Frankie Boyle on Down Syndrome - horrific

[Lymond]

interesting blog post from a mother of a DS daughter who was blasted by a 5-10 minute diatribe containing all the old stereotypes about people with DS at a Frakie Boyle show. I'm turning off any TV show he's on in future.

blog here

Grauniad article on it here

TheShriekingHarpy imo you are wrong.
you seem to be under the illusion that DP just posts on a thread and gets a bashing, do you read her post's.
why should people stand by and let her go unchallegend, she could quite easily start her own thread and then she could talk to people who actually want to discuss her vile views with her. instead she hijacks an existing thread and turns it into a look at me thread.

By daftpunk Tue 13-Apr-10 12:07:09
No I'm not, you are...you can't ban jokes about downs syndrome without banning jokes about anyone who may have a special need...and that could be anything form dyslexia to being a bit thick..to having a limp..... it is a grey area and you need to lighten up..

my reason for copying and pasting this post is simple, DP has chatted to me loads on mN(we used to get on until she stabbed biggitdad in the back) and she is well aware that I have a severely disabled child.so telling me to lighten up to me is downright stupid.
she is well aware that a lot of people who post on this thread and others like it live lives that are blighted by discrimination yet she gets her kicks by trying her best to hurt us. so imo she is a troll and a nasty one.
but I will never leave a thread or mn because of nasty characters like her. but I do hope her supporters actually take the time to read her posts and then realise what they are supporting.

What happened with bitgitdad? I missed that one.

biggitdad sounds like a character out of Viz. Will start searching to find out more.

I'm sorry, I have not read the whole thread. I gave up when it started being less about the topic.
I think FB was clearly out of order, he knew he was being offensive and when he saw the blogger's discomfort he pushed the issue. He wanted to humiliate her. Thank goodness it backfired on him.

In her blog the lady pointed out that she wanted people to realise that the stereotypes were inaccurate. I think she made her point very well and I'm glad her blog has received a load of publicity. It might not damage FB's gig numbers but at least the stereotype has been challenged.

Daftpunk oh dear, I don't know if saying this will make any difference but I hope so.
I suspect all the very generous posts you received on that thread asking people to 'say something nice about someone they disagreed with' inflated your ego disproportionately. Gave you licence if you will.

I actually agreed with the comments you received but I wish you would reign it in though.

I mean this "2 of my cousins have died of drugs o/d.... but I would never complain about people making jokes about druggies..... " is not a well thought out argument is it? You cannot compare drug addicts to children with down's syndrome, it just makes you look a bit silly imho.

Except that DP sometimes portrays herself as a faux ingenue - 'oh I'm so ignorant about these things, you'll have to tell me more' - and then rides roughshod over those who try to explain/elucidate her. She's simply not interested in changing her views - indeed, her views are seemingly more entrenched and extreme now.

The faux ingenue act is the worst thing about all this imo.I can't bear her little band of 'support' either I understand the right to say your bit and do support that but there are ways and means and if you have extreme views you generally only need to tell people once not twist any thread round to enable you to start a bigoted rant.DP knows what she's doing she is an attention seeker and she does get it.As someone else said she should just start a thread if she wants to discuss the BNP and how her catholic faith supports her views.Then people can choose to engage or not

Stabbed BGD in the back...? when was that 2shoes....tell me

....you can't say something like that and run away.

Whenever there is a thread about rights people come on with the whole rights come with responsibilities argument (*). The responsibility IMO is not to use free sdpeech in a way that can cormalise bad treatment of the most vulnerable groups in our society- and the disabled is one group that will always have memebers without a voice. Quite literally.

• I am not so sure; the theory takes rights away from those who cannot take the responsibilities- perhaps I am of the 'yes but socirty holds the responsibility for the rights of children and the disabled (and other voiceless people)' because we have all been children and we all want assurance of decent living if the worst happens to us or a loved one.

People say lighten up but it is only a week since my sn son spent time in hospital after a child hurt him (again) as he is vulnerable

Those attitudes come from somewhere: anything that normalises them is bad news

Peachy.....This is (or was) about Frankie Boyle...(before it all went chicken oriental), I think he's funny, I think he should be allowed to say what he likes, I think we should all be able to say what we like...I'm a libertine....

If I don't like something, I'll say so, if I find jokes about disabled people funny....I'll laugh..

If I want to support the BNP...I will

If I think Rod Liddle is brilliant.... I'll say so.... >

When did I ever say you an't DP

OTOH you saying that in such an aggressice tone makes it osund as if you sound I shouldn't be able to satte my views?

(But I do think youa re reneging on your responsibility to society by verbalising the beliefs you hold in all truth, yes. I think that people who loudly voice views such as the ones you hold are partly responsible for a society that allows for so many people with LD to be targeted (will get stats in a minute, some on another thread), kids like ds1 to get injured, people with sn quite able to work struggle to find employment because who want to work with them yet nobody wants to pay them benefits either.....)

Stats from amberlight on anohter thread this weekend:

' From the www.cps.gov.uk/publications/docs/CPS_hate_crime_report_2009.pdf we learn this:

Race and religious hate crime - successful prosecutions 2008-9 9,576

Disability hate crime - successful prosecutions 2008-9 299

There are over 10 million people in the UK who have a recognised disability.

Just under half that number are of an ethnic minority group.

A report by the cerebral palsy charity Scope found that nearly half of all disabled people - that's an estimated 5 million people - had either experienced physical abuse or witnessed the physical abuse of a disabled friend. Those with autism or learning difficulties are four times MORE likely to be victims of hate crimes than people with other disabilities.

And 299 people got prosecuted successfully for any of it in that year.

That's how we as a society treat those who are often the most vulnerable. Sobering, eh. We think we're generally civilised, but are we?

I'm helping the Crown Prosecution Service to change some of this, & have got them working with the National Autistic Society to help get really good quality training and information to police, judges, prosecutors, victim support etc etc. The lack of knowledge of disability safety and needs was something they say they really want to change. Good. '

Yes LL, I always read Lenin's posts wrt to DP and think how reasoned Lenin sounds.

Riven, you know I wouldn't...I have told you that at least twice before on this thread.

Stop seeing what you want to see....