Assisted conception after recurrent miscarriage

[duggs1976]

Hey super ovulators and those struggling with infertility after miscarriage this is where we are! Come on over ...

brown you are right they don't say how many go full term at 8 weeks it could go either way, creat also said they had people with my level amh 'get pregnant' not 'have a baby' there is a difference

ari I might have half a bottle of co enzyme q10 if you want them, I can have a check when I get home,

sorry for the crap posting i'm on my phone

Thanks ladies gee they are expensive but do we're dhea and in fact all of this is expensive!! I think mine were just holland and Barrett if I can find them...I've got the randine Lewis book it's v good and I find I always look at them all over and over x

Of all the pills I have I can't find q10! I could set up a stall b6, you name it i have it... Apart from q10!

By the way, Ari, it's strange, but lately I have been coming round to your way of thinking about donor eggs. It's just suddenly sunk in that this really is the limiting factor. My body would work properly if it wasn't for the crap eggs (with a bit of help from pred). I don't think I really appreciated that before; I kind of thought everything aged equally. Not that I'm going to go down that route, as I haven't got the money for any kind of IVF.

... And also getting pregnant with donor eggs gets round that inexplicable feeling of shame I feel about not being able to get pregnant. Which is total madness, but it's always there. Does anyone else have that? My DS starts school today, and I've always found school excruciating because everyone always asks if you've got other kids, and/or are waiting for you to give them some news. The ladies at my son's preschool used to monitor my belly, I swear it! I almost feel like telling people that I'm older than I really am, just so that they don't expect any pregnancy news. But of course I am and always will be very grateful that I get to go to the school gates at all; at school you don't see all the other ladies who are excluded from that experience, only all those fecund creatures with their enormous broods.

Ohh brown. Even if you could try to save up for Greece or Czech how long would that take do you think ?

brown I have never felt ashamed about having donor eggs, and I've pretty much told everyone I don't care what other people think about it or if they gossip about me leaving it too late etc etc, those who know me know the truth about how we got to this stage, for me it wasn't the journey but getting to the destination which is having a baby. We only had money for one shot at IVF, I would have liked to have tried with my own eggs but I had better odds with someone elses, I don't ever regret the decision but admit it was hard, I know when I hold my baby the fact she doesn't have my DNA won't make me love her any less.

It is a big decision that you have to feel comfortable with, for us the whole cost including travel treatment accommodation food etc cost us £5200, there maybe cheaper way of doing it if your husband went over and did his bit, then you could go over for ET, that would cut down on accommodation costs

Buzzy, I think what you've done is brilliant. You will get to hold your baby, and if I carry on the way I'm going, I probably won't. And as you say, that is the important thing.
I could probably have that saved in 6 months... I've got over 3k. And from my husband's point of view, it would be no worse than ordinary IVF as the baby would still be his. But he's really anti any IVF. I've only just managed to get him on board with trying again naturally after the last miscarriage. He's actually got about 40k saved himself but he would never ever dream of spending a penny of that on fertility treatment. Sigh. How many embies did you have put back?

Hey ladies just having a catch up and wanted to say thanks for your messages. Am currently stuck in limbo land as hcg still slowly rising, had it tested through my doctors on Monday and from Friday it had gone from 224 to 340 so very slow. The doctors don't seem worried and just said have another blood test in two weeks!! Phoned New Life as cant just sit around waiting that long and didn't know if to carry on with meds, spoke to a different nurse and she seemed surprised as to what had been advised to me on the Friday and was surprised not booked in for a scan as she said there is still a small chance this could be ok(obviously very, very small!!). She said because my levels were initially high they can slow down so carry on with meds and have scan Monday. Is doing my head in, Ari I think your situation was similar with low rising hcg and being stuck in limbo??

Also not sure it is worth paying out for progesterone shots for a failing pregnancy so asked NewLife if I could just use cyclogest but she said I should stick with the gemstone?!

Apologies for a totally 'me' post and I hope everyone else is ok.

Btw is very interesting re the donor eggs and good for you Buzzy. It's all about doing what is best for you and what you are comfortable with. Might be a route for us to look at after using our frostie.

Brown I understand that feeling if shame and my body constantly failing just makes me feel useless! We really shouldn't feel like that as not our fault obviously but is very hard all the same.

