'll all excuse me, I'm here for a small whinge and general bang-my-head-against-a-brick-wall. So it's been almost 6 weeks (31st July) since taking the misoprostol tablets and the gestational sac being, erm, ejected. And since the EPU did a pregnancy test, which was negative. 3 weeks after that, subsequent scan by EPU confirmed nothing left except 9mm fundal lining, it had been 15mm on 31st July. EPU said absolutely no point in doing anything medically further as there was nothing left, and my AF would arrive in due course. So that was almost 3 weeks ago. Now I know AF can take yonks to arrive, possibly up to 6 weeks, so I wasn't overly bothered. However, I thought I would just make double-sure this morning that there wasn't something else going on as no sign at all of AF, and did a FRER test. Guess what? Faint positive.

I am now silently doing the previously-mentioned banging of the head on the nearest brick wall. What the feck is going on? I know FRER tests are very sensitive, 12miu I think?, but surely if there was still hCG left in my system it would have been picked up by the EPU pregnancy test almost 6 weeks ago? And if this is some bizarre further pregnancy, it is of course doomed anyway - I'm only on 10mg pred currently (Penny asked me to start taking it a week ago, she wants me on low-dose pred for at least a month to 2 months before we start looking at a second IVF cycle to calm down my rampant immune system), so it wouldn't stand a chance in hell of getting anywhere. All this means it we will be yet further delayed in doing another cycle, if it IS another pregnancy.

Jeez. It never rains but it pours! I will be phoning the EPU this morning but I can only imagine they're going to say come in for yet another scan - although if it IS another pregnancy, there wouldn't be anything there to see yet anyway, right?

Pulling my hair out here :(

Hope you guys are all doing well, /waves to everyone.

As my sister says, rebound fertility after pregnancy is very common. Sounds very much like you are pregnant. So you've been doing no kind of tracking of temperature/ovulation? So you'd have no idea if and when you ovulated? Have you been DTD much?
Of course something similar happened to me after my 'big' miscarriage; I then apparently conceived again, although later miscarried. No reason why this should go the same way though; well, other than the usual reasons!

Nope brown, I haven't tracked anything as I didn't expect to ovulate until after my post-miscarriage AF. We have DTD precisely twice (in bl**dy months), mostly because I just didn't want to do anything until I knew what my cycles were doing, so I could avoid precisely this kind of nightmare! Thing is, if I AM pregnant, then the poor little thing is doomed anyway, as I said, because of my immune system which is definitely rampaging at the moment (has been for weeks now).

A small part of me thought "should I start taking all the meds just in case" and then a very BIG part of me says "what's the point?". I did all that with my IVF cycle, and look where that got me, and they were with supposedly perfect embryos! If it IS another pregnancy, it's already too late - it's only a faint positive, and I know full well what that means for me. I have never had a good outcome from a faint positive, never.

Doing my feckin' head in, I can tell you!

Well spoke to the EPU, they think it's most likely there's still a bit of pregnancy tissue clinging on that they didn't pick up at the last scan. Which would make sense. They said their pregnancy tests are sensitive to about 30miu, so it's possible/probably that the FRER one will pick up something that theirs didn't. Surprise surprise I have to go back in for yet another scan, this time with the consultant, on Wed. I am thinking I am going to ask that they do the hysteroscopic guided resection the staff nurse mentioned before, to remove anything that may still be left.

Someone "up there" seems to have it in for me!

Even a strong positive has to start as a faint positive at some point though. It might be very early days.
On the other hand, a piece of tissue hanging on would explain the lack of period. This happened with my very first miscarriage and a grape-like object was visible on the scan, which eventually came out by itself (having clung on through 2 ERPCs). If this is the case, at least you're now going to get it sorted, as it could have gone on and on like this.
Will they do a blood test?

I don't believe so, they didn't do a blood test any other time. Drives you crazy, this process, doesn't it?! And OH is being about as interested as he usually is, so no support there either.

I can well imagine! My DH didn't come for a single scan in this last pregnancy, except for the one to confirm the demise of his offspring, nor to my ERPC (he dropped me off at the hospital) as he was 'too busy'.
Yes, definitely drives you mad.
Interesting about the tests they use being only 30miu. My EPAU said theirs were very sensitive but I didn't believe them at the time. My sister works in sexual health and they use the 25 ones.