Glad to hear from you Pebbles, and it sounds more hopeful than it was last week at least. Torture, I'm sure though. How many dpo/weeks are you now? I would most definitely carry on with the treatment until you're able to have a scan and see what's what.
Re. the progesterone, I was just reading about day 14 progesterone levels predicting good pregnancy outcome in IVF. Their conclusions were that taking exogenous progesterone made little difference to outcome and that good pregnancies had naturally higher endogenous levels which could be used to predict which were going to be successful. Your levels were good when you had them done, weren't they? So from that, I would say you might as well go for the cheaper option, since it's probably not doing much anyway.

pebbles So sorry you are in limbo land, big hugs and fingers crossed fro you

brown all your DH has to do is have a wank if he didn't want to go over there he could have it sent but that will add to the cost, its a pity that he wouldn't help pay for it, my husband and I both paid money for fertility treatment and my inlaws chipped in with the IVF

I have the view that the body is a failing organ in general some bits work some bits don't, I don't think fertility is given enough importance and I think infertility is alot higher than is recognised sadly

I also have alot of friends who don't want kids and actually now know alot more RL friends have had fertility issues,

brown interesting about the progesterone, when mine was tested it was only 22 at 31 days dpo, I too have heard that extra progesterone does not do much but I still took it all :)

Thanks so much for the quick reply Brown and the info. Personally I don't think it would make any difference to the outcome so think I will ignore NL and stick with cyclogest. I am 5wks+2 today, thinking I might serif doctors will refer me to Epu for scan as NL charge £150 and I was treated at my Epu two years ago form/c so they must have my details.

pebbles Aarrgghh I so feel for where you are now - yes, I also had the slow rising hCG. However, I know at least two other ladies (and I know their whole stories) who had the same thing and their pregnancies have progressed fantastically, so there is definitely still hope. I haven't got an opinion on the progesterone, I was taking cyclogest rather than gestone and I know several ladies who were completely successful with cyclogest. As to the scan, my EPU told me if I'd just phoned them directly and told them I had done IVF and now had low slow rising hCG they would have scanned me anyway - remember with IVF there is a greater chance of ectopic, so they want to be able to rule that out. I really hope this one is fighter and stays the course!

brown Ah yes, I have the same thing - an OH who has the money to pay but just won't. :( With regard to donor eggs, once I'd researched epigenetics I realised it just doesn't matter whose was the original cell - it would be my body that determines a lot of which genetic switches are turned on or off. Plus if you were to look at my DD you would be forgiven for thinking she's not my child as she looks nothing like me. It's a very personal choice, obviously, but I think the same as buzzy - once you've felt your baby as he or she grows inside you, and then have him or her in your arms, you really won't care less where that first cell came from.

I meant to say, the EPU told me I didn't need to be referred by the GP, I could just ring them myself. Hopefully it will be the same for you pebbles.

Pebbles I agree with the ladies -( slightly too mucho net grabbing at NLC for my liking) and really this pregnancy may not be text book doubling but you have google a scan is what you need at EPU get in there ASAP honey. As for donor eggs I'm fascinated and if def an option I have been looking at. Thanks for info and prices buzzy. X brown im thinking 6 mths get enough £ and off you trot for a holiday with donor sperm too if partner not interested. (Maybe speaking out of turn) but reckon will be thing of the norm in 10 yrs time x

Net grabbing =money

I agree pebbles get a scan elsewhere. I just ring my epu too. Hoping it all turns out positive for you. It's rising At least but must be awful limbo for you xx
I never thought I'd even need Doner eggs but now I'm not so sure. I don't know if hubby would go for that :/ x
Ordered q10 :)
Back to Work:(

Just had scan a scan at EPU and all they can see is a very small fluid filled area but to early to see if it is a gestational sac or not which she said is all you would expect to see with my levels of hcg so incomclusive st this stage.Just waiting to see the doctor as to what happens next.

pebbles Sorry yo are still in limbo, big hand hold

Aw pebbles ill hold the other hand!x

Brown was reading this and thought of you !

www.fertilitychinesemedicine.com/testimonials.htm

How is pebbles doing? Did you see a doctor? Did they take Another HCG reading? X