Morning all! Have been lurking on here reading everyone's news since returning from turkey last week.
pebbles I am so pleased for you, I will be keeping everything crossed for you. I personally won't be bothering with hcg tests as I think it can cause more panic when you already feel stressed.

duggs pleased you are still hanging in there and pupo.
Well done to the other ladies who are having good scans too.

I can't remember who was asking about AMH levels but my low level of 0.57 sent me into a state of panic in April which made me rush into an ivf cycle. I couldn't understand it as I had fallen pregnant so fast before this result. Anyway, Mr Ndukwe at Zita West told me that most clinics no longer use it as it is unreliable. So whoever it was, don't worry as you should go by the Fsh and lh tests done on day 3.

Talking of panic, that's exactly what I have been doing this morning as I was drinking lots of cocktails and vodka on holiday plus over the weekend and then got a bfp this morning. Worried I may have done some damage as it was the first time since the termination that I stopped worrying about conceiving. Just goes to show you that relaxing does help. It was our first month of trying on letrozole.
Going for intrallipids at zita west this afternoon and then I am on 20mg prednisolone, 40mg clexane, 400mg cyclogest and 500mg calcium tablets. I was on 40mg preds before so wondering whether to keep to that or go with 20mg that ZW prescribe. I also have to stop low dose aspirin!

Haven't read sues post as just had 9 wk scan and no heartbeat. Fetus only 7 wks devastated

duggs I can't believe it, I am so so sorry. Was just thinking about you. Wish I could change things for you. Xxxx

Oh Duggs I'm so sorry. I know you were really worried but I was so hoping this would all be ok for you. Look after yourself.

Sue whispered congrats to you. If it makes you feel any better, in the time between conception and bfp, I had my first big night out in ages where I drank several pints, several shots and a triple vodka and coke (thanks DH) one weekend, then the following weekend had a v large pimms at Wimbledon, and a bottle of red wine the following night. Relaxed doesn't quite do that justice. And all looks fine so far :)

The main thing I'll say to both of you is that all we can know for sure is if it's meant to be it's meant to be. We can't control any of it.

Oh fab news sue you deserve this to work out x

duggs I'm so sorry.

Oh duggs I'm so sorry, god what a sh*tty thing to have to go through again :(.

sue Another whispered congrats - and you know what? Look at all those women who stuff McDonald's, drink and smoke - and still churn out babies by the dozen. I doubt very much that your indulgences would have had any effect at all, relax, you deserved it! :)

Oh duggs really sorry. I was crossing everything that this was going to be the one for you. Big hugs to you.

I'm seriously thinking of other options as I have no idea what is wrong with me/us? Egg donor / sperm
Donor/ surrogacy ?? What is next step I wonder? Breezy did you have egg donor I can't remember?

duggs I am still inclined to think its a numbers game and that you will get there. Were you on any drugs to support this pregnancy? The odds of having a healthy pregnsbcy and baby are improved using a young egg donor so it depends if you can keep waiting using your own? If I didn't have my dd I would think about trying it.

I am getting lower back ache at the moment so not a good sign. You would think that seeing as this is pregnancy number 9 I would remember the early preg symptoms or if I am about to have a chemical. I am in the train up to zita west at the moment even though I am not getting my hopes up. Just glad I do have some eggs left - bah to amh levels!

Btw I was drinking lots of Turkish vodka on holiday, not just a few glasses in the evening as was taking full advantage of being all inclusive. When I was pregnant last year with scarlet I went on a big night out for my birthday a few days before I got a bfp so maybe vodka helps me with implantation?! I also seem to remember going to a masons do and getting drunk before I knew I was preg with dd.

duggs what does your DH say? I think I would look at egg donor and then make a decision. I can pass on details of my friend who has two children via donation if you want to talk to anyone who has experience.

We were ready to give up and I was just getting used to having one child. I didn't want to test today as knew all the old feelings would return. It was a year ago last Friday that I had my awful 20 week scan so I have been thinking a lot about scarlet this weekend.

duggs I can imagine you are looking to the future and next steps. I think it is the only thing that keeps me sane!
No I used my own eggs for this cycle. It wasn't even mentioned to try DE at my consultations, but possibly if this one didn't work/ hasn't worked then who knows what they would suggest if we tried again.
This pg has been supported so far with 3 IVIG infusions and 2x400mg of cyclogest a day. I suppose I'll know how things are in there this time tomorrow! Not counting any chickens though.
I know you had done TCM with this pg. Were you on any western medications too?